rebuilder 454
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It it true what the Bible says?
( anything apart from faith is sin?)
All your fluff aside.
Is it true?
LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU! WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
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( anything apart from faith is sin?)
All your fluff aside.
Is it true?
Yes, it is true.
:-)
The thing is, sin isn't about conforming to some list of behaviors. This is where people go wrong thinking they are to keep the Law. Some even derive a personal form of "Law" collating commands and admonitions into some sort of NT "Law", thinking that they are to monitor their actions so they can avoid breaking these commands.
The reality is that until someone is regenerated, all they have is corrupt flesh and mind from which to think and act. Because people are corrupt, all they do will be corrupt. Even things that seem to be good works will turn out to be corrupted, either performed for show, or because they think they have to, or some such.
True righteousness comes from the one who is regenerated in the Spirit, and who is allowing the Spirit to empower our lives.
There is another simple statement concerning sin much like the one you are asking about above. The good that you know to do, if you don't do it, this is sin.
And this simple statement points us in the true direction to find the source of sin, that being the heart of man. You KNOW you should do this, you KNOW you shouldn't do that, and when you go against what you know, that is wrong.
This is the meaning of "all that is not of faith is sin". This is true because "the just shall live by faith", so not living by faith is sin. It goes way beyond the OT commands, even the Sermon on the Mount doesn't go this far.
NT obedience to the faith means that we live in the same love God has for man, this is the love we are to have for others. And rather than checking the boxes, (tithed - yes, lying - no), the real question is,
Do you in fact, from your heart, love others? Are you in fact more concerned over their well being then your own? This is the real measure.
Will you sacrifice of yourself to meet another's need? This is love, and love is what moves us to do righteousness.
Ephesians 4 tells us to stop lying to each other, and instead tell the truth, since we are all members one of another. Simply stated, we are family, so act like it. If we are actually brothers, then don't be misleading, don't act like something is true if it's not.
Rather than trying to score points off of someone, rather than putting someone down so you can feel better about yourself, forget about yourself, and serve others because you love them more than you love yourself.
And if you love yourself more than you love others, go to the LORD. If you truly desire that He give you this love, seek it from Him, and you will find it.
We are to be conformed to the image of Jesus, Who gave Himself fully and completely for others, for us! Let us do the same, and leave behind the petty selfishness and bickering. Let us be known as a people who love each other. Let us be known for our sacrificial giving. Let us be known for our ability to rise above the rest.
Much love!
That we are in a state of grace!
Not salvation!
The initial Grace of justification can be increased by good works
mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18
grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6
grace can be lost by deadly sin
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
Thks
And mt 25:28:30
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Thks
Lists of verse references don't do much for me in the way of a discussion.
Mostly I find that people post the reference and not the text because they know the text doesn't actually say what they are claiming.
I'll take your very first one for an example:
Is this what Matthew 7:7 states? Or no?
Matthew 7:7 (KJV)
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
No, in fact it does not.
Let's do one more . . .
2 Corinthians 4:7 (KJV)
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Nothing here says grace is fragile and can be lost.
I'm thinking all the rest will be the same. You are making assertions, then posting lists of verse references as if they will support those assertions, but they do not, and therefore your post is deceptive.
If you are counting on your "good works" to complete your salvation, or however you would put it, mishandling God's Word isn't a good way to accomplish that. IMO.
And one final thought occurs to me . . . You post this way in the thread "Let no man deceive you", oh the irony!
Much love!
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We received the free gift of the grace of justification then we must participate and persevere to the end!
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 endures to the end shall be saved
Rev 2:10
He who overcomes I shall give the crown of life
James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will ofGod, ye might receive the promise.
Not all make it!
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
Thks
rebuilder 454
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I asked you if it was true.
I asked without all the fluff.
( knowing you could not do it)
You did not disappoint.
Your pride has you in damage control asking me if I am operating in love.
At least you now know that all sin is outside faith.
So you learned that much.
Stop trying to act like you know your bible.
Apart from Christ? Nothing
In Christ? All things
Union with Christ empowered by grace with life in the Spirit!
Dead works, virtues good in themselves have no supernatural value or merit apart from Christ!
Thks
Example
Patience:
Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Romans 5:3-5
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done they will of God, ye might receive the promise.
James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)
Never said grace was fragile
We are fragile we are the earthenware
And grace can be lost
Mt 25:28-30
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
And
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
Thks
Mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Prayer is a good work and by it we increase the grace of God
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Apart from Christ? Nothing
Jn 15:5
In Christ? Things Phil 4:13
Grace is the cause of Salvation
Good works the means of salvation
2 Corinthians 4:17
For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
Light affliction (suffering / works)
Workers ( the means of accomplishment)
Eternal weight of glory (eternal salvation)
Thks
we have to be on our guards and examine everything with scripture and most important to endure until the end, endurance is the Key
Yes indeed it is so
Those who are Of God will follow Christ, they are not antichrists.
Like when Peter sinned, Christ as His mediator and great high priest prayed for Peter, and Peter was turned back to Christ.
He does not leave us orphans, He will come to us and aid us to salvation.
Hebrews 6
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
A Better Estimate
9 But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. 10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and [d]labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 that you do not become [e]sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.God’s Infallible Purpose in Christ
13 For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. 17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the [f]immutability of His counsel, [g]confirmed it by an oath, 18 that by two [h]immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we [i]might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
You may want to revisit what I wrote.
Either our life is being lived according to flesh or according to Spirit. If you are living according to flesh this is sin. If you are living according to Spirit everyone will see the difference.
rebuilder 454
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Well, why not thank me for showing you anything apart from faith is sin?
You are the one with the full page damage control about how you are adjusting the "anything apart from faith is sin" dynamic.
Really? You don't remember your schooling me for substituting "sin" for "faith" when I recited that verse?????
Then you had to BE SHOWN that "ANYTHING APART FROM FAITH IS SIN"?
I CALLED YOU OUT for acting like you know your Bible.
You had to be corrected.
You are going on and on over nothing.
Pride is sticking out all over you.
None, who have been born again shall have everlasting physical life until Christ returns to change our mortal body to immortal and from corruptible to incorruptible when the last trumpet sounds. From the Spirit sent from Christ within, those who are born again have eternal life from the moment we believe. It is our spirit through the power of the Holy Spirit that possesses eternal life because life comes from spirit. How can we be certain this is true? Because Christ has promised that when we have been born again having His Spirit in us, He shall be with us until we receive the promise of immortal & incorruptible body of flesh.
Acts 16:31 (KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
John 3:7 (KJV) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
1Co 15:51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
All mortal bodies of flesh and blood are destined to die, but eternal life is not dependent upon having physical flesh, because life, both physical and spiritual comes not from flesh but from spirit. That's true of both physical and spiritual life, because our natural spirit gives natural physical life to our body of flesh and blood, and the Holy Spirit gives eternal life of spirit when we have been born again.
John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
This is why Christ tells us, Ye must be born again to know and enter the Kingdom of God.
JimKnox
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