ScottA
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Which point is that?well, but these are irrelevant to the point, are they not?
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Which point is that?well, but these are irrelevant to the point, are they not?
that earth and world are different concepts? I see this occluded in many ways, and it seems many Christians have a poor understanding of the difference now. Of course "the world" is subjective, but i see it being conflated with "the earth" pretty regularly now? Of course "leave the world" is prolly not a very popular sermon to be giving to paying customers, i guess...Which point is that?
Okay, so you are asking a question, but obviously you actually just want to make a point - so again, I say, Make your point (and please stop fishing and then criticizing when you don't hear what you want to hear).
As for "actual" light...there is nothing actual but the spirit. "These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13-14
...But, please...make your point about what God created when he said, "Let there be light."
that earth and world are different concepts? I see this occluded in many ways, and it seems many Christians have a poor understanding of the difference now. Of course "the world" is subjective, but i see it being conflated with "the earth" pretty regularly now? Of course "leave the world" is prolly not a very popular sermon to be giving to paying customers, i guess...
um, well the thing is, that is just a theory?
Some see and some touch. Those who see, see the world, and those who touch, touch the earth. Like mind and body. But the sphere is one. To each a parable.that earth and world are different concepts? I see this occluded in many ways, and it seems many Christians have a poor understanding of the difference now. Of course "the world" is subjective, but i see it being conflated with "the earth" pretty regularly now? Of course "leave the world" is prolly not a very popular sermon to be giving to paying customers, i guess...
You speak of the conjectures of men. "Always existed", is and explanation limited to the context of this world. Even we can and have created such limited contexts - certainly God can and has done more.The spirit, time, space and the foundational constituents of matter have always existed. If spirit is all that's actual then why has God stated that he created anything else?. In the beginning God created through his Son.
The entire organization that God formed was done to reflect and give understanding to this initial event.
John 1:1–3, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The being we call Christ was the first emanation from the being of the Father. This is why it is of importance to understand all the words of God. Nothing was created before the Father separated a part of himself into his first born through his first words.
Eretz contains midbar wilderness; and if you are to leave the world, it seems that you are called to get familiar with midbar (from dabhar, hmm)that earth and world are different concepts? I see this occluded in many ways, and it seems many Christians have a poor understanding of the difference now. Of course "the world" is subjective, but i see it being conflated with "the earth" pretty regularly now? Of course "leave the world" is prolly not a very popular sermon to be giving to paying customers, i guess...
well, there is a clear delineation being made among the two camps, imoSome see and some touch. Those who see, see the world, and those who touch, touch the earth. Like mind and body. But the sphere is one. To each a parable.
Okay...so how would you define each differently? Perhaps you could offer a for instance?well, there is a clear delineation being made among the two camps, imo
You speak of the conjectures of men. "Always existed", is and explanation limited to the context of this world. Even we can and have created such limited contexts - certainly God can and has done more.
And that sphere, the sphere of this world is passing away - and the new heaven and the new earth, are not of this world.
Facts of this world, are mere footnotes, in a book that is written. They only have relevance within the book of this world - which is a true story - but just a story.
That speaks of God...but you were speaking of space, time, and matter.I believe God was the first to "conjecture" that "always existed" is a reality and he was not of this world;
Deu 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
1 Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
You are mixing things up. The 1000 years is a different matter. But the new heaven and earth is no more a "cleansing of this world" any more than the Temple is being remade of earthly stones. Neither is true. The new heaven and the new earth, and the temple are all spirit, as God is spirit - we go to be One with the Father where Christ has made a place for us.The new earth is a cleansing of this world and transforming into the next but, that will not occur until Christ has reigned for the 1000 years upon this very real earth.
You're missing the point. The world is an "image" of things on high. So, just as we do not worship the Bible, but worship the God of the bible - the world is likewise, little more than ink on paper...and not to be held in high regard in and of itself.Facts of this world are facts about what God has done and how he reflects the heavenly in it. If you don't care about the physical things then you won't care about the heavenly which they are modeled after. God's story is just a story after all right?
here i would argue that it was the Earth--in the Garden--that was made in that Image, and not the World, which is what man makes in the Earth.You're missing the point. The world is an "image" of things on high. So, just as we do not worship the Bible, but worship the God of the bible - the world is likewise, little more than ink on paper...and not to be held in high regard in and of itself.
i hesitate to do this, because Christ did not, but we can see that "the World" of even 100 years ago is vastly different than today. Personally i define "the World" as the general practice and beliefs that most of the rest of "the World" follows or believes, that, say, anyone in "the Wilderness" Midbar does not.Okay...so how would you define each differently? Perhaps you could offer a for instance?
nonetheless it might be an apt analogy, as far as it goes anyway? When one "leaves the world," the earth, at least, is maybe a bit cleaner? I dislike what to me is the false sense of responsibility i might get from "cleanse the world" over "leave the world," because imo you cannot clean the world in that sense, or to me it would no longer be the world, but nonetheless Christ died for the world, so that might just be a semantics difference.But the new heaven and earth is no more a "cleansing of this world" any more than the Temple is being remade of earthly stones.
That speaks of God...but you were speaking of space, time, and matter. So...God "always existed", but matter, etc., no.
You're missing the point. The world is an "image" of things on high. So, just as we do not worship the Bible, but worship the God of the bible - the world is likewise, little more than ink on paper...and not to be held in high regard in and of itself.
You are mixing things up. The 1000 years is a different matter. But the new heaven and earth is no more a "cleansing of this world" any more than the Temple is being remade of earthly stones. Neither is true. The new heaven and the new earth, and the temple are all spirit, as God is spirit - we go to be One with the Father where Christ has made a place for us.