Different ideas

[amadeus]

The Kingdom of Heaven is already established. That happened after Jesus tossed Satan and his angels down to "The vicinity of the earth" and the heavenly realm became clean of the influence of Satan.

But the question I would like to ask here is, what church will Jesus call to his flock, there are 40,000 or so Christian religions and many extra denominations of those ones. In Jesus time on earth he was at first only appealing to the Jews, and it was not for another 32 years before he opened up to the gentiles. After that the world went crazy with different doctrines and in the latter years after the mainstream churches were contested in doctrine, there has been a flock of flocks with different ideas. So do you think in amongst all this smorgasbord of religion there might be the one Truth and Jesus and Jehovah are saying 'Follow us'?

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matt 24:23-28

If our heart is right, will not God see our heart and act accordingly?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

 

[Marakorpa]

Being brainwashed, does that mean the we have clean brains????

Just another religion trying to steal Gods people from Him.

Exo_8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

But your religion wont and most dont want to leave anyway, some prefer slavery to teh freedom that is in Christ Jesus.

Go tell BOL that your church is teh Lords church, shouldnt be too hard if you are right.

Might need a fire extinguisher...

May I suggest that you try to find out who God really is, and He is not Jesus, as Jesus is the son of the invisible God, Jehovah, but you seem angry adn blinded to the Truth.

READ THIS:

Jesus is Jehovah’s most precious Son

—and for good reason. He is called “the firstborn of all creation,” for he was God’s first creation. * (Colossians 1:15) There is something else that makes this Son special. He is the “only-begotten Son.” (John 3:16) This means that Jesus is the only one directly created by God. Jesus is also the only one whom God used when He created all other things. (Colossians 1:16) Then, too, Jesus is called “the Word.” (John 1:14) This tells us that he spoke for God, no doubt delivering messages and instructions to the Father’s other sons, both spirit and human.
How do we know that the firstborn Son is not equal to God?
Is the firstborn Son equal to God, as some believe? That is not what the Bible teaches. As we noted in the preceding paragraph, the Son was created. Obviously, then, he had a beginning, whereas Jehovah God has no beginning or end. (Psalm 90:2) The only-begotten Son never even considered trying to be equal to his Father. The Bible clearly teaches that the Father is greater than the Son. (Read John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3) Jehovah alone is “God Almighty.” (Genesis 17:1) Therefore, he has no equal. *

 

[Marakorpa]

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matt 24:23-28

If our heart is right, will not God see our heart and act accordingly?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

I agree with the sentiments of your post, but I still maintain that the can only be one Truth. To find that Truth takes some serious study of the "Christian Workshop Manual" The Bible. No one can read the Bible and understand all its meanings, and many of its instructions are on matters yet to come.
The Churches do not know the Bible, the use scriptures to fit a sermon and use that sermon over and over again without moving forward in any learning.

Satan is the king of the world and is blinding the hearts and minds to the Power and love of Jehovah, that is said in the scriptures and cannot be doubted.

If you had the learning and understanding you could see that t here will come a time when the United Nations will turn upon "Christendom" that is all religion and consume all their goods and possessions. Why will this happen:



DO YOU feel incensed when corrupt governments oppress and exploit their citizens? Does it offend your sense of justice when big business fattens the rich at the expense of the poor? Are you angered when religious leaders fleece their flocks or teach outright falsehoods? If so, you may be pleased to learn that the Bible too condemns these evils. This article will consider (1) Bible prophecies that foretell the end of all wickedness and wicked people and (2) the reason why these prophecies merit our full trust.

“[Babylon the Great’s] plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.”—Revelation 18:2, 8.

Fulfillment: The Bible reveals that at his appointed time, God will move the world’s political powers to turn against Babylon the Great and destroy her. They will “make her devastated and naked” and “eat up her fleshy parts.” (Revelation 17:16) In other words, they will expose her shameful character and plunder her immense wealth. Her destruction will be quick and so complete that not a trace of her will remain.—Revelation 18:21.

The political rulers may think that their deed was of their own making. However, the fulfillment of this amazing prophecy will confirm that Babylon’s end was an act of God. He will have “put it into their hearts to carry out his thought.”—Revelation 17:17.

 

[amadeus]

I agree with the sentiments of your post, but I still maintain that the can only be one Truth. To find that Truth takes some serious study of the "Christian Workshop Manual" The Bible. No one can read the Bible and understand all its meanings, and many of its instructions are on matters yet to come.

