Once saved always saved
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Taken
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Answers from Taken…
Yes.
Yes.
Improper wording.
Will Jesus Christ Save 100% of MankIND?
No.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Salvation IS a Gift.
“Getting to go to Heaven” IS the Result of having received the Gift.
One Time Event (S) to occur Once and Not Again?
Yes.
No.
No.
Yes.
Yes. For a specific “group” God gave to Christ Jesus.
Yes. Last time Event(s).
No.
Son of man (Jesus) came to Earth.
Son of man (Jesus) has not yet Returned to Earth.
Your View, Belief, Understanding …
But yet, it IS Your Understanding I contend is amiss
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
Well-Known Member
Once saved always saved
Yes.
To promote Otherwise …
By implication Promotes …
The Lord God LIED in that…
* Receipt of your Gift IS TO be KEPT by a man’s “power”.
(Which is False.)
Glory to God,
Taken
I trust you are excluding the Divine Spirit Who leads humans into all truth.
And excluding the Good Shepherd Who speaks to His sheep.
Personally I'm not interested in hearing from ministers full stop. Or anyone else for that matter. I keep it very simple. I listen out for Jesus communicating through His Spirit within me. I weaned myself off everything except for the bible decades ago.
Then I weaned myself off my dependence on the bible years ago. It became an idol to me so I repented and turned from the bible to my Divine Shepherd following and believing what He says.
I keep it simple. The Creator saves who and what He wants for whatever He wants.
He is the sovereign Scriptwriter Designer Creator and Sustainer.
I'm merely like a grain of sand, with no significance except what He give me.
And being aware of this keeps me humble and grateful.
I'm excited for what goes far beyond the limited prophecies recorded in the book of Revelations. For there were things that John saw and heard which he didn't write down.
Daniel the prophet wrote things he saw and heard but couldn't reveal it, until the time of the end.
It was revealed to me that not only 100% of humans will be redeemed and reconciled to their Maker, but every prodigal angel will be as well.
Hell being thrown into the lake of fire will not be the end of the Creator's narrative. Far from it. In fact His story will never end.
And in yet another twist in this endless story Satan will be given a throne to His Creator's left.
Doesn't this take Jesus's story of the prodigal son to a whole new level. Glory to Him whose mercy and grace endures without end.
So yes, He will redeem all creations no matter how long it takes. Because when it comes to time and patience, He has an endless supply.
once saved always saved is conditional on enduring to the end, and not having your name blotted out of the book of life.
Revelation 22,-18
19. and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The book of life is mentioned in Gods word many times. Jesus even tells us in revelation 22 that if you mess around with the prophecy of revelation you are going to be removed from the book of life. That sure sounds like you had salvation, and lost it to me.
Revelations 3,-5
5. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
In Revelation 3 we see Jesus telling us we must overcome, this is a common theme throughout the book of revelation and used 8 times! And what a harsh warning it is, if we do not over come he will blot us out of the book of life. That sure sounds like you had salvation and lost it to me. It is so important to understand. Are you ready to die for the name of Jesus or would you deny him to stay alive?
Revelation 17,-8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
And for those that think we all people start off in the book of life and if your blotted out that is not loosing salvation, in Revelation 17 we see clearly that not all people names are written in the book of life.
So my point is read the word for youself make your own decison, do not trust anyone who paints a easy path to heaven, no wear in Jesus word does he say it is easy, he tells us we must deny ourself, we must take up are cross, we must love him more then our family, that the path is narrow the way is hard and few find it. If you are not 100% commited to Jesus and his word you need to be, you are either all in are not in at all.
Do a self check to see. Do you have a personal relation ship with Jesus, is he the first person you run to when things are good, he is the first you run to when things are tough. Do you trust his word more then anything else in the world. Do a audit on your time, money, and thoughts, and you will know where your heart is. He should be in your every thought, you should be spending time with him alone, you should be producing fruit for the kingdom. Do you spend more money on pleasure and comfort and hobbies entertainment then on the kingdom. Check yourself, Jesus loves us, he will give you a new heart and spirit, but you have to be intentional with your relation ship with him, you will see God working in your life that you never thought possible.
Praise Jesus my King, he want to help us, because no way can we overcome with out him giving us the strength trust in him alone !
Revelation 22,-18
19. and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The book of life is mentioned in Gods word many times. Jesus even tells us in revelation 22 that if you mess around with the prophecy of revelation you are going to be removed from the book of life. That sure sounds like you had salvation, and lost it to me.
Revelations 3,-5
5. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
In Revelation 3 we see Jesus telling us we must overcome, this is a common theme throughout the book of revelation and used 8 times! And what a harsh warning it is, if we do not over come he will blot us out of the book of life. That sure sounds like you had salvation and lost it to me. It is so important to understand. Are you ready to die for the name of Jesus or would you deny him to stay alive?
Revelation 17,-8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
And for those that think we all people start off in the book of life and if your blotted out that is not loosing salvation, in Revelation 17 we see clearly that not all people names are written in the book of life.
So my point is read the word for youself make your own decison, do not trust anyone who paints a easy path to heaven, no wear in Jesus word does he say it is easy, he tells us we must deny ourself, we must take up are cross, we must love him more then our family, that the path is narrow the way is hard and few find it. If you are not 100% commited to Jesus and his word you need to be, you are either all in are not in at all.
Do a self check to see. Do you have a personal relation ship with Jesus, is he the first person you run to when things are good, he is the first you run to when things are tough. Do you trust his word more then anything else in the world. Do a audit on your time, money, and thoughts, and you will know where your heart is. He should be in your every thought, you should be spending time with him alone, you should be producing fruit for the kingdom. Do you spend more money on pleasure and comfort and hobbies entertainment then on the kingdom. Check yourself, Jesus loves us, he will give you a new heart and spirit, but you have to be intentional with your relation ship with him, you will see God working in your life that you never thought possible.
