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[Job]

Neither did the Pope

What do you call that Mary? Be honest now.

 

[Job]

However, you probably realize you have been painted into a corner and if you were to engage in a honest conversation all your fantasies and theories about scripture and Christianity would vaporate in front of your eyes.

You're probably right. You should just walk away.

 

[ScottA]

Did Christ live in the Apostles?

I also called Him by name and He confirmed everything with me also, however, what you believe/preach/teach is different then what I believe/preach/teach. Have I been deceived? Are you THE ONE that God is working in for good?

Why do you believe yourself but no one else? You SERIOUSLY don't respect the Apostles?

There are about 7-8 questions in my post that you didn't answer. Those questions are based on what you said. Can you answer those questions?

1. Christ did not live in the apostles until Christ sent the Holy Spirit.
2. Confirmation is definitely subjective. But we know that strong delusion has been sent to those who first loved a lie. As for me, I did not love a lie, but rather asked for truth and received it.
3. I respect Christ who chose his apostles from the least of men.
4. I certainly may have passed over some questions in an attempt to address what is most important. If you could tell me again which questions I have not answered, I will answer.

 

[Marymog]

1. Christ did not live in the apostles until Christ sent the Holy Spirit.
2. Confirmation is definitely subjective. But we know that strong delusion has been sent to those who first loved a lie. As for me, I did not love a lie, but rather asked for truth and received it.
3. I respect Christ who chose his apostles from the least of men.
4. I certainly may have passed over some questions in an attempt to address what is most important. If you could tell me again which questions I have not answered, I will answer.

Goodness ScottA,

You are very confusing. In point #1 you say that Christ DID NOT live in the apostles and then you say he DID live in the apostles. Sooooo....I think we are in agreement that he DID live in the apostles.

You said earlier that Christ is living in you.

The apostles where men that had Christ living in them HOWEVER you said you do not respect them (or the martyrs). Do you respect yourself?

Points 2 and 3 make no sense to me.

Just try to logically answer the last paragraph of post #714 and i will be happy.

Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Your just spewing lies now.
NOWHERE is the Pope revered as "King" because only Christ is King.
Show me documentation to prove your moronic charge or admit that you made it up.

maybe you should get a dog or something? And the naive/ignorant act is wearing a little thin, tbh. Your mama spewed lies to you your whole life, ok, so now you think lies are the truth, get over it. We all have the same hill to climb buddy, so grow up already. You have google just like everybody else, try using it.

ps, there is no Santa Claus, either.

 

[bbyrd009]

HUH??
What on earth does this have to do with my response to ScottA??

Either pay attention to the conversation or stay out of it . . .

i don't understand why you would refuse help for your problems; you know you can get deprogrammed by Catholics too, right? You don't have to give up your religion if you don't wanna. But you would have to stop worshipping yourself.

Iow you would be forced to see that no one is here to take orders from you, and there is supposed to be some give and take in forums; you know, you would have to learn how to pretend to care about other people, and you would find out where the sun actually rises, and all that.

until then, don't talk to me anymore unless i give you permission first.
And don't ask for permission.

 

[Old Man]

Your worship has the appearance of evil. Bowing to images and statues. The scriptures forbid this kind of worship.

Leviticus 26
1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.



Abstain from all appearance of evil.
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It does not have the appearance of evil to me. Now what?

 

[Old Man]

I've never stated that I thought the individual catholic was stupid. Misguided yes, stupid no. If the material I post makes you uncomfortable, you should ask yourself why.

Why does it make me uncomfortable for someone to accuse me of thinking a piece of plaster is going to do something if I bow down in front of it? Not uncomfortable. Insulted. I know what I'm doing when I pray to Mary and use a statue as a reminder of who it is that I'm addressing. Praying to someone is not worshiping them. Kissing a thing is not worshiping it. kneeling in front of something is not worshiping it. True worship is following Jesus' commandment to "do this in remembrance of me." it is offering the one true sacrifice, the lamb of God to the father. It is participating in the once for all sacrifice on calvary that Jesus showed us in the last supper how it is to be perpetuated to all men in all generations. But I'm too stupid to understand any of that I'm too busy kissing my statue/god.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm very frustrated. My apologies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet, no human can create truth - all we can do is interpret truth and comment on it. Even citing scripture without commentary is reproducing a commentary on truth.

All commentary involves interpretation. All interpretation involves ego.

And I'm not creating truth - I'm simply proclaiming it.
I'm smashing lies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have spoken to you in spirit and in righteousness, and you dis' me, which is allowed among men, but not in the spirit. I caution you.

No you haven't.
You've spoken in fairy tales and lies. You have twisted Scripture to your own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16).

Nobody - not ONE single person in the Early Church believed what you're saying.
They UNANIMOUSLY believed in Peter's primacy and succession.

