Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[BreadOfLife]

When one believes in Christ does he have eternal life?

Stranger

Yup - unless he LOSES it by choice (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

 

[Stranger]

Yes, that is what I'm saying as the Parable of the Prodigal son teaches.
Had the son not had a change of heart - he would have been lost forever.

No he wouldn't. The prodigal son was still a son. That is the point. He did not cease to be a son.

Try harder.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then it wasn't eternal. Just temporary. Yet Scripture calls it eternal.

Stranger

No - it's eternal until the person decides they want out.
Eternal life is a gift - not a sentence - and a gift can be returned . . .

 

[Stranger]

Yup - unless he turns away from it and loses it.

You might have a "lifetime" subscription to a magazine - but it is up to YOU if you want to end it.
Does that mean that is was never a lifetime subscription??

Then it wasn't eternal. We are not talking about 'magazines'. How silly.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

No he wouldn't. The prodigal son was still a son. That is the point. He did not cease to be a son.
Try harder.

Stranger

Apparently, YOU think Jesus was just kidding when He said the Son was "DEAD".
Jesus wasn't a comedian - He is God.

 

[Stranger]

No - it's eternal until the person decides they want out.
Eternal life is a gift - not a sentence - and a gift can be returned . . .

That's funny. It is given due to no work done. Yet you say it is taken away due to a work done or not done. How fickle. And a lie.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then it wasn't eternal. We are not talking about 'magazines'. How silly.
Stranger

Sure it is.
Eternity requires out cooperation (sunergos).

 

[Stranger]

Apparently, YOU think Jesus was just kidding when He said the Son was "DEAD".
Jesus wasn't a comedian - He is God.

That didn't mean the son quit being the son.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's funny. It is given due to no work done. Yet you say it is taken away due to a work done or not done. How fickle. And a lie.

Stranger

Hey - I'm not the one who said it - GOD did.
If YOU think He's a liar - then take it up with Him . . .

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

How can God "take away" somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

 

[Stranger]

Sure it is.
Eternity requires out cooperation (sunergos).

Really. I thought it was a gift. So, you have now changed your story. It wasn't a gift. Just exactly what was it?

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

That didn't mean the son quit being the son.

Stranger

He was "Dead" to the Father - just as those who reject God are dead spiritually.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Really. I thought it was a gift. So, you have now changed your story. It wasn't a gift. Just exactly what was it?

Stranger

A gift requires your cooperation.
You can give a gift back to the giver.

 

[Stranger]

Hey - I'm not the one who said it - GOD did.
If YOU think He's a liar - then take it up with Him . . .

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

How can God "take away" somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

No, I will take it up with you. Cause your not saying what I think God is saying.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

He was "Dead" to the Father - just as those who reject God are dead spiritually.

That doesn't mean the son quit being the son.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I will take it up with you. Cause your not saying what I THINK God is saying.

Stranger

What YOU think God is saying??
I'll go with 2000 years of constant living teaching of the Church on this one - not YOUR opinion . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That doesn't mean the son quit being the son.

Stranger

When we are dead to God - we are SPIRITUALLY dead.
End of story - unless we repent . . .

 

[Stranger]

A gift requires your cooperation.
You can give a gift back to the giver.

Not this one.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

What YOU think God is saying??
I'll go with 2000 years of constant living teaching of the Church on this one - not YOUR opinion . . .

Easy, easy, remember you don't want to make this a protestant catholic thing.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not this one.

Stranger

ANY gift can be refused.
God is not some sort of Cosmic Rapist who forces His love on us.

It is a GIFT that can either be accepted can be rejected.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Easy, easy, remember you don't want to make this a protestant catholic thing.

Stranger

I never used the "C" word once - did I??

 

[Stranger]

When we are dead to God - we are SPIRITUALLY dead.
End of story - unless we repent . . .

That is not the end of the story, just because you say so. The son was already a son. He didn't quit being a son. You cannot use this as proof that a believer can lose their salvation. Absurd.

Stranger