LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU! WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

[rebuilder 454]

you shouldn't believe your own press. This is silliness.

Worse than silliness to change the wording of Scripture and then go on to defend your changes.

It it true what the Bible says?
( anything apart from faith is sin?)
All your fluff aside.
Is it true?

 

[marks]

It it true what the Bible says?
( anything apart from faith is sin?)
All your fluff aside.
Is it true?

Yes, it is true.

:-)

The thing is, sin isn't about conforming to some list of behaviors. This is where people go wrong thinking they are to keep the Law. Some even derive a personal form of "Law" collating commands and admonitions into some sort of NT "Law", thinking that they are to monitor their actions so they can avoid breaking these commands.

The reality is that until someone is regenerated, all they have is corrupt flesh and mind from which to think and act. Because people are corrupt, all they do will be corrupt. Even things that seem to be good works will turn out to be corrupted, either performed for show, or because they think they have to, or some such.

True righteousness comes from the one who is regenerated in the Spirit, and who is allowing the Spirit to empower our lives.

There is another simple statement concerning sin much like the one you are asking about above. The good that you know to do, if you don't do it, this is sin.

And this simple statement points us in the true direction to find the source of sin, that being the heart of man. You KNOW you should do this, you KNOW you shouldn't do that, and when you go against what you know, that is wrong.

This is the meaning of "all that is not of faith is sin". This is true because "the just shall live by faith", so not living by faith is sin. It goes way beyond the OT commands, even the Sermon on the Mount doesn't go this far.

NT obedience to the faith means that we live in the same love God has for man, this is the love we are to have for others. And rather than checking the boxes, (tithed - yes, lying - no), the real question is,

Do you in fact, from your heart, love others? Are you in fact more concerned over their well being then your own? This is the real measure.

Will you sacrifice of yourself to meet another's need? This is love, and love is what moves us to do righteousness.

Ephesians 4 tells us to stop lying to each other, and instead tell the truth, since we are all members one of another. Simply stated, we are family, so act like it. If we are actually brothers, then don't be misleading, don't act like something is true if it's not.

Rather than trying to score points off of someone, rather than putting someone down so you can feel better about yourself, forget about yourself, and serve others because you love them more than you love yourself.

And if you love yourself more than you love others, go to the LORD. If you truly desire that He give you this love, seek it from Him, and you will find it.

We are to be conformed to the image of Jesus, Who gave Himself fully and completely for others, for us! Let us do the same, and leave behind the petty selfishness and bickering. Let us be known as a people who love each other. Let us be known for our sacrificial giving. Let us be known for our ability to rise above the rest.

Much love!

 

[faithhopecharity]

What would that mean exactly?

That we are in a state of grace!

Not salvation!

The initial Grace of justification can be increased by good works

mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18

grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6

grace can be lost by deadly sin

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Those who have been regenerated can in fact become corrupt and they can come to a place where they bear no fruit having had the Word of God choked out of them - Mark 4:10-21

These people having become workers of iniquity will be removed from God's Kingdom Matthew 13:41,42

And mt 25:28:30


28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Thks

 

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That we are in a state of grace!

Not salvation!

The initial Grace of justification can be increased by good works

mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18

grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6

grace can be lost by deadly sin

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

Thks

Lists of verse references don't do much for me in the way of a discussion.

Mostly I find that people post the reference and not the text because they know the text doesn't actually say what they are claiming.

I'll take your very first one for an example:

The initial Grace of justification can be increased by good works

mt 7:7

Is this what Matthew 7:7 states? Or no?

Matthew 7:7 (KJV)
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

No, in fact it does not.

Let's do one more . . .

treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost

2 Corinthians 4:7 (KJV)
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Nothing here says grace is fragile and can be lost.

I'm thinking all the rest will be the same. You are making assertions, then posting lists of verse references as if they will support those assertions, but they do not, and therefore your post is deceptive.

If you are counting on your "good works" to complete your salvation, or however you would put it, mishandling God's Word isn't a good way to accomplish that. IMO.

And one final thought occurs to me . . . You post this way in the thread "Let no man deceive you", oh the irony!

Much love!

 

[faithhopecharity]

Sorry, but this is a clear dismissal of the promise from Christ which tells us:

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Scripture assures us that we are saved by grace through faith, and that we are being saved through the power of God working in us, and finally that whosoever has been born again shall be saved from the lake of fire that is the second death.

This promise is for whosoever has been born again, that none of them shall be lost. That's why Christ says: "Ye must be born again". Tell me how can a man that has been born again through the Holy Spirit of Christ in us be unborn? Why? Jesus tells us when we are born again we have the Holy Spirit in us, and Christ promises that through His Spirit in us, He shall be with us until we are changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 28:20 (KJV) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Sadly, you appear not to believe Christ when He promises all who have been born again are ETERNALLY secure in Him. If the life we receive in Christ when we have been born again through His Spirit in us is not forever, why does Christ repeatedly say throughout His Word our life is eternal? Do you even know what eternal means?

We received the free gift of the grace of justification then we must participate and persevere to the end!

Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 endures to the end shall be saved

Rev 2:10
He who overcomes I shall give the crown of life

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will ofGod, ye might receive the promise.

Not all make it!

Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Could you rephrase this... (supernatual virtue).... Thanks

The virtues of Jesus Christ!

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Galatians 5:4 you have fallen from grace

Paul is telling saved Jews
5:1 to stand fast where Christ has made them free.
5:2 that if they go back under the law, Christ will profit them nothing
5:4 that Christ has BECOME of no effect to you and you have fallen from grace


Only a believer can both have grace and fall from grace.....

Yes a state of grace not salvation!
Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Why would you say that?
Your accusation is not relevant to the post you are quoting.
Looks like you believe it is ok to lie.

I must ask to know where you stand? That’s all

Thks