It's not about "mouthing words".
It's about accepting or rejecting Christ.
Islam rejects Jesus as the Savior of the world.
even neater than that - Islam accepts Jesus but is anti Christ imho - twinc
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It's not about "mouthing words".
It's about accepting or rejecting Christ.
Islam rejects Jesus as the Savior of the world.
Yes, they accept Him only as a prophet - but reject His role as Savior.even neater than that - Islam accepts Jesus but is anti Christ imho - twinc
I was not talking about any group of men of flesh as a whole or what any such group be they labeled as Christian or Catholic or Islamic or Mormon or JW or other. No one person can join God and His Son by going through any group's rituals or prescribed pathway and never connecting directly with God. This is not the law as God gave it to Moses.It's not about "mouthing words".
It's about accepting or rejecting Christ.
Islam rejects Jesus as the Savior of the world.
Okey, thank you, i better stay away from this conversation. But i somehow think that this actually is not a Christian forum, comparing to other Christian forums.
And if you had bothered to actually read my posts - I already said that it is not up to us to condemn a person's soul. That's God's call.I was not talking about any group of men of flesh as a whole or what any such group be they labeled as Christian or Catholic or Islamic or Mormon or JW or other. No one person can join God and His Son by going through any group's rituals or prescribed pathway and never connecting directly with God. This is not the law as God gave it to Moses.
Perhaps you have in your heart accepted Christ, but neither you nor I can know what someone more ignorant than us in the scriptures has or has not done which God has understood. This can only be known by God, which is why the final judgment regarding people is not ours to make.
I would like to qualify that assessment.Welcome to the Site.
Please do not judge whole Site or it members on just this one Thread...there are many good none-argumentative members on this site...not all of us enjoy arguing in circles, which is mostly what happens on the Catholic V Protestant threads....of which there are far too many!!!
Ezek. 36:25-27 – the Lord promises He will sprinkle us with water to cleanse us from sin and give us a new heart and spirit. Paul refers to this verse in Heb. 10:22. The teaching of Ezekiel foreshadows the salvific nature of Christian baptism instituted by Jesus and taught in John 3:5, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21 and Acts 22:16.As Christians, we need to know water doesn't take sins away, water doesn't save, faith does but a water baptism can help show us, as a symbol, that we are new creations.
A water baptism is important for those who do not quite understand that it is only the blood of Jesus that cleanses us and He has done what pleases God in our place and to undergo a water baptism is a way for us to grasp what a resurrected life means and it is a way for us to show our desire to please God.
We are born again with water and the spirit, not scriptures.Matthew 28:19, Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
What is a born again requirement? To be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and to do so, water is not used as a way of believing the Trinitarian view, scriptures are. Jesus forgives sin, God does too. Jesus receives worship, so does God. Jesus is good and Jesus said only God is good. Jesus is King of Kings, so is God, etc. Is someone truly born again without knowing Jesus is God?
John 3:3, Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
That does not negate the requirement for baptism. Just because something is absent from a verse does not mean it is non-existent.John 7:38, Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
So are you going to be the one to stand before God and demand He throws all those people out of heaven because according to you they have to be baptized, this is one reason why it says,That does not negate the requirement for baptism. Just because something is absent from a verse does not mean it is non-existent.
Oh I did read yours, but while you may have read mine, I am certain that you did not understand all that I wrote. I am praying for you and yours.And if you had bothered to actually read my posts - I already said that it is not up to us to condemn a person's soul. That's God's call.
However, Baptism IS required (Mark 16:16, John 3:5) - and one cannot hope to have eternal life if he rejects Christ (Luke 10:16). We're NOT talking about invincible ignorance here - but rejection.
Yes, they accept Him only as a prophet - but reject His role as Savior.
yes, and i will def be taking the word of Nehushtan worshippers for this lol. You girls had your chance to witness against Muslims and you were silent, but now you wanna parrot the party line. See what you will see ok. Judge others' servants to your hearts' content alright, i can freely declare you both hypocrites when you do. I have the evidence in my hand, right now.even neater than that - Islam accepts Jesus but is anti Christ imho - twinc
I would like to qualify that assessment.
It's not Catholic vs. Protestant. It's anti-Catholic lies vs. Catholics.
Not all Protestants are anti-Catholics. There are some on this forum who realize that ALL Christians have a kinship in Christ - albeit separated.
Amen.Sorry, you are obviously correct.
I don't mind discussing the differences in our beliefs , but it does get nasty and obviously on both sides of the argument.
I as you know, do still believe that we must be family because even though very differently, we do worship the same TRUE God. Therefore Catholics are my friends not my enemies. When the chips are down...and as fast as things are moving right now, it wont be long...before we find ourselves standing shoulder to shoulder against the common enemy of our faith.
We will in time...not too long hence...be called to die side by side for what and in Whom we believe.
.......Helen
And what evidence is that?yes, and i will def be taking the word of Nehushtan worshippers for this lol. You girls had your chance to witness against Muslims and you were silent, but now you wanna parrot the party line. See what you will see ok. Judge others' servants to your hearts' content alright, i can freely declare you both hypocrites when you do. I have the evidence in my hand, right now.
i'll take that over a big doughnut where my opp to actually witness the fruit and put my money where my mouth is should be, ty.And what evidence is that?
All you have are aberrant beliefs that don't have a whole lot to do with Christianity . . .
Translation:i'll take that over a big doughnut where my opp to actually witness the fruit and put my money where my mouth is should be, ty.
I was not talking about any group of men of flesh as a whole or what any such group be they labeled as Christian or Catholic or Islamic or Mormon or JW or other. No one person can join God and His Son by going through any group's rituals or prescribed pathway and never connecting directly with God. This is not the law as God gave it to Moses.
Perhaps you have in your heart accepted Christ, but neither you nor I can know what someone more ignorant than us in the scriptures has or has not done which God has understood. This can only be known by God, which is why the final judgment regarding people is not ours to make.
God knows who the heretics and devils are. and most of them you will find in church, as for saints, Jesus seems to have no problem finding people in church, just cant seem to find anyone willing to follow after Him, but such is teh trouble that religion has caused Godexactly = not ours to make = that is why we have the Church to separate the heretics and devils from the saints - twinc
God knows who the heretics and devils are. and most of them you will find in church, as for saints, Jesus seems to have no problem finding people in church, just cant seem to find anyone willing to follow after Him, but such is teh trouble that religion has caused God
a good cop out - here religion and elsewhere the Holy Spirit gets the blame and not human devils claiming inspiration, guidance and indwelling etc - twinc
Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water AND Spirit.is water and Spirit = not Spirit alone or water alone or even Spirit and water - twinc