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I think you need to work on your ability to use MS paint. Your chart is a mess.
I was not concerned about what it looked like. Charts are stupid by default.
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I think you need to work on your ability to use MS paint. Your chart is a mess.
Well, you need to work on learning how to use MS paint. Your post-trib resurrection/rapture view is simply invalid and your chart attempt shows it.I was not concerned about what it looked like. Charts are stupid by default.
Longer yawn.Scriptural evidence shouldn't be boring to someone.
Well, you need to work on learning how to use MS paint. Your post-trib resurrection/rapture view is simply invalid and your chart attempt shows it.
I use the Corel Paintshop Pro 2023 Ulitmate program to make my timeline charts and illustrations. I think it is much more user friendly and easier to use than the MS paint program.
I tried to use the MS paint program and found it to hard to use and could not get it to do what I wanted.
Charts are not stupid, but very useful in showing how prophecy events fit together. I suggest that you get the Corel Paintshop Pro 2023 Ultimate from Amazon. It costs around $60.
I can understand why you would get frustrated trying to make MS paint to work. I could not.
With the Corel program, you will be able to make timeline charts and illustrations without the headaches.
You have proved that you don't have the ability to make a chart. Fix your typo - paint, not word (I highlighted in red).Charts are useless because anyone can put any incorrect chronology as if it's correct, as in the case with Pretrib. Scripture alone is superior and proves Pretrib is not when the rapture occurs. BTW MS word is simple to use. I just moved your own chart around to make it correct, without caring if anything looked professional or not.

What is "the tribulation"? Assuming we are focused on end time tribulation and not the general tribulation promised to all who follow God in this world, we're given a pretty clear definition of when it starts by the Man Himself.I can agree with a lot of that...but when I stud eschatology I see Christ bride being removed prior to the tribulation.
The terminology used in the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib views is a misnomer. What is really meant by those terms is pre-70th week.What is "the tribulation"?

I'm having a hard time getting past the 4 horsemen and not considering that as part of the tribulation.The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age with the Antichrist being the thought to be messiah.
The tribulation is not 7 years long, it's explicitly started at the abomination of desolation according to Yeshua, that's in the midst of the week. If you're going to use a term that doesn't mean what the term says then it only introduces confusion. Why bother with confusion when you can just use terms that keep their meaning?The terminology used in the pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib views is a misnomer. What is really meant by those terms is pre-70th week.
The whole 70th week is not all tribulation though. For much of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age with the Antichrist being the thought to be messiah.
The great tribulation begins slightly prior to the mid-point of the 70th week, when the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup on the temple mount.
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Matthew 24123123 KJV – "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) ... For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."I'm having a hard time getting past the 4 horsemen and not considering that as part of the tribulation.
Hi CrowCross, instead of saying "part of the tribulation", say "part of the 70th week", or say "part of the 7 years".I'm having a hard time getting past the 4 horsemen and not considering that as part of the tribulation.

Hi Watchman, did you make the timeline/chart/table ?

I agree. It is best not to use the term "tribulation". Use either 70th week or 7 years instead.The tribulation is not 7 years long, it's explicitly started at the abomination of desolation according to Yeshua, that's in the midst of the week. If you're going to use a term that doesn't mean what the term says then it only introduces confusion. Why bother with confusion when you can just use terms that keep their meaning?
Also my chart does not say pre-trib. The resurrection/rapture may happen pre-trib (pre-70th week).
No, none of the end times bible passages has the church being persecuted and killed during the great tribulation.That's Pretrib. It is not biblical since the bible places the rapture after the trib has ended and all endtimes tribulation passages has the church being persecuted and killed in the trib.
No, none of the end times bible passages has the church being persecuted and killed during the great tribulation.
Revelation 3:
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.