Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[marks]

So who died? Someone did. Do you know who?

Not David.

Plain and simple.

No games.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Not David.

Plain and simple.

No games.

His baby that was conceived by Bathsheba died.

Sins unto death will get their due.

David's repentance was accepted.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

There are two types of sin, but you don't recognize that because you've been taught a dumbed down version of "sin is sin."

I know what the Bible says about the two types of sin you are talking about and what changed concerning those two types with the appearing of Christ in this New Covenant. It's impossible to deny what I showed you it says.

 

[marks]

His baby that was conceived by Bathsheba.

Sins unto death will get their due.

David's repentance was accepted.

That's called moving the goalposts. Your "sin unto death" means someone else's death? But then, that's what Jesus did, dying for us. David's baby did not die for our sins.

 

[ProDeo]

ecumeincalism is gonna end this generation .
Cause all its unity does is flap its lips about judge not
and allows even those who not only support sins to remain
but even those who preach a false inclusive gospel . seems this generation is more worried
about trying to keep the peace and fellowship under a false unity , THAN it is
even about the keeping of the one true gospel .
I dont think JESUS , paul or john were worried about trying to keep the peace
and keep the unity with ANYONE who taught a false gospel . Fact is they said LET them be accursed .
Fact is john said dont even let them in your house or BID them god speed .
yes , it seems to me that many , their god is the ecuemeincal inclusive one .
And that god is totally unable to save them . Just a friendly reminder .

I am sorry, I don't see Ecumenism, only division.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I know what the Bible says about the two types of sin you are talking about and what changed concerning those two types with the appearing of Christ in this New Covenant. It's impossible to deny what I showed you it says.

God doesn't change about sin. John Calvin is not God. And the New Covenant is where I found the two types of sin. Then I found it originated in the Old Covenant. Judge, it seems you know Calvinism, but not the Bible. Let me help you. I know the true gospel and it is really very simple. Calvinism can lead someone to treating sins unto death as sins not unto death; and past sins are taken away from our conscience, not past, present and future sins unto death. Only unintentional sins not unto death are forgiven in the present and future, NOT willful lawlessness. Willful sins committed based on someone's belief in OSAS is heresy, and frankly, of the devil. The errors in Calvinism have mostly to do with sin. Like, "sin is sin." Mortal and venial sins are not even close to being the same.

 

[amigo de christo]

I am sorry, I don't see Ecumenism, only division.

I have an idea pro deo how about we meet in the middle .
I am quite happy to be divided out from ecumeincism . Now to the trenches one and all . This sheep aint looking back my friend .

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

God doesn't change about sin.

Wrong.
Here's where God did change about sin:

Acts 13:38-39
38Therefore be it known to you⁺, men, brothers, that through this One forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you⁺. 39And in Him everyone believing is justified from all things from which you⁺ were not able to be justified in the law of Moses.

That's a change about sin.

And the New Covenant is where I found the two types of sin. Then I found it originated in the Old Covenant.

You err because you define 'sin unto death' in 1 John 5:16 to include the sin that God said is no longer unto death in this New Covenant.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Judge, it seems you know Calvinism, but not the Bible.

I know enough about Calvinism to know you are not representing it accurately.

Your private war against Calvinism is actually a war against Free Grace doctrine, not Calvinism. That much I know. Calvinism agrees with you that one cannot sin themselves unto death because they are born again and have the seed of God within them. You don't realize your misguided and determined effort to strip 1 John 3:6-10 of it's Calvinistic OSAS meaning actually defends and affirms it.

Free Grace doctrine is the doctrine that teaches a born again person can purposely and deliberately sin all they want and they will remain saved. Calvinism affirms 1 John 3:6-10, as you do, that a born again person can't and won't do that.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Only unintentional sins not unto death which are forgiven in the present and future, NOT willful lawlessness. Willful sins committed based on someone's belief in OSAS is heresy, and frankly, of the devil.

You don't seem to realize that Calvinism teaches that the person who sins willfully is showing themselves to not be born again. That is completely consistent with 1 John 3:6-10. So no argument is being made in Calvinism that a born again person can willfully sin and be OSAS. Free Grace doctrine makes that argument, not Calvinism. The willfully sinning person in Calvinism is not born again to begin with for him to somehow be OSAS.

 

[ProDeo]

I have an idea pro deo how about we meet in the middle .
I am quite happy to be divided out from ecumeincism . Now to the trenches one and all . This sheep aint looking back my friend .

You are worried, and with reason.

Take care.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I know what the Bible says about the two types of sin you are talking about and what changed concerning those two types with the appearing of Christ in this New Covenant. It's impossible to deny what I showed you it says.

Please show me again, because I don't recall you proving anything you believe with Scripture.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That's called moving the goalposts. Your "sin unto death" means someone else's death? But then, that's what Jesus did, dying for us. David's baby did not die for our sins.

Think what you like about it. David repented before the birth. Death came to David's house. God was just.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That's a change about sin.

No, its a change in the Law.

Free Grace doctrine is the doctrine that teaches a born again person can purposely and deliberately sin all they want and they will remain saved. Calvinism affirms 1 John 3:6-10, as you do, that a born again person can't and won't do that.

That's good to know. Why doesn't Calvinism include 1 John 3:5? You believe only the guilt of sin is taken away, not sin from the sin nature. Don't you believe Jesus leaves the sin nature in tact? That's the "old man" of Romans 6:5-7 and it is crucified, and resurrected brand new.

 

[Anchorite]

1 John 1:8-10 is how to become a Christian in the first place. You must first recognize your sin, then confess it. Verse 10 should have given you that hint when you realize this person is saying they were born without sin having never sinned in their life....according to them. The three verses that begin with the key word "say" are lying. Not because their sin was taken away by Christ, but because they broke commandments and said they didn't. Look at 1 John 2:4 "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." In verse 9, having been cleansed of all unrighteousness, it would not be a lie to say so.

John is using a Hebrew/Semitic writing style and in this case of contrasting Light vs. Darkness. Verses 6, 8 and 10 are all in Darkness. Where 5, 7 and 9 are all verses of Light.



THINK!!! Stop believing the foolish doctrines of man.

Totally wrong.

1 John 1 is about “we”, believers in Christ, who are saved, born again.

We do not get saved by confessing our sins. You could never remember them all.

We get saved by confessing Jesus as Lord.



Romans 10:9-13

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 John 1:6-10

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Lizbeth]

"Salvation" didn't originate out of the beginning of the Reformation did it? I'm referring to mutations such as "sin is sin" and "OSAS" and "past, present and future sins," that were never even heard of before by the Apostles. These are doctrines of men and demons. Even in the dark ages the church knew the difference between sins unto death they called mortal sins, and sins not unto death they called venial sins. Now because they were trying to change anything and everything from the RCC they took the unscriptural root of making up their own nonsense.

I didn't say the gospel of salvation originated with the Reformation, but that they restored it after the RCC had silenced and suppressed it for a very long time.

I've noticed that whenever doctrine becomes enshrined or encapsulated in extra-biblical terminology it misses the mark......it leads to wrong concepts being set up in the mind......false doctrine. The bible doesn't talk about mortal and venial sins. And there IS a sense in which sin IS sin, in that it all leads to separation from God. Sin is missing the mark and falling short of the glory, it is going our own way instead of God's. And ALL have sinned, even if not in what we consider to be the big ways ("mortal" sins).....it nevertheless led to death and separation from God in every instance, according to God's word.