Why water into wine?

[bbyrd009]

You mean those Arrow things to the right of the screen?

BTW, THANK YOU.
:)

no, in the quote banner in any post that quotes someone else, the top of the quote box. In this post, the quote banner contains "GodsGrace said:" and then the body of the quote,

"You mean those Arrow things to the right of the screen?

BTW, THANK YOU.
:)"

you wanna go just to the right of the colon after "said" in the quote banner
should be a little "up" arrow there or something, duh

 

[perrero]

Now, now Robert.
We know you are stuck up there in those cold oil fields all day.
They can do weird things to one's mind.
I've known lots of people who have everything figured out in the Bible, and now I can add you to the list.

I doubt very much, you have read this whole thread at 43 pages but I did mention that I was not going to get into a discussion on Eschatology as it is way of topic and too long and complicated.
Also the way that you came on, for the first time, by saying "Now prove it" gave me a bad vibe and your second post to me was somewhat insulting which confirms the first post. So, suffice it to say, I have no quarrel with you neither do I have interest with you. DONE!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Robert, don't hurt my feelings like that.
But you did.
That puts you on the same level as me.
If you don't want to discuss a topic, why did you bring up Daniel, as though you knew what you were talking about?
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You know Robert, we all make mistakes.
Just admit you made a mistake posting Daniel and everyone will be happy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Baptism by desire.
Know that.

But that would mean that the only way I could not be baptised AND be lost is if I refused to be baptised.

Why would anyone born from above insist on NOT being baptised?
Maybe because he's not born from above?

Jesus did say to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son, and the HolySpirit.
Mathew 28:19

We should just do what Jesus said and not argue about it so much.

Jesus ALSO said that you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless you are born of Water and spirit (Baptism - John 3:5).
It's not merely "symbolic" as most Protestants believe - but regenerative.

Baptism isn't a choice for Christians - but a requirement (Mark 6:16, Acts 2:38).

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is not about where we pray, because Jesus' statement is a general statement. "When you pray..." So the place of prayer can be anywhere, just don't do it on the corner of the street to be seen like Pharisees. But the only Person who is worthy of our prayers is, according to Jesus, is the Father. That because the Godhead knew about the depth of the depravity of sin which would draw people into praying and worshiping every stick of wood, every golden calf, every statue and picture of every saint and madonna, every amulet, every angel, which is why the C church ignores the 2nd commandment so that the devil can get people away from praying to the father and therefore pray to everything else but Him.
Yes! part of praying is ASKING. Such as:
Mat. 18:19 "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ASK, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven."
Luke 11:13 "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ASK him?
Look at the prodigal son. When he came back, he came asking forgiveness of the FATHER.
If you want to pray to Mary and every other saint and angel, go right ahead. Your prayers will not go beyond the ceiling as they are idolatrous.

Do I only pray to the Father? Yes. Does that make me a hypocrite? then so be it at least I'm not an idolater.

It makes you hypocritical because by NOT praying to Jesus - you are denying His deity.

As for Catholics asking the saints on Heaven to pray FOR us - it is NO different than YOU asking a friend or loved on to pray for YOU. James 5:16 admonishes us to pray for each other - yet YOU think this goes against what Jesus said??
RUBBISH.

Finally - as to your asinine claim that Catholics "worship" statues and Mary and the saints - you know better than to make this false claim. ASKING them to pray FOR us is not "worship" - and LYING about this is a sin . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is absolutely no support in scripture for a purgatory that purifies unto salvation. I don't care how you want to twist everything else.

WRONG.

1 Cor. 3:11-15
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be SAVED—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Paul describes this process in 1 Cor. 3:12-15. Notice, that in this passage - he talks about the fact that the person will SUFFER loss, but will eventually be SAVED.
Here are the Biblical facts:

1. This can't be Heaven because there is NO suffering in Heaven.
2. This can't be Hell because those in Hell can never be saved.
3. This is describing a THIRD state - that of final cleansing before entering Heaven.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So many exceptions, you wonder if their are more exceptions than people baptized.
A person gets saved, repents of his sin, follows Jesus daily walking in holiness but never did get baptized. So unfortunate but you're going to hell buddy!
What a wonderful God we have. You asked for forgiveness of sin, which is the most grievous thing against God, you recognized that only Jesus can save, you follow through by living in obedience to the Father but yet you were not baptized. Baarrmmpp! three strikes you're out. Better luck next time!

Wrong.

It's not about never having had the opportunity to be baptized.
It is the REFUSAL of Baptism that would condemn a person because that is NOT the "obedience" you just spoke of.

It ain't that complicated . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hard to destroy lies when you are full of them yourself. Thus my mission to show how the C church is a cult binding people to hell.

Please explain how the Catholic Church is a "cult."

The Christian Research Institute, which was pretty much an enemy of the Catholic Church published an article by Professor Kenneth Samples, a Protestant historian called, "What Think Ye of Rome?" This is a man, who is NO fan of the Catholic Church and holds a Masters degree in theology - yet in this article, even HE defends the Catholic Church against the false charge YOU just made.

I eagerly await your response . . .

