Why water into wine?

[BreadOfLife]

(John 21:21-22) "Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."

Jesus was clear. Don't worry about other believers Peter. You worry about yourself. Shame Rome couldn't do that.

Stranger

Sooooo, because Jesus knew better than Peter - this is your proof that he wasn't in charge after Jesus ascended??
What an asinine position.

Jesus was in charge until he ascended - then Peter took over the earthly helm of the Church.
That's why PETER is the one to speak to the crowds after the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

 

[BreadOfLife]

eh bible actually contains some truth even though you have to get through all that corruption to find it, you actually quote it, but like the devil twist it to your own end, which is something you will one day have to answer for, and besides ads I said, christians dont believe God they only believe the bible.

Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

Still one day hope to see you on teh other side, you are clearly very good at tearing down, hope to one day see you build up.

Ummmm, perhaps you can enlighten us by telling us the many "corrupted" parts of Scripture??

Anyway - the fact STILL remains that you are quoting the Canon of Scripture that was declared by the Catholic Church . . .

 

[Willie T]

This can be done through Hid death and resurrection which by the way was on the third day. Did you notice, in verse 1, when this wedding celebration occurred?

Yes, the full passage, starting in the previous chapter, says it was possibly the 4th day after His baptism.

 

[aspen]

All believers are saints. The Catholic Church does not make saints - it simply recognizes them.

 

[perrero]

Yes, the full passage, starting in the previous chapter, says it was possibly the 4th day after His baptism.

And what is exactly your contribution with that statement WT?

 

[Willie T]

And what is exactly your contribution with that statement WT?

Just pointing out that jumping to play Numerologist when we think we have found a special number in the Bible can sometimes leave egg on our faces. It is often best to just read the Bible for simply what it says.

 

[Stranger]

No - I don't.

James 2:19 tells us that even the DEMONS believe.
Are they saints??

As for Romans 3:10 - it says that there is NONE righteous. If you are "covered" by the righteousness of Christ (which Scripture does NOT claim) YOU are still unrighteous.
Only those in Heaven, who have been MADE righteous are righteous. You can only believe in the Communion of saints if you believe that the prayers of the members of the Body of Christ in Heaven are efficacious. You've invented a different doctrine that the Communion of the Saints.

James 5:16 tells us that the prayers of a RIGHTEOUS person are very powerful.
This leaves you in a contradictory Protestant quandary . . .

When I say believers, I am talking about all those who are Christians. Those of the race of Adam who have been redeemed. So, again, do you believe that all those of the race of Adam who are believers, who are saved, are saints?

No, I do believe in the communion of the saints. I just don't believe in the Roman view. And, I already showed you that you just need to read a little farther into Romans. (Romans 3:22) 'Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." The righteousness we receive by faith in Christ is not ours. We are declared righteous, counted righteous by God, but it is not ours.

No contradiction here.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Sooooo, because Jesus knew better than Peter - this is your proof that he wasn't in charge after Jesus ascended??
What an asinine position.

Jesus was in charge until he ascended - then Peter took over the earthly helm of the Church.
That's why PETER is the one to speak to the crowds after the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

No, not because Jesus knew better...which He did. But because Jesus told Peter not to worry about what His plans for John were. In other words no pope Peter. Peter is not to worry himself over the other believers. That is Christ's business. Again, shame Rome couldn't take this advice. (John 21:21-22)

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

Ummmm, perhaps you can enlighten us by telling us the many "corrupted" parts of Scripture??

Anyway - the fact STILL remains that you are quoting the Canon of Scripture that was declared by the Catholic Church .

The truth cant speak against it can you, nothing to say??
No its not the catholic canon your church never wrote it and dont own it, as for evidence i have posted before which you as always reject so ill close with one statement,

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

So many, even those from your own religion have given you pearls which you have chewed up and spat out. All good no more from me, and i dont have an ignore list, just not that childish, I only how that all will pray that you will come out the other side on fire for teh Lord filled with life and not that death you insist on spitting out at everyone.

As for those mods who are letting you get away with it all, they too have brought themselves under condemnation for letting you.

 

[tabletalk]

All believers are saints. The Catholic Church does not make saints - it simply recognizes them .

But, it recognizes different categories of saints :
"After beatification, another miracle is needed for canonization and the formal declaration of sainthood." (from Catholic Education.org)

 

[bbyrd009]

yikes

 

[BreadOfLife]

When I say believers, I am talking about all those who are Christians. Those of the race of Adam who have been redeemed. So, again, do you believe that all those of the race of Adam who are believers, who are saved, are saints?

And YOU don't know who is "saved" and who is not.
That's not YOUR call - it's God's. Only God can read the heart - not YOU.

