Catholics

[FHII]

Matthew 6 doesn't forbid praying in public, it forbids using prayer in public to show off. Otherwise, whole communities would be forbidden to recite the Lord's Prayer, found in the same chapter. Your judgement against the Pope, who is a humble man, is ridiculous.
Only very STUPID people think that Catholics pray to statues.
Maybe we are getting somewhere.

The blindness is in STUPID people jumping to false conclusions.

Well Kelpha.... What did you just do? You stated that my judgment against the Pope was rediculous, you stated that only stupid people believe pray to statues, the you said , " now we are getting somewhere" when I said it wasn't my thinking... Yet... I have been saying it for at least a month!

Its as if you didn't read the whole post before responding. You started responding before hearing the whole arguement.

You seemed to have jumped to false conclusions and actually had the power to correct it. Its not a oral dialogue. Its not like you didn't have the opportunity to edit what you wrote.

Yet you say stupid people make false conclusions. Yet thats what you did.

We can talk about Mat 6 and praying if you want. But I don't really know if I am up to it. You have way too much emotion in your conversation. Doesn't always make for a reasonable conversation.

 

[Old Man]

So you believe one must belong to a religious organization in order to know and worship God? Why? Explain your reasoning.

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Because that's the way God set it up.

 

[Job]

Because that's the way God set it up.

Show me.

 

[mjrhealth]

Because that's the way God set it up.

No He did not man did and they love it that way.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

but many

Joh_10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

so many about to find out they are not ready.

Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

and guess who that is

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

religion has nothing to offer anyone but religion.

 

[aspen]

Religion is the language we use to relate to God. It is not magic

 

[epostle1]

There is never an excuse for covering up crimes. However, as hard as it is to imagine, until the 1980s sex crimes against women and children were consistently overlooked, hushed, and paid off. It is the ugly truth. Large agencies like schools, churches, prison systems etc routinely abused vulnerable populations. The larger the agency, the more entrenched the abuse and cover up. Also, the larger the agency, the slower the changes in policy. This is not an excuse, for there is no excuse; it is an unfortunate fact. The Catholic Church is decades behind in its response to this evil. There are still people in leadership that can't fathom this evil inside their own institution (the last two Popes).

The Catholic Church needs to be held accountable and Catholics need to confront their complacency and the impact this abuse and cover up has had on the victims, their faith, and the world.

I have no doubt that Jesus would/will confront all clergy who abuse their power, whatever the method.

As far as the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church, it is clearly visible wherever you see humans at work. It is definitely a hospital for the sick, but the medicine it administers is pure. Jesus is at work in the Church and will overcome all human failings.

Hate speech. I've written extensively on the topic of sex abuse, and you don't know what you are talking about. PROTESTANTS, a heads up if you were abused by your minister....
The latest audit of the Catholic clergy involved in the sexual abuse of minors shows that there were two new substantiated cases made during the period of July 1, 2015 through June 30, 2016 against 52,238 priests and deacons. That comes to .004 percent of the clergy. Tell me the name of your church and I can probably dig up more dirt than that. Oops, you have the no-name brand of "Christian" so you can hide behind the wall of anonymity.

 

[epostle1]

You misunderstand. They are among "the dead in Christ" - of course they count, Christ died for them.
No, Peter is not the focus...unless you focus on him, which obviously you and the Catholic church have done. But the "subject" is NOT Peter. The subject is (1) who Jesus is, and (2) that Jesus would build His church upon the "rock" that came down from heaven. Notice Jesus did not say upon "you" (Peter), but upon "this rock", that being the One that is not "flesh and blood." So, yes, he is speaking "to" Peter, Peter is "blessed" in the exchange, and Jesus personally revealed to Peter just how it would come about...and then He gave the same keys to all his disciples, making Peter equal with...well, everyone else.

Jesus said "you", referring to Peter, FIVE TIMES. Jesus gave keys to all the Apostles? Chapter and verse, please. He later gave the power to bind and loose to all the Apostles as a COLLECTIVE, but earlier gave Peter both as an INDIVIDUAL. This clearly shows Peter's preeminence.

So...you gotta ask yourself: What part of not "flesh and blood", are you not reckoning with here?

It means the Father revealed to Peter who Jesus was, not human knowledge. Jesus was not condemning "flesh and blood" the way you do.

 

[mjrhealth]

This clearly shows Peter's preeminence.

Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so:

I guess Jesus contradicted Himself or someone is deceiving teh people.

 

[mjrhealth]

church and I can probably dig up more dirt than

Catholic Church paid out $276m over child sex abuse claims

 

[BreadOfLife]

Show me.

At the Last Supper - Jesus prayed that His Church remain ONE (John 17:20-23).
Not only did He NOT ask the Father for tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering "bodies" - He only asked God for ONE.

