Charles Spurgeon's Sanity Litmus Test (are you insane?)

[GodsGrace]

i usually refrain from liking a post like that, even if i agree with the premise, myself. But i would say that you are reading the wrong thing into those, and ppl are prolly not liking for the denigration, but because they agree with the premise.

I agree. But I also agree with you.
I'd never like a post where there's something not nice going on.

 

[amadeus]

Thanks for taking the time to write.
Here's how I feel:
I came here to discuss God and biblical principles, not to be criticized and called names because some do not agree with me. AND then some give Likes to those who name-call.

This is not right. Let alone the fact that I've come across some pretty unusual concepts while here, and I've never demeaned anyone for it.

It seems to me that persons argue more than discuss.
This could be stopped by the moderators by instituting the following rules:
No one should comment on the condition of the soul of another poster.

No one should discuss a poster in a thread unless it's to mention something they said regarding the subject and the person should be advised of this by using the @ sign.

No one should demean another poster or name-call.

And no one should use capital letters and colors throughout a post as if the other person were dumb or couldn't read.

Persons could be banned for a month at a time, or they could be banned forever if the above are not adhered to. It would cut down on all the nonsense that goes on.

Rules are there for a purpose. They should be kept by all.

I certainly agree that there is too much unnecessarily personal stuff for which no one apparently is at least warned and at worst banned. If they were we would know about it because the person disappears or cleans up his act.

When people use a lot of capitals and mixed colors it requires more concentration on my part to read them so usually I pass them by completely.

I also pass by completely long posts with a small font, no spacing between lines and no paragraphing. It is simply a lot of work for these old eyes to read it with any kind of understanding and no resulting headache.

Maybe a kind moderator will read these suggestions of ours and see if any of them can be implemented.

 

[bbyrd009]

I agree. But I also agree with you.
I'd never like a post where there's something not nice going on.

ya, unfortunately the post often makes a decent point, too, and then gets ruined by the name-calling imo. The message ends up getting diminished.

 

[bbyrd009]

When people use a lot of capitals and mixed colors it requires more concentration on my part to read them so usually I pass them by completely.

problem solved, right

 

[GodsGrace]

How can The Church be 'individuals who have given their lives to him"?

If The Church is, as you say, individuals then that means that The Church has millions of different "truths" since we all interpret scripture differently. I thought scripture has only one Truth?

In His service...Mary

Yes MM
But the CC is going to go the same way if what we see continues to happen. This pope is going to change DOGMA, he really already has, it just can't be accepted yet.

Instead of sticking to dogma, he's saying that each individual case should be considered. Different bishops believe differently and they are not reprimanded. Not only that but they allow priests to TEACH what the individual priest believes.

I'm going to order the CCC with the new comments. Can't wait to see it.

I must confuse everyone here. I used to be Catholic. Became Protestant many years ago. I see the good and the bad in both.
I love both. I dislike both for the wrong.

I'm a mess!
(not really)

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe a kind moderator will read these suggestions of ours and see if any of them can be implemented.

vote with your feet imo, just like the skipping a multi-colored post thing.

 

[GodsGrace]

unfortunately in practice the one getting advised there is as likely to take offense at being tagged as not. Not saying that this is a bad idea, just that it often does not have the intended effect.
no one should engage with someone that offends them either, but a law won't solve that either, i guess. i'm an idealist myself ok, i don't disagree with you on any of these in principle, but imo the remedy is forgiveness, not judgement.

Will PM you.

 

[amadeus]

problem solved, right

Absolutely, but sometimes such posts may have had a nugget of gold in it. Too bad people don't realize that what they use to catch a person's attention may turn them off without a hearing [reading].

 

[amadeus]

vote with your feet imo, just like the skipping a multi-colored post thing.

Again, yes, for this is what I do. There are lots of posts and I do belong to other forums. If I want something read there is no shortage. Skipping posts which are difficult for me to read is an easy step to take.

Probably everyone who posts anything is hopeful at least in a measure that someone will read their posts. If they read this thread maybe they will think about changing their ways.

 

[GodsGrace]

Again, yes, for this is what I do. There are lots of posts and I do belong to other forums. If I want something read there is no shortage. Skipping posts which are difficult for me to read is an easy step to take.

Probably everyone who posts anything is hopeful at least in a measure that someone will read their posts. If they read this thread maybe they will think about changing their ways.

It's nice if someone reads our posts!
But basically I read to hear other's opinions, then if I don't agree I like to say why. It's nice to discuss. When I first got here, one gal told me she wouldn't even speak to me anymore! It's incredible. What did I do???

So yes. It's good to read, to be read, to reply, to discuss. I respect you even though we don't agree on every little thing. It's OK. It's good to hear different thoughts. That doesn't mean one has to accept them...

 

[amadeus]

It's nice if someone reads our posts!
But basically I read to hear other's opinions, then if I don't agree I like to say why. It's nice to discuss. When I first got here, one gal told me she wouldn't even speak to me anymore! It's incredible. What did I do???

So yes. It's good to read, to be read, to reply, to discuss. I respect you even though we don't agree on every little thing. It's OK. It's good to hear different thoughts. That doesn't mean one has to accept them...

