Christianity is NOT Derived From Judaism

[Rhetro]

My my how faulty of a premise you chose to speak.

Check your heart today, it just took a wrong turn.

That’s not an argument.

Did the Bible fall out of the sky? Who decided the list of books of the Bible?

 

[David in NJ]

That’s not an argument.

Did the Bible fall out of the sky? Who decided the list of books of the Bible?

How is it that you do not know?

 

[amigo de christo]

This is true but only 1/3 of the STORY/TESTIMONY/TRUTH

Do you know what the 2/3 of the STORY/TESTIMONY/TRUTH

My my how faulty of a premise you chose to speak.

Check your heart today, it just took a wrong turn.

 

[Wick Stick]

I wonder if he’ll humble himself, admit his sin and ask for your forgiveness?

Alternately, he could double down and re-quote the same text with the same deceptive modification.

Also, not enjoying his weird quasi-sexual insults. I think I might be out on this one.

 

[amigo de christo]

Alternately, he could double down and re-quote the same text with the same deceptive modification.

Also, not enjoying his weird quasi-sexual insults. I think I might be out on this one.

When folks cling to either politics and religion , friend it never bodes well .
As for me i shall cling to CHRIST and remain diligent n the scriptures .

 

[Wick Stick]

So funny! In the other thread I'm accused of being way too masculine.

To @Wick Stick you invoke the same insult of the day.

I think... somebody found a new phrase, and now they need to work it into every conversation.

 

[amigo de christo]

How is it that you do not know?

Many there are my friend . Men gonna do and men gonna beleive as they beleive and love as they love
and hope as they h ope .
Sheep Gonna Follow Christ believing all things in the scriptures and testing all men against the scriptures .
When men cling to institutions , or politicians , or etc
Their trust is in men . Any institution is capable of starting out good and ending up worse and worse .
This people trusts in what they call the church , far more than the one true GOD , HIS CHRIST and his words .
Tis why when their leaders change things , they often just go with the flow .
YES , even the greek orthodox , IT AINT so orthodox my friend .
They are an off shoot of the same RCC they divided out from in the great schism .
The RCC was heavy on the crusades and that was the last straw that made the eastern greek orthodox to remain .
Friend the error of the RCC was long before that date .
I seen it as far back as when constantine was about and probably before even that .
The kicker is , they split
but if we aint a part and we split from error , its the same accusation that we are not in the true church .
JW , RCC , greek orthodox and others literally have no idea .
THEY TRUST IN AN INSTIUTION they BELIEVE is the CHURCH
but upon simple examination had , the errors are there for all to see .
Even a normal church can start out good and in time can go down hill .
The problem with man , has always been man . THERE is no man that is infallible
and there is no instituion of men that is
infallible either . EVEN paul warned men would come in and make desciples of men .
These people trust in THEIR SYSTEM . ME i TRUST IN GOD , IN CHRIST , and in that BIBLE I WILL remain
and be testing all men against what is written . I suggest all do the same .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Israel of the Bible is NOT the Israel of today. The Church is Israel.

Pattern recognition is not hate.

You’re not praying for anyone, your fake piety signaling is garbage.

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that is the most dog ugly photo i ever seen .

 

[amigo de christo]

How is it that you do not know?

He done bought the bait .
So allow me some words .
WHO faithfully recorded torah and would later
copy and recopy torah and the prophets . WHY THE JEWISH scribes did .
But tell me WAS GOD well pleased with them religious leaders .
NO sir .
This man acts like just cause somone gave us a bible
it means automatically the instituion and its leaders are THE TRUE leaders .
NO sir . Not by a long shot is that mindset true .
God allowed men to put together the scrips . IT dont mean TRUST THOU in such men
and etc . Even joel osteen can say THIS is the bible and etc
BUT DO HE HEED IT . NO SIR .
NOR D OES THE RCC . NOR does teh GREEK orthodox and scores of others .
I see much they twisted and even brought in blasphemous things .
But they want me to call that THE CHURCH . nope .
THIS is the church . Every sheep , whether jew or gentile WHO beleives on JESUS .
Institutions often fall into deep leaven . Its not the instituion we trust .
ITS GOD , HIS CHRIST and oh yeah we staying GLUED to the scriptures .