Sentiments? No, most of what was in my post was scripture. What God does with the scripture in us is what makes the difference.

Understanding does not and cannot come from study alone, or only the best and most qualified students would please God. I don't believe that is how God works.

God is looking at our hearts and that is stated throughout scripture. It is God alone who gives anyone an increase in their understanding or in the contents of their heart:

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7

The Churches do not know the Bible, the use scriptures to fit a sermon and use that sermon over and over again without moving forward in any learning.

Churches in the sense that you are using the word I would certainly agree that they know nothing. People are the ones who know or do not know, and the people who trust God and wish to follow His lead are "The Church".

Satan is the king of the world and is blinding the hearts and minds to the Power and love of Jehovah, that is said in the scriptures and cannot be doubted.

Satan can blind no one who is trusting in God and he cannot block anyone who is really seeking God. Of course, there are many people say that they are trusting or seeking but who probably are not. God knows His own and His own know Him. God has a covering over His people.

If you had the learning and understanding you could see that t here will come a time when the United Nations will turn upon "Christendom" that is all religion and consume all their goods and possessions.

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31

Why will this happen:

DO YOU feel incensed when corrupt governments oppress and exploit their citizens? Does it offend your sense of justice when big business fattens the rich at the expense of the poor? Are you angered when religious leaders fleece their flocks or teach outright falsehoods? If so, you may be pleased to learn that the Bible too condemns these evils. This article will consider (1) Bible prophecies that foretell the end of all wickedness and wicked people and (2) the reason why these prophecies merit our full trust.

If we know God, to whom or to what else do we need to trust? The world as we know it may well be coming to an end, but God is not. We simply need to remain always on His side.

“

[Babylon the Great’s] plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.”—Revelation 18:2, 8.

Fulfillment: The Bible reveals that at his appointed time, God will move the world’s political powers to turn against Babylon the Great and destroy her. They will “make her devastated and naked” and “eat up her fleshy parts.” (Revelation 17:16) In other words, they will expose her shameful character and plunder her immense wealth. Her destruction will be quick and so complete that not a trace of her will remain.—Revelation 18:21.

The political rulers may think that their deed was of their own making. However, the fulfillment of this amazing prophecy will confirm that Babylon’s end was an act of God. He will have “put it into their hearts to carry out his thought.”—Revelation 17:17.

Gloom and doom of confusion [= babylon] may come on those who do not know God, but if we are the saints [set apart ones] of God then consider rather this:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I Cor 14:33

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

 

[Marakorpa]

Sentiments? No, most of what was in my post was scripture. What God does with the scripture in us is what makes the difference.

Understanding does not and cannot come from study alone, or only the best and most qualified students would please God. I don't believe that is how God works.

All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 1 Timothy 3:16

God is looking at our hearts and that is stated throughout scripture. It is God alone who gives anyone an increase in their understanding or in the contents of their heart:

I agree


"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7



Churches in the sense that you are using the word I would certainly agree that they know nothing. People are the ones who know or do not know, and the people who trust God and wish to follow His lead are "The Church".

When Jesus said that "On this rock I will build this church he did not mean that he would make Peter the first Pope or any Pope for that matter, Jesus was referring to himself.
ROCK-MASS

This translates the Greek word peʹtra (feminine gender), which designates a mass of rock (Mt 7:24, 25; 27:51, 60; Lu 6:48; 8:6, 13; Re 6:15, 16) and therefore differs from peʹtros (masculine gender and employed as a proper name, Peter), meaning “piece of rock.” This distinction makes it clear that, when saying to Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation,” Jesus was not using synonymous terms. (Mt 16:18) Even in the Aramaic (Syriac) version the distinction is apparent from a difference in the gender of the particle preceding the word kiʼphaʼ, used for both “Peter” and “rock.” The masculine verbal pronoun (hu) precedes “Peter,” but “rock” is preceded by the feminine demonstrative adjective (hadeʼ).

That the apostles did not understand Jesus’ statement to signify that Peter was the rock-mass is evident from the fact that they later disputed about who seemed to be the greatest among them. (Mr 9:33-35; Lu 22:24-26) There would have been no basis for such disputing had Peter been given the primacy as the rock-mass on which the congregation was to be built. The Scriptures clearly show that as foundation stones, all the apostles are equal. All of them, including Peter, rest upon Christ Jesus as the foundation cornerstone. (Eph 2:19-22; Re 21:2, 9-14) Peter himself identified the rock-mass (peʹtra) on which the congregation is built as being Christ Jesus. (1Pe 2:4-8) Similarly, the apostle Paul wrote: “For they [the Israelites] used to drink from the spiritual rock-mass that followed them, and that rock-mass meant the Christ.” (1Co 10:4) On at least two occasions and in two different locations the Israelites received a miraculous provision of water from a rock-mass. (Ex 17:5-7; Nu 20:1-11) Therefore, the rock-mass as a source of water, in effect, followed them. The rock-mass itself was evidently a pictorial, or symbolic, type of Christ Jesus, who said to the Jews: “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.”—Joh 7:37.