I read in part because I enjoy friendly discussion. When it gets too unfriendly I need to strive to withdraw from it. Unfortunately I am also human. I don't anger easily, but if someone pushed the right buttons it can be done. Ask my wife. She used to get mad at me because she could not make me angry, but eventually she learned how to do it.

Sometimes I read in order to help someone who seems to be really looking for help. I sometimes simply pray for them, especially if I have no advice to offer that is really likely to be of help. If I do then I will post it.

 

[Richard_oti]

From my perspective: I disagree with any call for more or heavier "moderation".

That we even need such, is a testimony against us from my perspective. For it reveals that we lack self-control.

Paraphrased: 2Ti 1:7 For God gave us not a spirit of fear; but of power and love and self-control.

To be a "Moderator", is a tough job. It is harder than many of us perhaps realize. For the every move and decision of a Moderator is scrutinized, called hypocrisy from any number of people. Of which, it seems to usually depend upon what side that person happens to be upon.

Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as those who must give account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Let not our lack of self-control make the job of a Moderator a burden rather than a joy.

To be a moderator, can be a lonely job. So let's make their lives easier, and rather than to call for more or heavier moderation, let us put into practice self-control. For in this, we learn of one another, but more importantly, we learn or at least we should, with regard to ourselves. How do we take things? How do we respond? Any number of such questions. There is much to be gleaned from introspection with regard to this. For it can reveal to us, places which we need to address within ourselves. To often, our offense, comes from our own unrealized projection.

Too much moderation, while we may think that we desire it, will actually kill a forum. As @bbyrd009 is also fond of quoting regarding "give us a king". Too much moderation, and we shall remove from amoungst ourselves all but those that we find acceptable. Before long, you have a boring forum with only a handful of members and no source to generate discussions. For like it or not, it is that with which we disagree, that generates the most discussion.

Those we "dislike" or that we think should be moderated, shall always be. Even if they are banned, they can return in guise. Better as someone else stated, I think is was @amadeus, though it could have been Bbyrd009, to allow them to reveal themselves for whom they truly are.

As @bbyrd009 has repeatedly stated, it is about forgiveness. That combined with self-control, is a near unbeatable combination.

There is much that could be written upon this. But I say, let us look unto ourselves first.

Anyway, just my 1/2 cent.

 

[Richard_oti]

BTW: IMO: This recent turn in this thread, is for the good of each of us. However, under (more) moderation, this "living" turn of the thread could not have happened as it has.

 

[Marymog]

Yes MM
But the CC is going to go the same way if what we see continues to happen. This pope is going to change DOGMA, he really already has, it just can't be accepted yet.

Instead of sticking to dogma, he's saying that each individual case should be considered. Different bishops believe differently and they are not reprimanded. Not only that but they allow priests to TEACH what the individual priest believes.

I'm going to order the CCC with the new comments. Can't wait to see it.

I must confuse everyone here. I used to be Catholic. Became Protestant many years ago. I see the good and the bad in both.
I love both. I dislike both for the wrong.

I'm a mess!
(not really)

The pope can not change the dogma of The Church. The dogma of The Church are truths of the faith revealed by Jesus Christ, taught by the apostles, and handed down by the apostles to their successors. Since revealed truth cannot change the dogma can not change.

Just because a pope says something i.e. each individual case should be considered, his spoken word doesn't make it dogma. As a former Catholic you should know this.

IHS...Mary

 

[Richard_oti]

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I knew there was more to you than meets the eye. BTW: I have enjoyed your thread on forgiveness.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have enjoyed your thread on forgiveness.

ty, it is for me a hard concept that seems really easy lol. Being called names is intrinsic to it too, even if i guess i can't expect everyone to feel the same way i do there

 

[jimd]

Your original post was bad enough.
Then you compounded the mistake by using the term "ignorant".

Like when you used the term weird in replying to me?

 

[bbyrd009]

Like when you used the term weird in replying to me?

mmm-hmm

 

[GodsGrace]

The pope can not change the dogma of The Church. The dogma of The Church are truths of the faith revealed by Jesus Christ, taught by the apostles, and handed down by the apostles to their successors. Since revealed truth cannot change the dogma can not change.

Just because a pope says something i.e. each individual case should be considered, his spoken word doesn't make it dogma. As a former Catholic you should know this.

IHS...Mary

Hi MM

Have you read the article by Sosa on the Pope creating a "liquid society"?
This means that once the CC was very strict in it's beliefs and held firm to it's doctrine.
I do see this as changing ...

At one time, just a few years ago, it was not possible for remarried couple's to receive communion.
This is due to the fact that marriage is a covenant between God and the couple and covenants cannot be broken. Same ideas as a priest is always a priest even if he gives up the priesthood.

When the decision becomes made to allow remarried couple's to have the ability to receive Communion,
It becomes an admission that ...

1. A mistake had been made before

2. Marriage is not a covenant and divorce is possible

3. What used to be a mortal sin is no longer a sin

This is not a change in dogma in your opinion?

 

[GodsGrace]

Like when you used the term weird in replying to me?

Weird, strange, odd
An idea could be the above.
It does not mean stupid.