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When bad things come on Christians, is this God's chastisement?
Is He putting evil on His people to punish them?
If so, when our children do bad things and need to be corrected should we put some bad stuff on them? Like maybe break one of their arms or something? Maybe scold them with some boiling water?
I've heard in some of the mainstream church denominations that they teach when bad things come on Christians it's because God is trying to teach them something and is trying to correct them.
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The context of that wrath we are not appointed to is the day of the Lord, the sudden destruction that those in darkness will not escape, but we are not in darkness, therefore we will escape. That day of the Lord's wrath is not the Devil's wrath, that is God's wrath coming on the whole world that the Devil is taking over during his reign through the Beast. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11
Some might say that the mystery of iniquity is already at work in the world and the children of their father the Devil are already actively murdering God's people around the world for their faith. Some may have miraculous stories of protection and provision, but the Christian should be aware that this life is temporary and eternal life is the end of the race we run. Death by the hand of the wicked is simply a moving forward of the inevitable except that Yeshua returns first.
Perhaps God has a purpose to extend protection from Satan's wrath for some, but what I see objectively in the world is the strength of faith of so many Christians that they are willing to die for His namesake and God allows them to. It will be no different during the great tribulation when the Dragon gives his power and great authority to the Beast who makes war on the saints. Some will have miraculous protection for a purpose and others will die for their faith. Those with strong faith will die for Him, those with little faith may reject Him to save their mortal lives and lose their eternal inheritance, the hour of temptation. Yeshua was tempted in the wilderness with sustenance, protection, and power and rejected it all by the Word of God. Will the temptation of mortal sustenance, protection, and power overcome those of faith? Each will make their choice whom they will serve.
RandyDawson
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Well He certain has extended His protection from satan's wrath and evil devices to me.
I'm joint heir with Christ Jesus so I can whip the devil and run him off just like Jesus did.
I just do what Jesus did when the devil attacked him trying to get Him to sin.
The devil has no defense for the Sword of the Spirit (God's Word) and the Name of Jesus!
God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12) and He's upholding all things by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3)
Standing on His Word is the place to be!
Neither the beginning or any other time than after the end of the tribulation of those days is the rapture, You challengine Christ's words.
Are you anti-Christ? You dispute what He says.
See you create an entire timeline that Jesus never did. Christ is very direct about when the time is for the rapture, and it is when He comes to judge the world on the appointed Day by God after the tribulation. You go beyond His words adding in other stuff.
What to you is the LAST DAY?
It is the Day of the Lord, Day of Christ, Second Coming, Rapture, Resurrection and judgment.
There is not a third coming of Christ taught in scriture which is what the false teachers say.
2 Peter 3 New King James Version
God’s Promise Is Not Slack
1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
All these DAYS, are the same Last DAY
Jesus Comes on that Last Day, and gathers His elect.
Matthew 13
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
The Parable of the Dragnet
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
The Day of Resurrection v16, "And the dead in Christ will rise first."
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4 - New King James Version
Plea for Purity - Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your...
The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The resurrection is on the LAST DAY! As is the great judgement at the LAST DAY!
- John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations - John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations - John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations - John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations - John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations - John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
To deny this is to deny Christ, what him and His apostle teach, you just made up your own religion, and changed His word.
Christ remains at the right Hand of God in heaven until the LAST DAY, which is His second coming
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24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are [k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 9 - New King James Version
The Earthly Sanctuary - Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; and behind the second veil, the part of...
24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are [k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Christ remains at the right Hand of God in heaven until the LAST DAY, which is His second coming
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17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 3 - New King James Version
A Lame Man Healed - Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple; who...
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:62
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Matthew 22:44
‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
1 Corinthians 15
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
Some will be wise and understand.
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:62
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Matthew 22:44
‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’?
1 Corinthians 15
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
Some will be wise and understand.
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Yeshua is the Messiah, the only begotten of the Father, I don't dispute anything He says and I would disagree that I'm challenging Christ's words. Rather, I'm taking them into account in the context in which they were given. Trying to set my words up as antichrist leaves no grace for one's honest misunderstanding of prophecy in an attempt to elevate ones own understanding as absolute, a plumb line against which everyone should agree. Could it be you are in the same avenue of misunderstanding God's Word that you accuse me? You are certainly not antichrist if you misunderstand. I will give you grace in your misunderstanding of prophecy and I will explain with scripture why I believe what I do as you can explain with scripture why you believe what you do. And if you disagree then I will agree to disagree with you and we will both find out the truth when it begins to come to pass. You're not antichrist for being wrong about it.