 

[Davy]

More anti-semitism. Jesus was born a Jew under the law and is the Jewish Messiah. There is no evidence he ever stopped being Jewish.

John 4:22 salvation is from the Jews.

You obviously don't understand your Old Testament history about the tribe of Judah and the Jews.

When Lord Jesus said that in John 4:22, He was referring to TRUE JEWS OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL. The word Jew originally came from the name of the tribe of Judah. Those are who it first pointed to in God's Word.

BUT LATER... foreigners began to creep in among the Jews (tribe of Judah), like the CANAANITES and IDUMEANS OF ESAU, and KENITES OF CANAAN. And they also... took the name Jew, even though they were NOT of the seed of the tribe of Judah.

The scribes who were with the Pharisees that followed Jesus around seeking to accuse Him, were FOREIGNERS of the Kenite peoples of the land of Canaan (1 Chronicles 2:55; Genesis 15:19). They claimed... to be Jews, but were not. And they were in charge of keeping the letters of God's written Word from generation to generation.

Same thing with the Canaanite bondservants which Israel was not able to destroy per God's commandment when they entered into the land. Those bondservants worked their way into the temple and into the priesthood. They also claimed to be JEWS and would become the main religious leaders of Israel.

Thus the title of JEW eventually began to be used simply for those who followed the Jew's religion, which began to creep in when those false Jews began creeping into the priesthood and scribe position, and sitting in Moses' seat of the law.

Matt 23:2
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
KJV

This means...

1. there are TRUE JEWS OF THE SEED
2. and there are FALSE JEWS NOT OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL

In Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, Lord Jesus remarked about those Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" who CLAIM TO BE JEWS, but are NOT.

Lord Jesus Christ was born a Jew of the SEED OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH. That means a TRUE JEW OF THE SEED.

Jesus said He has told us all things. This matter is written of throughout His Word, but your most likely not going to hear about it in today's Churches. Preachers coming out of seminary are taught to stay away from any Biblical topic that may seem controversial. This matter isn't controversial, it is God's Word as written. And that's why I teach it, and I am not a pastor, not at least in the eyes of this world.

 

[Davy]

None of that matters. If you're worshipping the Jewish God and following a Jewish Messiah and reading the Hebrew scriptures and practicing sacraments derived from Jewish rituals, your religion is derived from Judaism. That is a historical fact, and nothing changes it.

Do you think you're too good to associate with those sinners and tax collectors like the Jews? You're doing just what they did. Jesus showed you a better way. Now stop it. Repent of your pride and your prejudices!

I have friends that are TRUE JEWS OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL. So you just don't know what the heck you are talking about.

But I will NOT hang out with the FALSE JEWS who lie, and CLAIM TO BE JEWS, WHO CLAIM JUDAISM IS NOT FULL OF CORRUPT TRADITIONS OF MEN LIKE JESUS SHOWED.

 

[Lambano]

I have friends that are TRUE JEWS OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL.

This theme seems to be coming up again like a bad burrito. To you, what does it mean to be a "True Jew"?

"A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God" (Romans 2:28-29).

 

[Wrangler]

You obviously don't understand your Old Testament history about the tribe of Judah and the Jews.

Obviously, we disagree.

This means...

1. there are TRUE JEWS OF THE SEED
2. and there are FALSE JEWS NOT OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL

Lots of words have more than one sense. Reading Romans 2 this morning. Different sense of Jew is used in that one chapter. I support Israel and the Jews in every sense as I’ve already said: racially, politically and theologically.

One tactic anti-semites use is to create a Strawman; that the word only applies to DNA sequences, descendants of one of Jacob’s children.

