End Times Close ???

[bbyrd009]

The World Health Organization says that 156,000 people die every day now. Not sure the relevance of your assertion.

a few people who are convinced that September 24th is the end of the world are going to die today, and all of their anticipation or worry will have been for nothing

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not backbiting when they talk about you to your face.

ya, facebiting then. Or surely at least as often, being that this is a forum and all, they are just challenging a concept and not meaning to offend at all, but offense is taken anyway, so the same thing or really even worse in a way.

Of course like prolly what 1/3 of the time or something neither of these happens, but my meaning here is that we look for a devil with horns, when satan appears as an angel of light. Meaning these literal visions we get of some dark tomorrow wherein something that would be unimaginable today might happen then, come from inside us--even if there is a lot of encouragement.

Just scanned past Cartoon Network, "Guess the end of the world" date, for a joke, and "Christians" are doing the exact same thing, for serious? So then "looking for a devil with horns" might blind one to the devil that appears as an angel of light

 

[Copperhead]

a few people who are convinced that September 24th is the end of the world are going to die today, and all of their anticipation or worry will have been for nothing

Anybody who thinks the world is going to end September 23rd need to be taken in for a drug screen. The removal of the righteous, that is a legitimately debatable issue, and if that were to happen on the 23rd, the world is still not going to end for at least another 1000 years after that.

 

[bbyrd009]

What is the "word of God" bbyrd009?

It is an action that we might perform, a la Ghandi, that is the best example of the Word of God i can come up with. The Word, having gone out from God, will be accomplished, right.

Do you really think you will be able to speak a word of scripture during this time and still have your head on your body?

yes, because that time is today, not tomorrow as you are understanding it, and this "beheaded" that you fear so much in tomorrow, despite "do not fear them that can kill the body here on earth," means something different than that, for today.

Since i brought up Ghandi, i would stick with the analogy and maybe direct the convo to the massive campaign to discredit Ghandi that did not work. Beheading, see, that scary boogey man that we are told will happen sometime tomorrow for a devout Christian? That would have been much preferable ok, beheading only takes a minute or two, tra-la.

See, the thing we get scared of about tomorrow ends up not even being relevant, because obviously they could not even "behead" Ghandi without making him a martyr.

"beheading" does not mean chopping off your head, that is strictly for like Hollywood produced ISIS videos for public consumption and eschatologists to point to, most likely. Much more effective to successfully discredit or smear someone who hears Word, i think.

Of course some actual beheadings of actual hearers of the Word might also occur, don't get me wrong, but i'm guessing that there are like only about 3 of those people even alive on earth at any one time anyway.

 

[bbyrd009]

the world is still not going to end for at least another 1000 years after that.

so you say, but i would look at that less literally tbh. "1000 year reign" is not this literal group experience that it is made out to be imo. The world "ends" for a believer when they leave it--"The removal of the righteous"--and Christ is revealed in them, and their "1000 year reign" commences

 

[bbyrd009]

that is a legitimately debatable issue, and if that were to happen on the 23rd,

see, these two cannot go together imo

 

[Copperhead]

so you say, but i would look at that less literally tbh. "1000 year reign" is not this literal group experience that it is made out to be imo. The world "ends" for a believer when they leave it--"The removal of the righteous"--and Christ is revealed in them, and their "1000 year reign" commences

I have found when I was in error theologically, it was usually because I didn't take the text literally enough. Should have followed more closely the example of Yeshua and how He took the scripture He quoted literally.

I would contend that the world doesn't "end" for the believer when they leave it, as they will be coming back to it later to rule and reign with Messiah.

 

[bbyrd009]

as they will be coming back to it later to rule and reign with Messiah.

my contention is that it should at least be considered that this might mean "when Christ becomes their Head, and they recognize that they are the Body of Christ," although at some point i also hope for a more literal fullfillment, sure. Iow maybe taking "he who wants to rule must be the servant of all" literally, lol. I am reigning pretty good right now with even my poor attempts to put Christ as my Head, let Christ be my Head, whatever.