What tribulation did He say His coming would be immediately after? You can't just pick a notion of tribulation from your own interpretation. He explicitly labels the tribulation in Matthew 24:15-28, that unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea that is cut short. If we are given the time of the Beast's reign and the beginning of his reign is the beginning of great tribulation, then 42 months or 3.5 times can't be cut short, it's been explicitly given an exact time.
What can be cut short is the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea from which they are saved out of when it is cut short. Who saves them out of that time? How is it cut short?
Exodus 19:4 – "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."
Revelation 12:13-16 says that Israel is taken on wings of a great eagle into the wilderness, just how God brought Israel into the wilderness to Sinai to establish His covenant with them as a people. Hosea 2:14-23 speaks to how God will bring Israel back to Him in the wilderness after which they will once again be His people and He their God.
Zechariah 14:4-5 speaks of Yeshua's return to the Mount of Olives, just as He was foretold to return in Acts 1:9-11. He will split the Mount of Olives and create a valley through which those in Judea are to flee. He is giving a path of escape through the mountains for His people as Revelation 12:14-16 states and just as with the Red Sea swallowing Pharaoh's army, so will the Mount of Olives swallow the Dragon's army, allowing Israel to escape to the wilderness and be protected for 1,260 days from the Dragon.
I'm not making any of this up, it's in the scriptures and connected by supporting scripture, common symbolism, and logic.
I would agree He was very direct about the timing of the catching away of His bride, but disagree that His judging of the world only comes after the wrath of the Dragon is completed.
Revelation 19:11-14 – "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
I imagine we both agree this is Yeshua's return at Armageddon to defeat the Dragon, Beast, false prophet, and all their armies gathered against Him? Note that He is coming from heaven, I presume you see this as the only time He returns as the second coming?
Isaiah 63:1-6 – "Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth."
Note that the blood on the garments is symbolizing the carrying out of the wrath of God and it is done alone by Yeshua because He is the only one worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. Revelation 5
How did the blood get on His clothes from treading the winepress of the wrath of God if He's returning from heaven for the first time to judge the world?
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Isaiah 13:6-11 – "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces [shall be as] flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
Note the sign of the sixth seal with which Yeshua times His coming in comparison to Matthew 24:29-31. Judgement comes with Yeshua, which is when He treads the winepress of the wrath of God after the sixth and seventh seals are opened, sprinkling blood on His garments. This must happen before Armageddon because otherwise He is returning from heaven with the judgement displayed that hasn't been carried out yet. So the parousia of Yeshua means the day of the Lord has arrived and the judgement of it is shortly to follow after the seventh seal is broken.
From the perspective of the Christian, this same time is the day of Christ. Paul lays this out in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 as the coming of the Lord and our gathering to Him being the day of Christ. It's repeated in Philippians 1:10, 2:16, and 1 Corinthians 1:8 advising the Christian to remain sincere and without offense until this day and that the work spreading the Gospel be proven a worthy labor in that day because of those saved. So the parousia of Yeshua means the day of Christ has arrived for the redeemed and the dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible and caught up with the changed living to the air. 1 Corinthians 15:50-58, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
I think understanding that what we call in English the second coming comes from the Greek parousia, which speaks to an arrival and presence. Yeshua's first coming was from His conception to His ascension, a span of over 33 years in length. His second coming is not a single event, but a continued presence and interaction with mankind unlike the last 2,000 years of relationship by faith in the Spirit. No longer will man be ruling themselves, but after the period of judgement that ends with the putting down of all authority and power in the earth, Yeshua will reign from a Jerusalem built over the ashes of what is now there and the world will come to Him to worship Him.
So I would argue that Yeshua's first parousia was the span of His time interacting with man on earth to establish His kingdom and what many call the second would be better called the last parousia because He will never again stop interacting with man in a personal presence sort of way. He will rule from Jerusalem until the great white throne judgement and destruction of this heaven and earth to make way for the new heaven and earth at which time He will be in relationship with man for time without end.
But His return from heaven at Armageddon cannot be the first time in 2,000 years He has come because He is already showing the evidence of His interaction with men in their judgement by the blood on His garments, meaning He came prior to that to begin said judgement.
And it is that judgement that we as believers are not appointed to, so we are caught up before it begins, yet after the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea has begun. His return is the combination of saving Israel out of that time, cutting it short, rapturing the wise virgins to the throne in heaven, and beginning to tread the winepress of the wrath of God on the earth.