Praise Jesus my King, he want to help us, because no way can we overcome with out him giving us the strength trust in him alone !
Taken
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Taken
Well-Known Member
Disagree.
ONCE SAV-ED…
God Keeps them Forever Saved by His POWER.
Enduring to the End applies TO:
A believer that IS NOT Saved.
God bless you,
Taken
Revelation. Not "Revelations." John's Revelation. Only one. <smile>
And what would you point to in Scripture as support for this, O2Q? Or is this just something you, um, "know"...? <smile>
Ah. Uh-oh. <smile>
Sadly, no.
Ohhhhh... boy.
Sure.
Oh my.
In a manner of speaking, yes, but... <chuckles>
Absolutely! Soli Deo Gloria!
Yes, but this time... and His patience... will come to an end. It's not that He "runs out of it," but it will come to an end.
Grace and peace to you.
Dear One 2 question,
The full expression of God to mankind is contained in scripture. If a person claims to have received truth that is not revealed in scripture, it is a deception from the spirit of anti-Christ.
The Spirit of Truth is given to a believer during their conversion process. That does not mean that the person will then be able to receive truth directly from the Holy Spirit. What it means is the person's understanding of scripture will be guided into truth by the Holy Spirit.
Here is an example of what I mean when I say apostate believers add to scripture:
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
I have had people on this forum quote this verse to me and say that since God tells us to "choose", then mankind has a free will ability to do so. However, the verse is silent on what causes the choice that mankind makes. It is in this way that they add to scripture.
Here is how Christ teaches His truth:
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For concept must be upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) concept upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).
The part of the scripture above that applies to Deu 30:19 is "here a little and there a little". When a verse is silent on something, we need to look to other scripture rather than adding to the verse our preconceived beliefs. When we look to other scripture to find what causes the choices that mankind makes, we find the scriptures below which address this point.
Prov 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.
Yes, mankind can make choices, but it is God who causes the choices we make. Mankind does not have a free will ability. Only God the Father is sovereign, and because of such, He alone possesses a free will ability.
Here is an example of what I mean when I say apostate believers ignore certain scriptures that conflict with their preconceived beliefs:
In this case, the person's preconceived belief is that Jesus Christ will not save all mankind. Below is one of many scriptures that they are forced to ignore or rewrite so that their beliefs are not contradicted by God's Word:
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Some scholars believe this verse should be translated as "desires to have all men be saved”, but that translation makes no sense. The verse needs to say "will have" to support the event that will later be "testified" to have happened. The word "desires" does not require anything to be accomplished. It is an emotion. And if Christ only desires to save mankind, why would it need to be proven to be true at some future date? An emotion can be proven in the present. The translation of "desires" (or any other word) in verse 4 makes no sense in light of the phrase "to be testified in due time". The only reasonable conclusion is that the verse should be translated as “who will have all men to be saved”.
Futhermore, even if the verse is translated as "desires", it doesn't change the meaning of the verse since God ALWAYS accomplishes His desires.
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Christ’s work of saving mankind is now “spiritual" work under the New Covenant. Spiritual work is done "within" mankind. In this world, Christ accomplishes His "will" by changing a person’s heart & mind to agree with His "will".
Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
A person's salvation happens solely by the spiritual work that Christ does within them. And since Christ has sworn by the prophets that He will do His work within all mankind, how can anyone remain lost?
Consider the scriptures below:
Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; 6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
If Christ fails to save even one person, He will have failed to accomplish the mission His Father gave Him to do:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
If Christ were to fail, Christ’s words would have come back to Him void and He would have “missed the mark” which His Father set for Him. However, Christ is not like mankind who can fail. Christ always accomplishes the things that He says He will do.
Finally, consider these scriptures:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Do these scriptures sound like Christ is going to fail to save all mankind? Most certainly not.
These scriptures describe the same event that 1Tim 2:4-6 proclaims will be “testified in due time”. It leaves no room for doubt about the saving work of Christ being accomplished within all mankind.
By the end of the final age, Christ will have fully accomplished the mission that His Father gave to Him. After the last person is saved, Christ’s reign will come to an end because there will be nothing more that needs to be accomplished. Christ’s last act will be to deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven (now completely full of all mankind) to His Father so that God will be “all in all” (no one left out).
What I have presented above is the true Good News (Gospel) of Christ and is what should be proclaimed to the world.
Joe
Disagree.
ONCE SAV-ED…
God Keeps them Forever Saved by His POWER.
Enduring to the End applies TO:
A believer that IS NOT Saved.
God bless you,
Taken
Matthew 24:13
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Yes…
The “unsaved”…”not converted…IN Christ”….
Who “endures”… continues to Believe… to the moment of his Bodily Death……
God shall SAVE.
This continues …
Through the 7 Seals.
Through the 7 Trumps.
Through the 3 woes.
They shall be risen up…first Resurrection.
The “converted “ IN Christ…(crucified with Jesus) the Lamb of God…have already been made Saved…continues to Rapture.
They shall be risen up…Rapture, by the Lord, Before the Trib from Heaven.
Glory to God,
Taken
There seems to me to be nothing greater than to hear the words of my Father,
That happens when you read the Bible out loud :)
Hearing what He says through whatever means He chooses
Mohammad, Ellen G White, Charles T Russell, sect leaders, Bahai faith etc all claim to have 'heard' GOD by OTHER means !!!
Stick with the Bible ALONE to avoid any deception :)
Who “endures”… continues to Believe… to the moment of his Bodily Death……
More people need to take notice of you Taken !!!
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