 

[aspen]

Interesting that Hank Hannegraf converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are so slick man. Might I say slithery slick. All that diatribe to avoid the fact that the C church has remove the verses 4-5 from Exodus and 8-9 from Deu. 5.
You can't get around it with your silly explanation of the numbering game, the total "thou shalts", the splitting of property versus wife, ect. Nice smoke screen. The fact remains the verses are NOT there and you know it.
And that is what opened the door for the C church to introduce all the idols, and statues and pictures that the C people bow down to, pray to, and worship. Just look around the world, there are tons of communities and villages that have the madonna as there object of worship or some patron saint. They parade in the streets carrying her overhead. You walk into the church and she is plastered everywhere more than Christ Himself.
Seriously you need to stop drinking the kool-ade.

And instead of simply responding angrily and ignorantly - why don't you try DEBUNKING what I said?? Don't just call it hogwash until you can refute it.

REFUTE the linguistic evidence I presented about the different uses of "coveting" in the original Hebrew Chamad (תחמד) vs. 'Avah (תתאוה).
REFUTE the fact that there are more than 10 commandments - IF you count all of the "shalts" and "shalt nots".
REFUTE the fact that God's prohibition against creating images is against the WORSHIP of them as idols and NOT the creation of them.

Instead of just calling me "slick" - PROVE your point that I'm wrong . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Interesting that Hank Hannegraf converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity

Yes, it is - but this article was written in the early 90's when Hank was an anti-Catholic . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Popes title
VICARIUS FILII DEI
THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of

FILII - means son
DEI - means GOD
So you see it is not God they worship, their pope replaced Jesus , literally.
You really should do some research into what it did and where it came from, or are you too just playing games with us...

The term "vicar" simply means chief representative or "chief agent".

The official titles of the Pope are (and "Pope" is not one of them)

• Bishop of Rome.
• Vicar of Jesus Christ
• Successor of the Prince of the Apostles.
• Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church.
• Primate of Italy.
• Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province.
• Sovereign of the State of Vatican City.
• Servant of the Servants of God.
  
  Incidentally, the term "Pontiff" simply means "bridge-builder".
  You REALLY need to do your homework before responding . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I dont I stick to Jesus like glue. It is you that is stuck in the canon. You know what canons do?? They kill people... It is amazing how many people who read the bible dont know God, so sad.

And your abject ignorance continues.

A "Cannon" is a weapon of destruction.
A "Canon" is a list.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Interesting that Hank Hannegraf converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity

Here is an excerpt of "What Think Ye of Rome (10 reasons why Catholicism is NOT a Cult):

"Catholicism, on the other hand, is the largest body within Christendom, having almost a two‐thousand‐year history (it has historical continuity with apostolic, first century Christianity), and is the ecclesiastical tree from which Protestantism originally splintered."

This was published in the Christian Research Journal in the 90's, when Hank was pretty anti-Catholic.

 

[aspen]

Yes, it is - but this article was written in the early 90's when Hank was an anti-Catholic . . .

Right, I forgot.....anyone who has heard of the Vatican and doesn't bowed down immediately is antiCatholic. You know, I continue to wonder why hyperCalvinists run around molesting the goats by telling them about Jesus and demanding fealty from them; despite the fact they are destine to burn for eternity......now, I am wondering why any educated Catholic would share Catholic ideas with separated brothers and sisters? The result appears to be the same, according to people of your ilk - telling them the 'truth' about Catholicism demands fealty or damnation

 

[aspen]

Hank Hannegraf still believes the words in that quote; yet he did not join the Catholic Church

 

[mjrhealth]

A "Cannon" is a weapon of destruction.
A "Canon" is a list.

Funny thing they both kill people, as I said so many read it and still dont know Jesus. And my other post still stands, you replaced Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

The term "vicar" simply means chief representative or "chief agent".

The official titles of the Pope are (and "Pope" is not one of them)

• Bishop of Rome.
• Vicar of Jesus Christ
• Successor of the Prince of the Apostles.
• Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church.
• Primate of Italy.
• Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province.
• Sovereign of the State of Vatican City.
• Servant of the Servants of God.
  
  Incidentally, the term "Pontiff" simply means "bridge-builder".
  You REALLY need to do your homework before responding . . .

Hi BoL

I'd like to add this:

In Italian the title of Pope is : Pontefice

Ponte means bridge.

We could say that the Pope is the bridge between the people and God, thus his title of Vicar of Jesus, or representative of Jesus.

I think Pontefice is a very beautiful title for him.

 

[GodsGrace]

Funny thing they both kill people, as I said so many read it and still dont know Jesus. And my other post still stands, you replaced Jesus.

When someone cannot reply with facts,
they resort to saying silly things.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hank Hannegraf still believes the words in that quote; yet he did not join the Catholic Church

He probably didn't join the Catholic Church because he was tired of the splintering we Protestants love so much and the arguing we love to do.

The Eastern Orthodox Church is MORE orgranized than the C C.
There is MORE discipline,and this is probably what he wanted after leaving such a broken up mess of a church.

I'm sorry to say.