 

[Dcopymope]

yes, because that time is today, not tomorrow as you are understanding it, and this "beheaded" that you fear so much in tomorrow, despite "do not fear them that can kill the body here on earth," means something different than that, for today.

Then by all accounts, you shouldn't even be drawing breath if you are living in the Great Tribulation. And no, I don't fear death for the testimony Jesus.

Revelation:

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

No, this time is not today as you claim, not even close. Be glad that you can still speak of Jesus without concern of becoming a martyr.

 

[bbyrd009]

Then by all accounts, you shouldn't even be drawing breath if you are living in the Great Tribulation.

actually what i am reading tells me that those are praying for mountains to fall on them lol, to extinguish their breath, and they cannot get that. Great tribulation is a step in the Revelation of Christ in you

 

[bbyrd009]

No, this time is not today as you claim, not even close.

so you say, but those alive in 70AD might surely disagree, and for me this is in the past now i think, so yes, today, if you are ready, and not today if you are not

 

[bbyrd009]

I have found when I was in error theologically, it was usually because I didn't take the text literally enough. Should have followed more closely the example of Yeshua and how He took the scripture He quoted literally.

I would contend that the world doesn't "end" for the believer when they leave it, as they will be coming back to it later to rule and reign with Messiah.

might we literally fulfill this when we understand the spiritual application of a passage for ourselves, right now? I don't know if this means "completely ignore the literal interpretation as a prophecy of the future" either, though, don't get me wrong, but that um...ha suddenly i am seeing "that faith alone is great and all, you only need faith alone" but combined with, and inescapable from "you reap what you sow."

where light is, evil runs right, so imo evil is overcome at exactly the rate we overcome it, and we are getting there--to that as yet "future" Corporate Utopia thing that we envision as being just for a few of us, right--"step by step," all of us "in our own time," but we change this into "Jesus is coming back to save me from what i am sowing, and He is finally going to put on that Crown that i and so many others believe He will wear, even though He put it down 3 times already."

This plan for tomorrow that has been made, that is envisioned, is not a good thing, and imo serious consideration should be made about this doctrine, with all the Scripture going against it considered. Assuming that you know what is going to happen to you tomorrow or someday with any accuracy--yikes, when we are so often surprised by how different something on earth turned out to be v what we imagined?--is strictly "blindness" imo even if yes things will be better tomorrow than they are today.

but then it will be today, see, tomorrow is a bad place to dwell

also we say that yesterday was better than today, right, not today is better than yesterday.
Iow we don't appreciate the good, we dwell on the bad

 

[bbyrd009]

It makes a lot of the NT and all of the Revelation, and even many parts of the OT, all applicable to a single generation

 

[bbyrd009]

see zing just like that, none of that Scripture even applies to you right

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Can anyone bring me up to date on what signs are happening in the world today regarding bible prophecy end times. There is much media surrounding September 24th, as there was last year and the year before, yet still nothing happened.. further more, many Christians believe in less then 10 or 15 years Jesus will return for his church, are we really that close until our Lord comes back,

Comments welcome

There is always something new, and everyday brings us one day closer.

 

[bbyrd009]

there is nothing new under the sun, but i like the second part
oh, i guess those are synonymous anyway if you read it right lol

"Jesus is coming back to save me from what i am sowing, and He is finally going to put on that Crown that i and so many others believe He will wear, even though He put it down 3 times already."

despising one's birthright, perhaps

 

[bbyrd009]

see also what thief in the night means in that context

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

see also what thief in the night means in that context

Don't you think that the day we die is the end?
If it's not the rapture, then what happens?

 

[bbyrd009]

[QUOTE="Rollo Tamasi, post: 321472, member: 7591"]Don't you think that the day we die is the end?[/QUOTE]we do not know what we will be

If it's not the rapture, then what happens?

meeting Him in the air, which you can do today

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

[QUOTE="Rollo Tamasi, post: 321472, member: 7591"]Don't you think that the day we die is the end?

we do not know what we will be

meeting Him in the air, which you can do today[/QUOTE]
I know this seems to be a bit of a light hearted conversation, but if we get serious, can we answer the question, "what happens if we die today"? Can we provide Scripture to prove our point?