 

[BreadOfLife]

i don't understand why you would refuse help for your problems; you know you can get deprogrammed by Catholics too, right? You don't have to give up your religion if you don't wanna. But you would have to stop worshipping yourself.

Iow you would be forced to see that no one is here to take orders from you, and there is supposed to be some give and take in forums; you know, you would have to learn how to pretend to care about other people, and you would find out where the sun actually rises, and all that.

until then, don't talk to me anymore unless i give you permission first.
And don't ask for permission.

Hey - it is YOU who has been responding to MY posts - not the other way around.
You started something that you simply cannot finish because the truth is NOT on your side.

I have 2000 years of Christianity on my side and the unanimous testimonies of the Early Church.

All YOU have are the twisted heresies of men.

 

[BreadOfLife]

maybe you should get a dog or something?

And maybe YOU should stop lying . . .

And the naive/ignorant act is wearing a little thin, tbh. Your mama spewed lies to you your whole life, ok, so now you think lies are the truth, get over it. We all have the same hill to climb buddy, so grow up already. You have google just like everybody else, try using it.

ps, there is no Santa Claus, either.

Another textbook example of a defeated person desperately tossing out hominems because you failed to produce any actual evidence for your claims.

 

[Job]

It does not have the appearance of evil to me. Now what?

You can tell me what you think of this verse.

Leviticus 26
1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.

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[Job]

I know what I'm doing when I pray to Mary

So you do know it looks like you're praying to a statue or image.............right? Because when people who are unaware of your practices see you kneeling in front of an image or statue, it looks like you're worshiping it. Why do you think God said abstain from all appearance of evil? How other people see you is important.

Why do you pray to Mary? What's wrong with praying to God?
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[BreadOfLife]

So you do know it looks like you're praying to a statue or image.............right? Because when people who are unaware of your practices see you kneeling in front of an image or statue, it looks like you're worshiping it. Why do you think God said abstain from all appearance of evil? How other people see you is important.

Why do you pray to Mary? What's wrong with praying to God?.

Do YOU pray for friends or family?
WHY?? Why not just let them pray for themselves to God??

Unbelievably ignorant . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can tell me what you think of this verse.
Leviticus 26
1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.'

It shows that we're not supposed to worship images.
Catholics don't and those who say we DO are liars.

Remember this: YOUR lies are an abomination to God . . .

 

[Old Man]

You can tell me what you think of this verse.

Leviticus 26
1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.

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I agree with it 100%. I never make idols. I never carve images with the purpose of worshiping them. I have never set up an engraved stone in my land and I haven't bowed down to it. The commandment forbids idolatry. Worshiping anything other than God.

In order for you to accuse someone of worshiping an idol when they are bowing before an image, you have to be inside their head. Can you read minds? Can you know the intentions of the people you are accusing?

You think the words in red are a trap for me. Not so. Let me ask you this: is it the act of bowing down or is it something else that constitutes worship? What if I drop a nickle in front of a statue of George Washington? Would the act of picking it up be a violation of the first commandment? Obviously not. So, it must be something other than just the act of bowing before a statue that constitutes worship. So I ask again, can you read minds?

 

[Old Man]

So you do know it looks like you're praying to a statue or image.............right? Because when people who are unaware of your practices see you kneeling in front of an image or statue, it looks like you're worshiping it. Why do you think God said abstain from all appearance of evil? How other people see you is important.

Why do you pray to Mary? What's wrong with praying to God?
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As I've said elsewhere, praying is not (necessarily) worship. Catholics make a distinction. In fact there are four types of prayer. From lowest to highest: Petition, Contrition, Thanksgiving, Adoration/Praise/Worship. The only prayer suitable for Mary and the other saints is the first. We only ask her (and them) to intercede to God for us. Like asking a friend to pray for you. The other three forms of prayer are addressed to God alone. (For Catholics reading this, I'm aware of Dulia, Hyperdulia and Latria, but that is for another time.)

To someone who understands the faith, bowing in front of a statue does not look evil. The observer has some responsibility to understand what he's looking at, not just impute the worst motives on the observed person. What do you think when you see a man kneeling beside his bed with the bible open on the bed before him? Is he worshiping the scriptures or the bed?

Jesus taught us the only perfect offering to God is His Son. When we participate in the Mass we participate in that one offering that Christ made on the Cross by re-presenting the Body and Blood of Jesus back to the Father.

Just curious, why are you watching Catholics pray so much anyway?

 

[Job]

Let me ask you this: is it the act of bowing down or is it something else that constitutes worship?

Why is this so hard to understand? Bowing to images, statues or pictures, is a sin. It doesn't matter what's going through your head, you're sinning by simply bowing down to these things. God said don't do it.

Leviticus 26
1 ‘You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land,to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God.'


It's right there, in plain English.

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[Old Man]

I hope you never drop something valuable in front of anything. God might strike you down if you bow down to pick it up.