Jesus and Commands

[KBCid]

So here is an example of how a God fearing Christian who has the Holy Spirit would move along the path to righteousness.
The Christian contemplates doing something and the HS being the helper says if you do that it will be a sin against God...
now would you simply tell the HS that it is not possible to not sin against God and go ahead and keep doing what you were told not to?

Christ said ahead of our time that it is sinful to look on a woman with lust if your married so being a good Christian do you simply say well I can't keep that commandment because I'm not perfect and just go along with what the body wants to do?

Some things in this life seem so silly when you look at them from the reality perspective.

 

[GodsGrace]

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Most of them you break one you break them all,



None of them, keeping teh law justified no man, it only condemned them, Guilt is all it produces. What are you going to do, stand before Jesus and say, 'hey look Jesus I am as good as you, I did as you did, perfect". What foolishness.

The above is for KBCid.

But I really need to say how wrong everything you say is.

We know that if we break one law, we've broken them all.
So?
What exactly does this mean? That since I broke one (or more) I might as well go ahead and break them all? What doctrine do you follow?
Certainly not the doctrine as expressed by Paul who gave us a whole list of things NOT TO DO in 1 Corinthians 5:9-12

This means that even Paul, who preached grace, expects us to behave in a certain manner --- IOW, in the positive. Paul himself leaves us with many rules that pertain to the law of God.

You say keeping the law does not justify man.
WHO said that it does?
I think a big problem here is that the difference is not understood between justification and sanctification. I'm not posting the difference anymore because it seems as though no one really even reads it or everything would be clear.

When you stand before Jesus, you better not just say that you called on His name! He might reply as in Mathew 7:22-23

Remember that you WILL be judged by your works.
Jesus said it, not me.
John 5:28-29
JESUS says that the judgement will come...
those who did good deeds to a life of resurrection,
those who did evil deeds will be condemned.

Crying Lord Lord will NOT be enough.
And Jesus decries those who teach that the commandments have been abolished.
Mathew 5:19

 

[bbyrd009]

So which of these do you feel absolute comfort in not obeying?

ya, preaching/choir there lol, i agree with you

 

[KBCid]

No i am not, it is He that will perfect us, you are trying to perfect your flesh, it cant be done,
Well seems i am ignorant... please explain.

So you are saying that with the HS help you cannot be perfect of your own free will choice?

The sacrificial laws with all the animal sacrifices were the laws that the jews used to justify their existence before God.

 

[GodsGrace]

1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.

Are you saying Job never sinned
or are you saying he was blameless?

There is none righteous, no not one.
Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
NASB

 

[GodsGrace]

indeed Job was doing in the OT just as we are told to do in the NT.

Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Yet no where in the commandments does it imply that they can be fulfilled by Christ. Only the sacrificial laws were fulfilled in Christ.

So which of these do you feel absolute comfort in not obeying?
“You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”

bb agrees with you...

 

[GodsGrace]

Give up, wouldnt be here if I had would I??



And you are perfect because you did what?? We are perfected by Him and what He has done, it is not our doing, and it is why so many wont be ready for the wedding, as they wont have the garment he has given us to put on in preparation.



Simple we be ourselves and like the world see what God is doing in us, instead of putting on our plastic pretend faces and trying to to be what we are not.

Our world is full of plasitc people whos faces change to suit the need of the day.

1. What are the proper clothing?
Only YOU are wearing them?

2. Everyone has a plastic face except YOU?

Sounds really self-righteous to me coming from someone who believes that only Christ could make us righteous.

Has Christ failed then??

 

[bbyrd009]

Are you saying Job never sinned
or are you saying he was blameless?

ah, well i didn't mean to say, but since you ask i would say that since he repented, he obviously sinned, yet he was nonetheless blameless according to the law

There is none righteous, no not one.

8Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? No one else on earth is like him, a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and turns away from evil."

 

[KBCid]

bb agrees with you...