It is also of interest that Augustine (354-430 C.E.), usually referred to as “Saint Augustine,” at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view. Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures (Mt 16:18, ftn, p. 296) quotes Augustine as saying: “The rock is not so named from Peter, but Peter from the rock (non enim a Petro petra, sed Petrus a petra), even as Christ is not so called after the Christian, but the Christian after Christ. For the reason why the Lord says, ‘On this rock I will build my church,’ is that Peter had said: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On this rock, which thou hast confessed, says he, I will build my church. For Christ was the rock (petra enim erat Christus), upon which also Peter himself was built; for other foundation can no man lay, than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”—Translated and edited by P. Schaff, 1976.




Satan can blind no one who is trusting in God and he cannot block anyone who is really seeking God. Of course, there are many people say that they are trusting or seeking but who probably are not. God knows His own and His own know Him. God has a covering over His people.



"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31



If we know God, to whom or to what else do we need to trust? The world as we know it may well be coming to an end, but God is not. We simply need to remain always on His side.



Gloom and doom of confusion [= babylon] may come on those who do not know God, but if we are the saints [set apart ones] of God then consider rather this:

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I Cor 14:33

Saints or Holy ones. It must be remembered that up until Pentecost the 144,000 heavenly class were only taken from the faithful Jews, then the opportunity, or invitation from Jehovah was extended to the gentiles. The ones before this "faithful and discreet Slave class" were determined,would be resurrection to a Paradise earth, as is the way that the Bible states will occur. In other words men like Noah Job Moses etc will all be resurrected from the "Memorial Tombs" to the Paradise earth.

So is the Doom and Gloom comment about what Revelation speaks of or is it the doom and gloom of the world today, and the confusion, as the politicians and worlds leaders do not have an answer to solve the problems that seem to escalate every day.

Are you just hoping that God has a plan to fix this doom and gloom or do you have an "assured expectation" that is will happen as the Bible predicts?

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

 

[mjrhealth]

May I suggest that you try to find out who God really is, and He is not Jesus, as Jesus is the son of the invisible God, Jehovah, but you seem angry adn blinded to the Truth.

READ THIS:

Oh man what pedestal are you standing on... All religions of this word are self serving, do nothing for the benefit of, man nor God. A I said, if what you say is true I am sure that you could explain that to our friend BOL, who seems to be under this odd delusion just like you, that His church owns God, and If you want Him than you have to join "our" religion. Sorry God has no need of your religion nor any of mens religions. Men do not own God, neither do any of them have all teh truth, simply put, God is not "stupid", just look at religion now, get a tiny bit of truth and they hold teh world to ransom for any one who wants it. So God gave all those who come to Christ the Holy Spirit, to teach us and to lead us into teh truth, and since none of us have all teh truth, none of us can boast, yet here you are boasting just like our mate BOL, boasting of a lie as if it where true, Just like all mene religions who think the have everything.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

 

[Marakorpa]

Oh man what pedestal are you standing on... All religions of this word are self serving, do nothing for the benefit of, man nor God. A I said, if what you say is true I am sure that you could explain that to our friend BOL, who seems to be under this odd delusion just like you, that His church owns God, and If you want Him than you have to join "our" religion. Sorry God has no need of your religion nor any of mens religions. Men do not own God, neither do any of them have all teh truth, simply put, God is not "stupid", just look at religion now, get a tiny bit of truth and they hold teh world to ransom for any one who wants it. So God gave all those who come to Christ the Holy Spirit, to teach us and to lead us into teh truth, and since none of us have all teh truth, none of us can boast, yet here you are boasting just like our mate BOL, boasting of a lie as if it where true, Just like all mene religions who think the have everything.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

I am not being insulting, but where does all this put you?

 

[Armadillo]

May I suggest that you try to find out who God really is, and He is not Jesus, as Jesus is the son of the invisible God, Jehovah, but you seem angry adn blinded to the Truth.

