Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[Stranger]

ANY gift can be refused.
God is not some sort of Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on us.

It is a GIFT that can either be accepted can be rejected.

Oh yeah, tell that to Paul.

Once received, it is a done deal. Because it is by faith not by works.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is not the end of the story, just because you say so. The son was already a son. He didn't quit being a son. You cannot use this as proof that a believer can lose their salvation. Absurd.

Stranger

Sorry - but when my Lord says "Dead" - He means "DEAD" - as in NO LIFE.

 

[Stranger]

ANY gift can be refused.
God is not some sort of Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on us.

It is a GIFT that can either be accepted can be rejected.

Once recieved it is a done deal.

As I said.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh yeah, tell that to Paul.

Once received, it is a done deal. Because it is by faith not by works.

Stranger

Paul never says that you can't reject a gift.
If it can't be rejected - then it's NOT a gift - it's a sentence.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Once recieved it is a done deal.
As I said.
Stranger

NOWHERE does the Bible ever say that we cannot turn away from God.
It warns us over and over NOT to do so.

 

[Stranger]

Sorry - but when my Lord says "Dead" - He means "DEAD" - as in NO LIFE.

Yet in the story the son still lived. And was still a son. He was separated from his father but he never stopped being a son.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Paul never says that you can't reject a gift.
If it can't be rejected - then it's NOT a gift - it's a sentence.

Check out Paul's conversion. Then, as I said, tell it to Paul.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet in the story the son still lived. And was still a son. He was separated from his father but he never stopped being a son.

Stranger

He came BACK to life. He was FOUND after being "lost".
It's really not that difficult to understand . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Check out Paul's conversion. Then, as I said, tell it to Paul.

Stranger

Where, in his conversion story was he forced to accept God's grace??
NOWHERE.

 

[Stranger]

NOWHERE does the Bible ever say that we cannot turn away from God.
It warns us over and over NOT to do so.

Sure, we can turn away from God as believers. But we don't cease to be believers. We will come under the disciplinary action of God, but not loss of eternal life.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure, we can turn away from God as believers. But we don't cease to be believers. We will come under the disciplinary action of God, but not loss of eternal life.

Stranger

That's absolutely false.
We cease to be believers and serve Satan instead.

 

[Mick_Alexander]

The same parable is given in (Matt. 24:42-51) which as I showed, occurs after the Tribulation. (24:29) The Church is already gone. The parable speaks to those believers who are alive during the Tribulation and waiting for the Lords return to set up the kingdom. And then the Lord appoints or rewards those based on their actions and watchfullness. This reward is not an entrance into heaven. It is a place within the millennial kingdom. As unbelievers will be in the kingdom, these servants of God who have not been watchful, will have their place with the unbelievers.

Following what you refer to as the Tribulation is the Millennium period during which the church reigns with Christ as Rev. 20:4 tells us. Jesus will not be appointing unsaved people to rule the earth, He will be doing it Himself with resurrected believers as co-rulers.

It's a bit off key to believe that Jesus will be appointing people who refused to accept Him as Lord to run His Millennium kingdom. He will have countless millions of saints to do that.

In the parable of Luke 12:42-46, the servant is called faithful and wise. In Rev. 17:14 believers are referred to as "called, chosen and faithful followers". The unsaved are never referred to as faithful so the parable is certainly not talking about unsaved people.

God bless,
Mick

 

[Stranger]

He came BACK to life. He was FOUND after being "lost".
It's really not that difficult to understand . . .

No, it is not. The son was still a son.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, it is not. The son was still a son.

Stranger

EVERYTHING Jesus said is true.
If He says a person is dead - then they are DEAD - period.

 

[Stranger]

He came BACK to life. He was FOUND after being "lost".
It's really not that difficult to understand . . .

He wasn't found. He returned to his father. And the father was still the father, and the son was still the son.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

That's absolutely false.
We cease to be believers and serve Satan instead.

No it is not false.

You can't make yourself an unbeliever by a work. How silly.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

EVERYTHING Jesus said is true.
If He says a person is dead - then they are DEAD - period.

Yes, everything Jesus said is true. Just not everything you are saying is true.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

He wasn't found. He returned to his father. And the father was still the father, and the son was still the son.

Stranger

Try to understand what Jesus was saying.

Jesus said he was DEAD.
Was he physically dead? No - he was spiritually dead.

Jesus said he was LOST.
Was he physically lost? No - he was spiritually lost.

He was later found and came back to life - SPIRITUALLY.
That's the entire point of the parable.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, everything Jesus said is true. Just not everything you are saying is true.

Stranger

I'm simply saying what HE said.
If I'm lying - then HE was lying.

 

[Stranger]

Following what you refer to as the Tribulation is the Millennium period during which the church reigns with Christ as Rev. 20:4 tells us. Jesus will not be appointing unsaved people to rule the earth, He will be doing it Himself with resurrected believers as co-rulers.

It's a bit off key to believe that Jesus will be appointing people who refused to accept Him as Lord to run His Millennium kingdom. He will have countless millions of saints to do that.

In the parable of Luke 12:42-46, the servant is called faithful and wise. In Rev. 17:14 believers are referred to as "called, chosen and faithful followers". The unsaved are never referred to as faithful so the parable is certainly not talking about unsaved people.

God bless,
Mick

I didn't say Jesus would appoint people who refused to accept Him as Lord to run the millennial kingdom. Those who are appointed with the unbelievers in the parable are believers.

There will be unbelievers born during the millennium. They no doubt will have a place there also. That they help rule during the millennium?...no. Of course not. Which is part of the warning to those believers during the tribulation. Because they will have the same appointment.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

No it is not false.

You can't make yourself an unbeliever by a work. How silly.
Stranger

And I never said that we could - where are you getting that??
We cannot make ourselves believe by a work - but we can reject God by our own doing.