O.O
is today the last day? did anyone see a guy go by with horns on skates.

 

[GodsGrace]

How is God the law?

Stranger

Stranger,
You can't mean that question seriously!

I have to assume you're getting at something.

God has a character.
God has attributes.
Part of the character of God is MORALITY.
God is a MORAL God.
Do you doubt this??

How would God change?
God remains the same God.
Hebrews 13:8 And FOREVER!

If something was sin in the O.T.
It will surely be a sin also in the N.T.

The sins have not changed....
HOW we could keep from sinning all the time HAS CHANGED with the New Covenant.

Jesus died to atone for our sins. To make amends with God so that a relationship could be re-established with Him without cotinually sacrificing animals.

Jesus is the perfect sacrifice so no others will ever be needed again.
Our relationship with God has been restored...

That does not mean that we do not have to obey God's laws,
it only means that no more sacrifices will be necessary.

 

[mjrhealth]

The sacrificial laws with all the animal sacrifices were the laws that the jews used to justify their existence before God.

And keeping what law justifies you????

So you are saying that with the HS help you cannot be perfect of your own free will choice?

Well if it could we wouldnt need Jesus, because than we would be sinless and blameless, of our own doing.

 

[GodsGrace]

ah, well i didn't mean to say, but since you ask i would say that since he repented, he obviously sinned, yet he was nonetheless blameless according to the law

8Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? No one else on earth is like him, a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and turns away from evil."

>I agree that he was blameless.
But I'm sure he wasn't perfect...

 

[bbyrd009]

Well if it could we wouldnt need Jesus, because than we would be sinless and blameless, of our own doing.

imo this fails however if you have ever sinned in the past, even once, as all obviously have.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually is does not, it was given because we are imperfect, we where given His best but still men chose the old, the law and the flesh, which is all about you doing something, that is where the boasting comes in. Can you do better than Him,??? you know that free gift that you are busy tring to earn.... thats the boasting.

James 1:22

You really do need to stop thinking about boasting all the time and start doing what God wants you to do.

Oh. Am I assuming you don't do as God wishes?
Well, YOU also assume many things about some of us here.
Like, for instance, that we're trying to work our way to salvation.
It's unfortunate that you refuse to understand the difference.

 

[mjrhealth]

Remember that you WILL be judged by your works.
Jesus said it, not me.

Well that throws this out

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

and this

2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

was all about Him you made it all about you.

 

[bbyrd009]

>I agree that he was blameless.
But I'm sure he wasn't perfect...

well, i do note the word "perfect" in God's description of him, but strangely Job's confession seems to be about the very thing that God had just finished exonerating him for, his speech. I've been meaning to look into that, actually. Weird passage.

 

[KBCid]

No i am not, it is He that will perfect us, you are trying to perfect your flesh, it cant b

The above is for KBCid.
But I really need to say how wrong everything you say is.

I have saved this for a good moment and this would be one. James is speaking under inspiration of the HS and he is talking at a time after Christ has risen.... The time when some people believe that sin is a thing of the past and.... no worries mate all our sins are paid for.... Believe only and Christ has you covered.... and don't forget the donation plate being passed around... lol

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

If believers can't sin then what on earth could he be talking about?
I know you already know this GG

 

[bbyrd009]

Well that throws this out

ha, one v of Scripture throws another out? I don't think so wadr.

 

[GodsGrace]

well, i do note the word "perfect" in God's description of him, but strangely Job's confession seems to be about the very thing that God had just finished exonerating him for, his speech. I've been meaning to look into that, actually. Weird passage.

Don't look toooo deeply.
Job is probably the oldest book in the O.T.
Could it all be literal?
Did they speak in a different way than we do?
Dialectics, as it's called.
It does teach us things...

 

[Stranger]

Ok here is your test question;
Show me where it states in the OT that the 10 commandments could be fulfilled. This should be good.

What does this have to do with what I have asked? If it does, explain.

Stranger