Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

[rebuilder 454]

You probably follow the same crazies that tried to smear mother Theresa.

The 4 main killers of mankind in the history of the planet are
Communism
Socialism
Islam
And abortion.
The democrats support all 4.

 

[ewq1938]

I still think it's before the Man of Sin revealed. Or very soon as he's being revealed.

Paul said the rapture happens AFTER he is revealed. A lot of the Church falls away in Apostasy at the timeline of the AC being active (he is a false god and they fall away to him), then a lot of the faithful church is murdered, with a small amount alive and remaining when the trib ends/Christ returns and they are raptured.

The rapture is not to make sure the church is safe from the AC and his wicked people in the trib. It's only to gather together the last ones alive to join Christ and his army for the pouring of God's wrath. The beheaded saints, the martyrs that have to wait for vengeance until their fellow brethren are killed as they were, the killings in Rev 11...all point to Christians dying in the trib.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Paul said the rapture happens AFTER he is revealed. A lot of the Church falls away in Apostasy at the timeline of the AC being active (he is a false god and they fall away to him), then a lot of the faithful church is murdered, with a small amount alive and remaining when the trib ends/Christ returns and they are raptured.

The rapture is not to make sure the church is safe from the AC and his wicked people in the trib. It's only to gather together the last ones alive to join Christ and his army for the pouring of God's wrath. The beheaded saints, the martyrs that have to wait for vengeance until their fellow brethren are killed as they were, the killings in Rev 11...all point to Christians dying in the trib.

QUOTE;
"... with a small amount alive and remaining when the trib ends/Christ returns and they are raptured"

Ahem , let's get real with a bible in hand.
Rev13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

You were saying????
NONE OF YOUR POSTRIBBER WORKBOOKS KNOW THAT PASSAGE IS EVEN IN THE BIBLE.!!!!

Your doctrine is one of MASSIVE OMISSIONS TO HOPE FOR Your trib experience.

Please read the Bible for the first time.
All you left behind die or take the mark.
"I don't care , all I care about is going through the trib"

Ok stay and see what happens.
Tear Rev 13 out if your bible, then, while in massive open air detentions, tell everyone in there, those already raptured are just deception, and your trib experience is just a speed bump, while you wait on the white horse coming, due to arrive in exactly 7 years.

Wow, massive deception.

The crowd to Noah " ha ha ha, that is not a boat, that won't save you. There is no such thing as a flood, a boat, and us not living through it".." we will be raptured AFTER THE FLOOD"
Cue belly laugh...SMH

Yep the days of Noah are here.
Jesus prophesied it vividly.

 

[rebuilder 454]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Paul warns Christians not to be misled, explaining that the day of Christ's return will not occur until there is first a great falling away and the "man of sin" is revealed. While the teaching of Jesus returning to gather His people is easy to understand, the distinct warning to "let no man deceive you" is often the most difficult part for people to grasp.

Paul's primary point is a plea for believers not to believe anyone who claims that the day of Christ is imminent or that He could return at any moment. Those who believe this risk being caught unprepared when the true Messiah returns. Remember, there will be a false messiah who will come first. We mustn’t be deceived because if we’re not careful, we’ll end up worshiping the Antichrist. (This is the great apostasy of the end times.)

Do you still find the pre-tribulation rapture theory appealing? If so, you are in a very dangerous position. This warning doesn't come from me; it comes from Paul, who cautions us to be on guard and watching out for the Antichrist. The Antichrist—Satan—will mirror exactly what you expect from Christ, using supernatural powers to deceive people, and he will arrive before the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Plot twist.
Keep "revealed" in mind.

The rapture can happen ANY MOMENT AFTER the ac is REVEALED.

SO let's say he is REVEALED tonight, and the rapture is at midnight.

Your entire argument collapses over a HONEST bible reading.

You, nor any postribber, knows what he is talking about.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The rapture will occur some time after the Jewish temple is rebuilt, and the antichrist takes his seat in it, showing that he is God (2Thessalonians 2:4) and persecuting Christian believers.

 

[rebuilder 454]

IMO:
The rapture will occur some time after the Jewish temple is rebuilt, and the antichrist takes his seat in it, showing that he is God (2Thessalonians 2:4), and begins persecuting Christian believers.

That would describe a "mid 7 yr trib" rapture.
Which is not scriptural.

 

[William Barton]

At the 7th trump ("last trump" of the seven trumps) Jesus will descend to a cloud and take up believers (1Thessalonians 4:15-17, Romans 14:16). This is the midpoint of the tribulation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

At the 7th trump ("last trump" of the seven trumps) Jesus will descend to a cloud and take up believers (1Thessalonians 4:15-17, Romans 14:16). This is the midpoint of the tribulation.

Your setting is way off.
Jesus taught a PRETRIB RAPTURE.

OK, NOW I SEE YOUR NEED TO CHANGE REV 14.
GOT IT.
( I kept wondering " why is he insistent that the Bible is incorrect about rev 14")
SMH.

I it hard to watch you guys get owned , then once shown truth, your pride keeps you in the dark.

 

[William Barton]

Your setting is way off.
Jesus taught a PRETRIB RAPTURE.

Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation." (John 16:33).
The rapture removes believers before the *great tribulation* begins.

 

[William Barton]

The temple was a large complex of buildings, fenced areas, etc. The Romans destroyed it when the Jews rebelled in 70 A.D. Jesus said there would not be one stone upon a stone, and sure enough the Romans tore it all down and cleared the area. The Gihone spring is still there, but the buildings are gone, just a field, no sign that anything was ever there at all.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation." (John 16:33).
The rapture removes believers before the *great tribulation* begins.

He DID NOT SAY; "The great tribulation is the exact same thing as the daily tribulation of the believer.

You are assuming it is.
Why?

 

[William Barton]

He DID NOT SAY; "The great tribulation is the exact same thing as the daily tribulation of the believer.

Cold, ice cold.
Hot, steaming hot.
Bad, worse.
Tribulation, great tribulation.
Got it? Get it? Good!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Cold, ice cold.
Hot, steaming hot.
Bad, worse.
Tribulation, great tribulation.
Got it? Get it? Good!

Your post said or inferred we all go through trib and so that is the same as the gt.

It is not.

 

[ewq1938]

Paul said the rapture happens AFTER he is revealed. A lot of the Church falls away in Apostasy at the timeline of the AC being active (he is a false god and they fall away to him), then a lot of the faithful church is murdered, with a small amount alive and remaining when the trib ends/Christ returns and they are raptured.

The rapture is not to make sure the church is safe from the AC and his wicked people in the trib. It's only to gather together the last ones alive to join Christ and his army for the pouring of God's wrath. The beheaded saints, the martyrs that have to wait for vengeance until their fellow brethren are killed as they were, the killings in Rev 11...all point to Christians dying in the trib.

Prophecy that Christian saints would be killed during the Great Tribulation:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath which targets Christians:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath , because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Prophecy that Christian saints would be killed during the Great Tribulation:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath which targets Christians:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath , because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

None of that is against the pretrib rapture doctrine.
In fact, if you'll take a real close. Look at revelation 13 instead of posting pieces of it, you will see that there is no believer that escapes martyrdom, in the tribulation. They are all arounded it up and killed, so you're posttrib rapture model is way way way off.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Cold, ice cold.
Hot, steaming hot.
Bad, worse.
Tribulation, great tribulation.
Got it? Get it? Good!

Your doctrine consists of one assumption after another.
Bible good.
Opinions are a dime a dozen.
Got it?
Good