Jehovah is Hebrew in the Old Testament, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Jehovah in Greek is Kurios and it's translated as Lord, New Testament was written in Greek.

Philippians 2:11, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jehovah Jesus. Jesus is God.

There is something else that makes this Son special. He is the “only-begotten Son.” (John 3:16) This means that Jesus is the only one directly created by God.

Philippians 2:7, Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

Jesus voluntarily took the form of a man. He was not a created being.

Jesus is called “the Word.” (John 1:14) This tells us that he spoke for God, no doubt delivering messages and instructions to the Father’s other sons, both spirit and human.

To understand the written word that you read between two pieces of leather you need to know the living Word and if you don't know who Jesus Christ is and what He did for you, the Bible will only confuse you.

John 14:26, But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Ephesians 1:17, I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

DO YOU feel incensed when corrupt governments oppress and exploit their citizens?

2 Corinthians 10:3, For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.

We are living in the world, not of the world, we are citizens of the Kingdom of God and He is ruling now, not at some future time. There will be no Armageddon, it already took place.

Kingdom living is in Isaiah 61, we heal the broken hearted, proclaim the Word of God, preach the Good News and give liberty to the captives and Kingdom living has been passed onto us.

Revelation 1:6, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

 

[Armadillo]

Marakorpa wrote, When Jesus said that "On this rock I will build this church he did not mean that he would make Peter the first Pope or any Pope for that matter, Jesus was referring to himself.
ROCK-MASS

And for many, Jesus Christ is the stumbling block.

 

[mjrhealth]

I am not being insulting, but where does all this put you?

Who said anything about being insulting, Dont you know, this is all about Jesus and what He did, its not about mens religions nor what we can do??? So why have you come here to separate man from God?? There is one head of the "ecclesia" His "gathering " of people, and that is Christ Jesus, and all us who are in Him are equal., not one above another as men and religion would have it. Have you not read,

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

and that my friend is only a tiny bit of what Jesus died on that cross for. God has no need for religion just those who believe, with them He can move mountains.

 

[Marakorpa]

Jehovah is Hebrew in the Old Testament, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Jehovah in Greek is Kurios and it's translated as Lord, New Testament was written in Greek.

Philippians 2:11, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jehovah Jesus. Jesus is God.



Philippians 2:7, Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

Jesus voluntarily took the form of a man. He was not a created being.

Then why does the Bible say that He was the first of all creation?

But still more God, Jehovah, offered up his only begotten son as a ransom sacrifice for the sins of Adam, so that mankind may not be forever under the threat of death as was given to Adam and Eve?

What, or who, was Jesus before he became man?

Do you understand that Jesus, being under the same free will as the angels, Satan, and mankind, could have refused to become the ransom sacrifice. Do not think that is symantics, just think yourself and us thankful that he didn't do that.

What did Abraham do when he was asked by God to give up his son as a sacrifice?



To understand the written word that you read between two pieces of leather you need to know the living Word and if you don't know who Jesus Christ is and what He did for you, the Bible will only confuse you.

John 14:26, But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Ephesians 1:17, I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.



2 Corinthians 10:3, For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.

We are living in the world, not of the world, we are citizens of the Kingdom of God and He is ruling now, not at some future time. There will be no Armageddon, it already took place.

Wrong, so very wrong!

Kingdom living is in Isaiah 61, we heal the broken hearted, proclaim the Word of God, preach the Good News and give liberty to the captives and Kingdom living has been passed onto us.

Revelation 1:6, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

You say, me say, me say no more!!!!

 

[amadeus]

All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 1 Timothy 3:16

Yes, men were inspired by God to write His Word, but this doesn't mean that anyone who reads it will understand. Atheists and even believers reading with the wrong purpose [spirit] can read scripture and completely twist or misunderstand God's meaning. As it took inspiration to write so also does it take the inspiration of God to understand His meaning.

When Jesus said that "On this rock I will build this church he did not mean that he would make Peter the first Pope or any Pope for that matter, Jesus was referring to himself.
ROCK-MASS

This translates the Greek word peʹtra (feminine gender), which designates a mass of rock (Mt 7:24, 25; 27:51, 60; Lu 6:48; 8:6, 13; Re 6:15, 16) and therefore differs from peʹtros (masculine gender and employed as a proper name, Peter), meaning “piece of rock.” This distinction makes it clear that, when saying to Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation,” Jesus was not using synonymous terms. (Mt 16:18) Even in the Aramaic (Syriac) version the distinction is apparent from a difference in the gender of the particle preceding the word kiʼphaʼ, used for both “Peter” and “rock.” The masculine verbal pronoun (hu) precedes “Peter,” but “rock” is preceded by the feminine demonstrative adjective (hadeʼ).
...................... etc...