No, I do believe in the communion of the saints. I just don't believe in the Roman view. And, I already showed you that you just need to read a little farther into Romans. (Romans 3:22) 'Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." The righteousness we receive by faith in Christ is not ours. We are declared righteous, counted righteous by God, but it is not ours.

No contradiction here.

Stranger

No - you don't believe in the Communion of the Saints because it was defined by the Catholic Church.

As for "reading a little further" - you are a textbook case of why Peter made the following statement about Paul's writings:
1 Pet. 3:!6
“…speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

Paul was writing to Christians in Rome whose beliefs were being polluted by the Judaizers, who were teaching that Christians had to observe the Mosaic Law for their salvation. You cannot "believe" unless you OBEY. Paul makes it clear that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness - and makes NO provision for Abraham simply having an "imputed" righteousness.

ALWAYS study the Scriptures in CONTEXT instead of just spouting off verses in total blind ignorance . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, not because Jesus knew better...which He did. But because Jesus told Peter not to worry about what His plans for John were. In other words no pope Peter. Peter is not to worry himself over the other believers. That is Christ's business. Again, shame Rome couldn't take this advice. (John 21:21-22)

Stranger

No - Peter was not to worry about whether or not John was to die or live forever.
NOTHING about not worrying about "other believers" and NOTHING about Peter not being in charge.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The truth cant speak against it can you, nothing to say??
No its not the catholic canon your church never wrote it and dont own it, as for evidence i have posted before which you as always reject so ill close with one statement,

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

So many, even those from your own religion have given you pearls which you have chewed up and spat out. All good no more from me, and i dont have an ignore list, just not that childish, I only how that all will pray that you will come out the other side on fire for teh Lord filled with life and not that death you insist on spitting out at everyone.

As for those mods who are letting you get away with it all, they too have brought themselves under condemnation for letting you.

In other words - you ave absolutely ZERO evidence for your asinine claim that the Catholic Church "corrupted" the Scriptures.
That's what I thought . . .

 

[Stranger]

And YOU don't know who is "saved" and who is not.
That's not YOUR call - it's God's. Only God can read the heart - not YOU.

No - you don't believe in the Communion of the Saints because it was defined by the Catholic Church.

As for "reading a little further" - you are a textbook case of why Peter made the following statement about Paul's writings:
1 Pet. 3:!6
“…speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

Paul was writing to Christians in Rome whose beliefs were being polluted by the Judaizers, who were teaching that Christians had to observe the Mosaic Law for their salvation. You cannot "believe" unless you OBEY. Paul makes it clear that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness - and makes NO provision for Abraham simply having an "imputed" righteousness.

ALWAYS study the Scriptures in CONTEXT instead of just spouting off verses in total blind ignorance . . .

If only God can read the heart what is the Roman Church doing making saints of people?

You still refuse to answer my question. Why? That makes two questions.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

No - Peter was not to worry about whether or not John was to die or live forever.
NOTHING about not worrying about "other believers" and NOTHING about Peter not being in charge.

(John 22:21) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."

John was a believer, wasn't he? Jesus was telling Peter, don't worry about John. That is between Me and John. No authority of Peter here over other believers. Just like with the 7 churches in (Revelation). They answered to Christ alone. Not the pope and not Rome.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

As for those mods who are letting you get away with it all, they too have brought themselves under condemnation for letting you.

Getting away with what, exactly??
Exposing your lies?? That's a "bad" thing??

You're a very angry and confused person . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If only God can read the heart what is the Roman Church doing making saints of people?
Matt. 16:19
I will give you the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. WHATEVER you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
You still refuse to answer my question. Why? That makes two questions.
Stranger

I answered it. Your question was:
"So, again, do you believe that all those of the race of Adam who are believers, who are saved, are saints?"

You don't know WHO is saved so your question is moot.

 

[BreadOfLife]

(John 22:21) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."

John was a believer, wasn't he? Jesus was telling Peter, don't worry about John. That is between Me and John. No authority of Peter here over other believers. Just like with the 7 churches in (Revelation). They answered to Christ alone. Not the pope and not Rome.

Stranger

Jesus was speaking about John and NOBODY else but John.
There is nothing in this verse to indicate that He was talking about anybody else.

Anyway - I've already schooled you about the 7 ASIAN churches of Revelation.

 

[aspen]

But, it recognizes different categories of saints :
"After beatification, another miracle is needed for canonization and the formal declaration of sainthood." (from Catholic Education.org)

They are not different categories. It is a process of recognizing a saint. You have your own process that probably sounds wooden and arbitrary to other people, too