Who’s interpretation is true?

[Marymog]

Jesus the Word of God made flesh is the authority, hence the actual authority is the Father who said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". hence the correct interpretation is the fulfillment thereof that is approved by the sender thereof.

Hi DPM,

Didn't you just interpret scripture to come to that conclusion? I thought that "Jesus the Word of God made flesh is the authority" to interpret scripture?

Your interpretation is true as long as there is no authority present to supersede your interpretation.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

whose authority is true in "seek your own salvation?"

I don't understand your question.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't understand your question.

ah, sorry; trying to get us to here:

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
(if you are led by an earthly intermediary, you must be under his law)
(and i do not mean to label this "bad" or "evil" ok; i love the current pope)

"As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the LORD: "My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring's offspring," says the LORD, "from now and forever."

But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

 

[Marymog]

ah, sorry; trying to get us to here:

For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
(if you are led by an earthly intermediary, you must be under his law)
(and i do not mean to label this "bad" or "evil" ok; i love the current pope)

"As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the LORD: "My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring's offspring," says the LORD, "from now and forever."

But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

I fail to understand what all of that has to do with your original question: Whose authority is true in "seek your own salvation?"

Mary

 

[Willie T]

So does the mother tell each one of us something different?

good Q imo--does a mother treat all of her children the same?

Absolutely not! It would be a very poor mother who treated one particular child the same as all the rest of her children.

 

[GodsGrace]

or Catholics, whatever. Protestants do not refer to it iow.

bb
Where did Christianity come from?
Do you think the first couple of generations after Jesus were, maybe, the first Christians?
What does Catholic or Protestant have to do with it?

The Didache was written by the first generation of Christians, between 90 AD and 120 AD. About, probably closer to 90.
Do we hate Catholics so much that we're not even willing to listen to what the first Christians, who were Catholics (universal) had to say??

I find that unfortunate.

 

[bbyrd009]

I fail to understand what all of that has to do with your original question: Whose authority is true in "seek your own salvation?"

Mary

If so, who's authority is TRUE when interpreting scripture?

 

[GodsGrace]

good Q imo--does a mother treat all of her children the same?

Here we go,
treating God like a human.

OK.
A good mother will feed and clothe all her children and show the same love to all of them.
She will teach each one the same wise sayings and help them to grow up smart and kind.

But each one is an individual and may need something done a little differently. But the basics will be the same.

 

[bbyrd009]

bb
Where did Christianity come from?

you'd hafta define which Christianity you mean for me to reply; political, ecumenical, or financial?

 

[GodsGrace]

"behold, I stand at the door and knock..."

Just trying to make a point.
I agree with you.
But some believe God chooses who will be saved.
How do we know who is right?
The first Christians that knew the Apostles will tell you...

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you think the first couple of generations after Jesus were, maybe, the first Christians?

For I know that after my departure, vicious wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock

so ya, prolly that is when the Christianity we are fam with today got rolling

 

[GodsGrace]

interesting to me the amount of trouble one has extracting a single "absolute" truth from Scripture though

ha-quote us a plain statement then

All the 10 commandments.
Even the secular world lives by them.
They are absolute truths, not situational truths.
They never change.
Murder will always be wrong.
Stealing is always wrong.
etc.

 

[bbyrd009]

What does Catholic or Protestant have to do with it?

well let's be honest they are two completely different belief systems

 

[GodsGrace]

you'd hafta define which Christianity you mean for me to reply; political, ecumenical, or financial?

I'm not as smart as you are...
To me Christianity means following Christ.
Living in the Kingdom of God the best I can.

I do know that even in churches there is political stuff going on.
I know this from experience and from seeing it with others.
Financial, yeah, I guess so. It costs money to run churches.
I guess that's what you mean...
So when we speak of Christianity, I always think of ecumenical.
Maybe not even that...

 

[bbyrd009]

Do we hate Catholics so much that we're not even willing to listen to what the first Christians, who were Catholics (universal) had to say??

I find that unfortunate.

ha i love Catholics, they have a lot to teach imo. So i don't mean that at all, sorry if i intimated as much. i forget that ppl are, become, can be personally attached to their beliefs. The RCC is primarily a political body, and then financial, and only then ecumenical; but this does not describe "Catholics," the nation (people) however. So, two diff subjects.

 

[bbyrd009]

But each one is an individual and may need something done a little differently. But the basics will be the same.

amen, and we find in Scripture that we will not be judged the same, either; and a sin for you may not be a sin for me, etc. All of the same elements we find reflected in family, i think.

 

[GodsGrace]

well let's be honest they are two completely different belief systems

The Catholic church has its doctrines, just like any church does.
Jimmy Swaggart says you don't have the Holy Spirit indwelling if you don't speak in tongues.
Mr. Ceflo Dollar says I'm never supposed to get sick and I'm supposed to be rich.
Joseph Prince tells me I'm not even supposed to ask for forgiveness for every sin because they've already all been forgiven. (He might have changed his mind recently- not sure) and that I don't have to obey the law because I love God and my faith will save me. Which it does, but some stuff comes after my salvation.

So, you should read the didache sometime on the net and then tell me what you don't like about it.
IT'S JUST FINE...

 

[GodsGrace]

amen, and we find in Scripture that we will not be judged the same, either; and a sin for you may not be a sin for me, etc. All of the same elements we find reflected in family, i think.

Sure.
I used to teach kids that the Church (capital C) is like a family.
Love, same objectives, helping each other, etc.
I agree re the sinning and the judging.
To whom much is given...

 

[bbyrd009]

But some believe God choose who will be saved.
How do we know who is right?

God is not willing that any should perish, right, and God's Will gets done, so the predestination argument is generally put in the wrong frame imo

 

[GodsGrace]

ha i love Catholics, they have a lot to teach imo. So i don't mean that at all, sorry if i intimated as much. i forget that ppl are, become, can be personally attached to their beliefs. The RCC is primarily a political body, and then financial, and only then ecumenical; but this does not describe "Catholics," the nation (people) however. So, two diff subjects.

Right.
I also see it as a political and financial system.
But my friends here, who are all Catholics, are just trying to please God and be nice people. Go figure, some of them are actually saved the way we understand it!