Catholics

[bbyrd009]

Though the report does not mention it, we know of no other institution in the United States, secular or religious, which has a better record than the Catholic Church today when it comes to the sexual abuse of minors by adult employees.

except those in which none has been reported, yes.

 

[bbyrd009]

Let's discuss that dead cat, shall we?

we cannot find agreement this way gentlemen

 

[Mungo]

Let's discuss that dead cat, shall we?

Not interested in dead cats.

Still waiting for you to provide some evidence that the obelisk in St. Peter's Square is an idol.

 

[Mungo]

we cannot find agreement this way gentlemen

Very true. But then Job is not interested in agreement. He's just a Catholic basher. Waste of time.

 

[Josho]

So steering away from all this argument and disagreements, y'all agree on Jesus right? because that's the main thing, Jesus is meant to be the main focus for us all. We don't need all this fighting on whose doctrine is better and we don't need opinionated arguments based on assumptions, we need unity and unity is what we need, most of us are members of the Body of Christ, the foot cannot say to the arm, i don't need you, and the arm cannot say to the foot, i don't need you, the Body of Christ is meant to be one, made up of many different members, including Catholics, Catholics are such an important part of the body of Christ, many Catholics are a mighty prayer force in the quiet, they play such an important role in the Body of Christ, and they are such important members. Do not detest Catholics, treat your brothers & sisters in Christ with love, because Jesus loves you.

So why spark arguments, what will it profit you?

 

[Josho]

Back onto topic, I have seen the "Nicene Creed" mentioned somewhere on these forums maybe, I might have saw it in your old profile Mungo on the old site, is the "Nicene Creed" part of Catholicism?

 

[Mungo]

Back onto topic, I have seen the "Nicene Creed" mentioned somewhere on these forums maybe, I might have saw it in your old profile Mungo on the old site, is the "Nicene Creed" part of Catholicism?

Absolutely. Normally we say the Nicene Creed* at every Mass on Sundays & major feast days, though sometimes we use the Apostles Creed instead.

* If we want to be picky we say the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed - see Wikipedia

 

[Job]

most of us are members of the Body of Christ,

And if we see or believe someone to be in error, shouldn't that be addressed?

 

[Josho]

And if we see or believe someone to be in error, shouldn't that be addressed?

Not in this case. I see a lot of opinion, false accusations, unprofitable arguments, and skepticism aimed towards the Catholics.

 

[Job]

Not in this case.

So when is a good time to tell someone they're walking in error?

 

[Job]

I see a lot of opinion, false accusations, unprofitable arguments, and skepticism aimed towards the Catholics.

The title of the thread is "Catholics".

 

[FHII]

Not in this case. I see a lot of opinion, false accusations, unprofitable arguments, and skepticism aimed towards the Catholics.

It seemed to me that this thread was started to ask questions of Catholics in order to hear what they believe. It was about answering questions and tirned into question the answers.

I participated and got a pretty thurough answer. Do I accept the answer as truth? No, but it wasn't set up to be a debate.

So guys and gals... Let the folks who are Catholic answer the questions.

 

[tabletalk]

This from Jimmy Akin, on May 3,2016: "What if my priest doesn't believe in transubstantiation? Does the consecration still take place?"

The answer is that it does. It is not necessary for the priest to have the specific intention that transubstantiation take place so long as he has the generalintention to celebrate the sacrament of the Eucharist, even if he has a very erroneous understanding of that sacrament. "

So, it seems as if the Orthodox have a valid Eucharist.

Does the Catholic Church acknowledge the validity of the Orthodox Eucharist, even though they have an "erroneous understanding of that sacrament"?
(follow-up question): If so then, would many (most?) of the Orthodox faithful be blaspheming God if they do not believe in Transubstantiation?

 

[Mungo]

Does the Catholic Church acknowledge the validity of the Orthodox Eucharist, even though they have an "erroneous understanding of that sacrament"?
(follow-up question): If so then, would many (most?) of the Orthodox faithful be blaspheming God if they do not believe in Transubstantiation?

My understanding is that the Orthodox do not have an erroneous understanding of the sacrament.

As I said in an earlier post (#28) "Fundamentally both Catholic and Orthodox believe that the consecrated Eucharistic species are truly the body and blood of Christ, even if the Orthodox have not gone as far as the Catholic Church in defining how this can be so."

Para 844 of the Code of Canon Law states:
§2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

§3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

By Eastern Churches I understand is meant the Orthodox Churches.

Added:
You might find this interesting - Link

 

[Job]

Do I accept the answer as truth? No, but it wasn't set up to be a debate.

Then what's the point?

Seriously.

If we believe someone is lying in regards to the christian faith, we're supposed to just let it go?

Really?

Then what about this?

James 5
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


Just curious...
.

 

[FHII]

Then what's the point?

Seriously.

If we believe someone is lying in regards to the christian faith, we're supposed to just let it go?

Really?

Then what about this?

James 5
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


Just curious...
.

The point was made clear from the beginning:

"This is not a debate thread, but is a thread where we could learn more about Catholics, these are all pretty basic questions I'm starting this thread of with, but I think a lot of us other Christians have been taught wrongly about the Catholics......Others please feel free to ask questions to our Catholic members on this forum as well, but please try not to turn this into a debate..... If that's possible. Lets give the Catholics a fair go."

 

[Job]

The point was made clear from the beginning:

And those we feel are walking in error? You would have us look the other way?

 

[FHII]

And those we feel are walking in error? You would have us look the other way?

Absolutely not. But this is not the purpose of this thread. If anything use it as a reference to start a more focused thread.

The Catholics on this board have complained that peopke are ignorant or mislead on their beliefs. For better or worse, this is their shot to set the records straight.

 

[Job]

The Catholics on this board have complained that peopke are ignorant or mislead on their beliefs.

That's because they don't want to discuss the thing that they're well known for. If it's a part of their beliefs, I don't understand why it can't be discussed. It's a serious subject and no one wants to talk about it. Why?

 

[FHII]

That's because they don't want to discuss the thing that they're well known for. If it's a part of their beliefs, I don't understand why it can't be discussed. It's a serious subject and no one wants to talk about it. Why?

I think you are missing the whole point of this particular thread. It was to ask Catholics what their point of view is on any question you have. It was not to debate that point of view. I am all for taking the information they give and debating them on it in a new thread. I might even do it myself.