 

[Davy]

This theme seems to be coming up again like a bad burrito. To you, what does it mean to be a "True Jew"?

You are only speaking of what Paul said which is in the 'spiritual' sense, and not in the sense of a Jew born of the seed. I know why you default to that too. It's because you don't know the Old Testament histories about the children of Israel.

 

[Davy]

Obviously, we disagree.

Disagree and make up falsehoods and slanders all you like. It won't change the ACTUAL Bible history about the nation of Israel per The Old Testament Books.

But IF... you ever feel like humbling yourself, and actually crack open that Old Testament history, I suggest you start with 1 Kings 11 forward when God split the old nation of Israel into TWO SEPARATE KINGDOMS in the land, and the "house of Judah" or "kingdom of Judah" is who only became known as JEWS.

The northern ten tribe "house of Israel" were never known as... Jews. Even the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) stated that the title of JEW came from the name of the tribe of JUDAH, and was the name those who returned from the Babylon captivity used. The majority of the children of Israel, the ten northern tribes, had already been removed from the holy land PRIOR to the Jews going captive to Babylon. You would have known this IF you had actually studied your Old Testament history.

 

[Wrangler]

The northern ten tribe "house of Israel" were never known as... Jews.

Some people are stuck in stupid. I’m typing this slowly so you might find it easier to read. “Never known as” is but the first sense of a word.

Merriam Webster lists senses as they developed in chronological order. Not much of a lexicographer who denies other senses of words because they developed later.

I take it you swept aside the 2 senses “Jew” was used in Romans 2 as it doesn’t support your position. One can lead horses to water but you can’t make them think.

 

[Lambano]

It's because you don't know the Old Testament histories about the children of Israel.

And that is relevant how? If you're worshipping the Jewish God and following a Jewish Messiah and reading the Hebrew scriptures and practicing sacraments derived from Jewish rituals, your religion is derived from Judaism. That is a historical fact, and nothing changes it.

 

[Lambano]

Sheesh. Genealogies and Zionist conspiracies and modern geopolitics. Either poop or get off the potty. Just come right out and say, "I am irrationally bigoted against Jews and refuse to admit that my own religion comes from them".

 

[Lambano]

 

[Davy]

Some people are stuck in stupid. I’m typing this slowly so you might find it easier to read. “Never known as” is but the first sense of a word.

Merriam Webster lists senses as they developed in chronological order. Not much of a lexicographer who denies other senses of words because they developed later.

I take it you swept aside the 2 senses “Jew” was used in Romans 2 as it doesn’t support your position. One can lead horses to water but you can’t make them think.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Don't listen to those deceived that mock like the above because they can't do anything else when someone who has studied their Old Testament history brings subjects like this up.


By the time the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem was by itself in the land, God having already removed the northern ten tribes scattered to Assyria and the land of the Medes, the ONLY ones left in the holy land were the JEWS of the "house of Judah".

Per God's Word, the "house of Israel" AFTER God split old Israel into two kingdoms, represented ONLY the northern ten tribes, and NOT the JEWS of the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea.

That is BIBLE HISTORY 101.

Secular history by the Jewish historian Josephus who lived in the 1st century A.D. said the title of JEW comes from the tribe of Judah. He said that is the name by which those who returned from the Babylon captivity used. Those who went captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar WAS NOT THE TEN TRIBES. The ten tribes were already GONE OUT OF THE HOLY LAND BY THE TIME THE "HOUSE OF JUDAH" WENT CAPTIVE TO BABYLON.

Once again that is Bible history 101.

WHO were those of the southern kingdom "house of Judah"? They were made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and 'some' small remnants of the ten tribes which rejected Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the northern holy land. They left Jeroboam, king of Israel at Samaria whom God had given ten tribes to, and sided with the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea instead.

Again, that is Bible history 101.

Mockers like the above cannot tell you any of this because they don't know it, since they haven't studied their Old Testament history.