I don't understand why you wrote or quoted all of that to me. I am not Catholic and I don't follow the Pope or any other man, although at times I may give double honor when it seems to be due:

"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine." I Tim 5:17

Saints or Holy ones. It must be remembered that up until Pentecost the 144,000 heavenly class were only taken from the faithful Jews, then the opportunity, or invitation from Jehovah was extended to the gentiles. The ones before this "faithful and discreet Slave class" were determined,would be resurrection to a Paradise earth, as is the way that the Bible states will occur. In other words men like Noah Job Moses etc will all be resurrected from the "Memorial Tombs" to the Paradise earth.

So is the Doom and Gloom comment about what Revelation speaks of or is it the doom and gloom of the world today, and the confusion, as the politicians and worlds leaders do not have an answer to solve the problems that seem to escalate every day.

Are you just hoping that God has a plan to fix this doom and gloom or do you have an "assured expectation" that is will happen as the Bible predicts?

God does have a plan, but the only details we will definitely need are those that pertain to us in particular. If we are leaning on Him and indeed surrendering to Him continuously by "praying without ceasing" and by "rejoicing in the Lord always", and asking of Him when we need help [which is just about all of the time] He will help us to endure with Him from the "as through a glass darkly" up to the "face to face".

I hope that others will see that God has a plan which could include them and then reach out to Him so that they may receive the good that He has for them.

 

[Armadillo]

God created the heavens and the earth and you shall have no other gods before me, but idols and false gods will always be around so don't worship them.

Genesis 1:26, And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:

Who is the our?

Exodus 20:3, You shall have no other gods before me.

Corinthians 10, They worshiped idols, just as the Scriptures say, “The people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to dance around.” So don’t worship idols.

Marakorpa wrote, What, or who, was Jesus before he became man?

The what is goodness, God is good and Jesus is good.

Is God's glory creating man in His image and/or His Omnipresence?

Moses didn't have the Holy Spirit living in him like we can and Moses talked to God face to face and he had no clue when he asked God to show him His glory what the answer would be.

Exodus 33:11, The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.

Exodus 33:18, Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

Exodus 33:19, And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Make my goodness and my name pass in front of you. Jesus is the glory of God.

Matthew 17:3, Then Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Jesus.

What a conversation that must have been!

Colossians 1:17, He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

All things are held together by Jesus.

Marakorpa wrote, Do you understand that Jesus, being under the same free will as the angels, Satan, and mankind, could have refused to become the ransom sacrifice. Do not think that is symantics, just think yourself and us thankful that he didn't do that.

If there is any other way and there wasn't. Jesus did the will of the Father.

Jesus is God and Jesus was man. The glory came from the man Jesus, a glory that belongs to humanity. We were created in His image but there was sin and death and along came Jesus showing us grace and truth and goodness.

Jesus called Himself the Son of Man and it directs us to the prophecy in the Book of Daniel. He called Himself Son of Man, it was His human side saying He like one of us and He came to serve, be a servant.

Daniel 7:13-14, “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a SON OF MAN, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, GLORY and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

If Jesus was just another created being, why do we worship Him? Only God is to be worshiped, Luke 4:8, Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"

Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The Lord OUR God, the Lord is ONE!

The Father, approachable and can have an intimate relationship with.

The Son, saves us and presents us to God righteous.

The Holy Spirit, teaches, leads, guides and comforts us.

Marakorpa wrote, What did Abraham do when he was asked by God to give up his son as a sacrifice?

Abraham was no stranger to child sacrifice, God didn't choose him because he was a good guy. God changed Abram's name to Abraham, meaning a father of many nations and He had no kids at the name change, at that time. Twenty years later God tells Abraham to take his son, his ONLY son to sacrifice but Abraham had 2 sons at that time and God didn't even recognize Ishmael, he was a work of the flesh. Abraham takes Issac up the mountain and when little Issac asks his dad where the sacrifice is, his dad told him God will provide that sacrifice. Abraham had every intention of sacrificing Issac that day but God stopped him and provided a sacrifice, the ram in the thicket. This is a shadow of Jesus, beloved Son of God, He will be the sacrifice, the spotless lamb. Jesus is not a work of the flesh, not a created being, He was a promise just as Issac was a son of promise.

