For everyone reading along...including the moderator.
This will show how a thought does not follow through, and who is truely ignorant here...:
Post 396:
jimd:
As far as my salvation goes, what any theologian or church believes matters not a whit , only my personal relationship with God counts for anything.
Post 401:
GodsGrace:
How would you know anything about a personal relationship had not a church or theologian put it in your mind?
post 403:
jimd:
Ro.1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
2:11 For there is no partiality with God.12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
post 404:
GodsGrace:
What does the above have to do with a personal relationship the way it's understood today??
The above is referring to the fact that God has always been perceivable to them that care to perceive.
The concept of a personal relationship with God did not exist till recently.
I'd say the 20th century.
Before this God was known as the Almighty creator of heaven and Earth who had to be worshipped and obeyed.
As He does today also.
post 405:
jimd:
After years of study and with bible in hand, you can write a post like this??? Amazing!!! No wonder Paul said a woman should be quiet in church
post 408:
jimd:
And David and Moses and Joshua and Caleb etc, etc and innumerable others whom we are not given details of. It is just mind boggling how we can study the bible and Gods creation for years and still be so ignorant.
So how did we go from having a conversation about how things are learned from a church or a theologian about a personal savior, since it is not learned from the bible??
Billy Graham used this term first in the 1950's.
We can be friends and sons of God, but an understanding of Him as a personal savior did NOT always exist.
Maybe if some history would be studied before calling others ignorant, it would help others along to learn some things.
There's much to learn and it doesn't happen by having a closed mind.
Ooops. Was that an insult? Guess it doesn't matter here...