Read 1 Cor. 12. The entire chapter is about the MANY members of the Body of Christ being united as ONE. - and how they all need each other.

In Luke 10:16, Jesus talks about His Church when He says:
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

In Acts 9:4-5 - Jesus asks Saul why He is persecuting HIM - not His Church., which is what Saul was doing. Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church. If you're not part of His Church - then you're NOT part of Christ.

I can't wait to read your response . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

In Acts 9:4-5 - Jesus asks Saul why He is persecuting HIM - not His Church., which is what Saul was doing. Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church. If you're not part of His Church - then you're NOT part of Chris

Nothing to do with catholosim, have you not read

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

And do you really think His church would be made up of teh same, this one

Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Of which yours certainly is not.

Teh silence is deafening the truth cant be argued with.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nothing to do with catholosim, have you not read

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
And do you really think His church would be made up of teh same, this one

Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Of which yours certainly is not.
Teh silence is deafening the truth cant be argued with.

Show me ONE Protestant sect that is comprised only of sinless people.
Just ONE.

Yes - the silence IS deafening . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so:

I guess Jesus contradicted Himself or someone is deceiving teh people.

No - JESUS doesn
t lie - YOU do.
You left out the sentence that immediately follows what you posted:
Luke 22:26
Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
The official title of the Pope is "The servant of the servants of God."

You ALSO left out what Jesus tells Peter a couple of verses later . . .
Luke 22:31-32
“Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of YOU (plural) like wheat, but I have prayed that YOUR (singular) own faith may not fail; and once YOU (singular) have turned back, YOU (singular) must strengthen YOUR (singular) brothers.”

Jesus put PETER in charge of bringing them all back to Christ and relied on PETER'S faith to do it.

 

[mjrhealth]

I guess BOL you have not read,

1Ki_19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

See God doesnt have to yell or scream or be loud, that is what teh devil does to drown out the voice of God, cant help yourself.

Show me ONE Protestant sect that is comprised only of sinless people.
Just ONE.

I guess you missed it, none of mens "religions" are from God, yours is just the loudest in defending itself, but than once one believes a lie one must be proactive at defending it.

My friend Pia was talking to Her mum last night, and teh topic came up about that Cardinal selling drugs, she said she had heard but never thought about it, so she did some research, yes its not hard, couldnt believe how deeply ingrained it all is in the catholic religion. See BOL not hard to discuss things without yelling or screaming at everyone.

When you find teh truth you will be free, so go look for Him.

 

[mjrhealth]

t lie - YOU do.

One day this is going to bite you in teh butt so hard it will hurt problem is that will be the day you are standing in judgement and all your past life comes flashing past you. I do hope by than you find teh truth.

 

[mjrhealth]

The servant of the servants of God."

Does not make it so.

In his encyclical, "The Reunion of Christendom" (1885), Pope Leo XIII stated that the pope holds "upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

Replaced God???

ANd I guess you missed this bit

1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.


And why was it that Saul went to teh seer to talk to dead Samuel,

1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Does not make it so.

In his encyclical, "The Reunion of Christendom" (1885), Pope Leo XIII stated that the pope holds "upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

Replaced God???

ANd I guess you missed this bit

1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

And why was it that Saul went to teh seer to talk to dead Samuel,

1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

That's because you refuse to accept God's appointment of Peter as vicar.
WHATEVER you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven.
WHATEVER you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.

What part of "Whatever" are you having a problem understanding??

 

[BreadOfLife]

One day this is going to bite you in teh butt so hard it will hurt problem is that will be the day you are standing in judgement and all your past life comes flashing past you. I do hope by than you find teh truth.

Because I admonished you not to lie??
You think WAAAAAAY too much of yourself . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I guess BOL you have not read,
1Ki_19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

See God doesnt have to yell or scream or be loud, that is what teh devil does to drown out the voice of God, cant help yourself.
I guess you missed it, none of mens "religions" are from God, yours is just the loudest in defending itself, but than once one believes a lie one must be proactive at defending it.

My friend Pia was talking to Her mum last night, and teh topic came up about that Cardinal selling drugs, she said she had heard but never thought about it, so she did some research, yes its not hard, couldnt believe how deeply ingrained it all is in the catholic religion. See BOL not hard to discuss things without yelling or screaming at everyone.
When you find teh truth you will be free, so go look for Him.

And you'll be free when you start obeying God instead of mocking His Church . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

That's because you refuse to accept God's appointment of Peter as vicar.

No its because Jesus is Lord of Lord and King Kings, and God appointed Him to rule and rein over us, God does not have favourutes as you prpose, that is why you preach a lie and need to defend it, Keep going it fun watching you shout at everyone.