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I agree, at the sixth seal.
Matthew 24:29-31 – "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Revelation 6:12-17 – "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Isaiah 13:9-13 – "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger."
Joel 2:10-11, 30-31 – "The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp [is] very great: for [he is] strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD [is] great and very terrible; and who can abide it? ... And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."
Yeshua comes at the sixth seal and the wrath of God begins after the 1/2 hour of the seventh seal. Then the trumpets are handed to the seven angels and the wrath of God begins as led by Yeshua judging the earth. That is symbolized in the blood on His garment that is present when He returns from heaven before killing anyone gathered at Armageddon.
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Isaiah 66:15-16 – "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many."
2 Peter 3:5-7 – "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
Revelation 14:14-20 – "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud [one] sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs."
The wheat (bride) is gathered into the barn (Father's house) and the tares (wicked) are put through the fire of God's wrath. This ultimately leads to the establishment of His kingdom physically when all that offends is ended leaving only His faithful subjects in His kingdom dwelling on His land as He reigns over the whole earth.
Ultimately all those killed apart from God will be resurrected at the last resurrection of the unjust and cast into the lake of fire where hell and death are finally cast before eternity. But judgement comes before to clear the land for His kingdom starting just after His arrival at the sixth seal.
Isaiah 13:9-11 – "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
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I agree, the resurrection of the just is at the start of the last day as is the start of judgment of the day of the Lord which will end ultimately at the great white throne judgement after the 1,000 year Messianic Kingdom on earth. Revelation 20The Day of Resurrection v16, "And the dead in Christ will rise first."
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4 - New King James Version
Plea for Purity - Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your...The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The resurrection is on the LAST DAY! As is the great judgement at the LAST DAY!
Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
- John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations- John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations- John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations- John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations- John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
In Context|Full Chapter|Other Translations- John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
To deny this is to deny Christ, what him and His apostle teach, you just made up your own religion, and changed His word.
The last day is the Sabbath day of rest for the earth and the people in it when men will be forced to rest from their wicked works and be subordinate to the reign of Yeshua for 1,000 years, a day to the Lord, a day of the Lord that begins with judgement and darkness just like each day begins at dusk. The last day is the seventh millennium since creation, the Sabbath millennium, and everything begins to change when it first comes.
You think I disagree with you, but I don't. I'm quoting the same scriptures and more that you are and they all agree. It's just a different way of seeing the same thing that doesn't make it wrong, it reveals the nuance of scripture, how it was written here a little and there a little with associations and repeated themes to draw attention to truth not spelled out in one place, creating stumbling blocks for some who don't take the whole council of God into account, just picking what they prefer. That's how the Jews stumbled and closed their eyes to Yeshua. They expected one thing according to their interpretation of God's Word, but they didn't take it all into account.
Isaiah 28:9-13 – "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? [them that are] weaned from the milk, [and] drawn from the breasts. For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
I'm not denying anything, you're just not fully understanding though I'm sharing all the scriptures that lead to my conclusions. That's ok though, I'm not offended by being called antichrist because you just don't know me apart from what I tell you. I'm trying to explain and maybe I'll get there at some point. Who knows, maybe you'll reveal something about my beliefs that changes my mind from scripture. I'm willing to change in my errors when compared to scripture and I hope we all are as well.
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Matthew 24:29-31 – "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
The Son of man comes on the clouds of heaven at the sixth seal, before the wrath of God begins with the trumpets, thunders, and bowls.
Revelation 8:1-2 – "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."
The seven angels don't have the trumpets until the seals are complete. Therefore, the sixth seal cannot come after the trumpets and we know it isn't until the bowls at the very end that the armies are even gathered to Armageddon. Yeshua returns from heaven with the evidence of His treading the winepress of the wrath of God on His clothes before the sword of His mouth kills anyone, meaning His wrath came before Armageddon and since He's the only one worthy to carry out that wrath on the earth, His coming came before that depicted in Revelation 19.
After the second coming of Christ this, THE END!
Meaning the END, the end of this world, and the new earth and new heavens in which dwells righteousness. there will be no evil there, no unbelief, and no more rebellions to come.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New King James Version
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first...
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20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
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No 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth that fails with another satanic rebellion.
People that claim a 1000 yr reign on this evil earth distort the scriptures.
That 1000 years is real today in heaven...not in some distant future.
1000 years is symbolic of our reign with Christ in Heaven, and where do you suppose your spirit goes when you physically perish, it goes back to God who made it, and you are with Him forever, both now in this life, and the life to come.
Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
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