John 1:29, The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Romans 3:25, For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,

 

[Marakorpa]

Yes, men were inspired by God to write His Word, but this doesn't mean that anyone who reads it will understand. Atheists and even believers reading with the wrong purpose [spirit] can read scripture and completely twist or misunderstand God's meaning. As it took inspiration to write so also does it take the inspiration of God to understand His meaning.



I don't understand why you wrote or quoted all of that to me. I am not Catholic and I don't follow the Pope or any other man, although at times I may give double honor when it seems to be due:

"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine." I Tim 5:17



God does have a plan, but the only details we will definitely need are those that pertain to us in particular. If we are leaning on Him and indeed surrendering to Him continuously by "praying without ceasing" and by "rejoicing in the Lord always", and asking of Him when we need help [which is just about all of the time] He will help us to endure with Him from the "as through a glass darkly" up to the "face to face".

I hope that others will see that God has a plan which could include them and then reach out to Him so that they may receive the good that He has for them.

Could you share your thoughts on this Plan you speak of?

 

[amadeus]

Could you share your thoughts on this Plan you speak of?

It is discussed in the Bible, but there are different functions for different parts of the Body of Christ as we see when we read I Corinthians chapter 12 with Jesus being the Head subject to the Father.

You ask me specific questions and if I know the answers I may be able to give them to you.

If we're paying attention and we are sincere God will show us what we need as we need it. It is found between Genesis and Revelation.

 

[buddyt]

At this point in time there is no Hell. Hell fire will come after Judgment. As the flesh dies the spirit & soul returns to the Father. Ecclesiastes 12:7 According to your Faith you go to one side of the Gulf or the other awaiting Judgment Day. Read of this in Luke 16:26.

It's easy to understand when you understand the reason for being in Flesh body's to begin with. The eternal life mentioned in the Bible is spent in the Spirit not the flesh.

Why then are we in Flesh body's ? The answer is to be tested. Do you love God and believe on Him ? Or are you a follower of the World and Satan. Father wants to know. After all Revelation 12:4 speaks of the Dragon ( Satan) and his deceiving 1/3rd of the Stars ( Angles or Souls). These went with him in the First Earth Age. You can read of Father removing all life from the Earth in 2 Peter 3. Their we are told of the Three Earth Ages.

By the way the Promise's God makes never changes Gods word never changes.

 

[twinc]

Marakorpa wrote, When Jesus said that "On this rock I will build this church he did not mean that he would make Peter the first Pope or any Pope for that matter, Jesus was referring to himself.
ROCK-MASS

And for many, Jesus Christ is the stumbling block.

for many more Peter is the stumbling block because they want to be Popes - supposedly when Christ also said to thee will I give the keys and whatsoever thou shall bind shall be bond Jesus was referring to Himself - twinc

 

[Marakorpa]

At this point in time there is no Hell. Hell fire will come after Judgment. As the flesh dies the spirit & soul returns to the Father. Ecclesiastes 12:7 According to your Faith you go to one side of the Gulf or the other awaiting Judgment Day. Read of this in Luke 16:26.

It's easy to understand when you understand the reason for being in Flesh body's to begin with. The eternal life mentioned in the Bible is spent in the Spirit not the flesh.

Why then are we in Flesh body's ? The answer is to be tested. Do you love God and believe on Him ? Or are you a follower of the World and Satan. Father wants to know. After all Revelation 12:4 speaks of the Dragon ( Satan) and his deceiving 1/3rd of the Stars ( Angles or Souls). These went with him in the First Earth Age. You can read of Father removing all life from the Earth in 2 Peter 3. Their we are told of the Three Earth Ages.

By the way the Promise's God makes never changes Gods word never changes.

You last comment is the only part of your post that has any semblance of accuracy about it IMO

First earth age???? Where in the Bible do you get this from.

When was Satan cast to the vicinity of the earth...'having great anger knowing that he had a short time.'

What is t his gulf you speak of, I must have missed that in my Bible studies.

Does eternal life or everlasting life mean immortality?

 

[Marakorpa]

It is discussed in the Bible, but there are different functions for different parts of the Body of Christ as we see when we read I Corinthians chapter 12 with Jesus being the Head subject to the Father.

You ask me specific questions and if I know the answers I may be able to give them to you.

If we're paying attention and we are sincere God will show us what we need as we need it. It is found between Genesis and Revelation.

My specific question is : what is God's plan in your mind?

 

[bbyrd009]

Where in the Bible do you get this from.

...and the earth became void

perhaps