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According to some, Pope Benedict XVI was to be the last Pope but not according to Rev.17. As for Barack Obama being the last president, there are ten kings who have yet to receive their crowns. Could Obama have sealed the deal during his presidency, to become a king who will yet be given a kingdom to preside over? Could he still be relevant for a beast system reign? He performed enough debauchery as president to validate his servitude to satan. He most definitely is a contender. Don't under estimate the times we are living in. And do not be duped by the "so called" Trump reign either. Things are not always what they seem to be. Trump isn't going to defeat this beast system. He will be played by its true heads who have much, much more power and money- they control the money! As for prophets, are you saying people can not have things revealed to them by God concerning the evil times we are in and are only going to get worst? You must forget what the Lord said:Acts2:17 And in the last days it shall be , God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; yea and on my menservants and my maidservants in those days I will pour out My Spirit; and they shall prophesy. Perhaps you can't prophesy that doesn't mean others don't. Curious??? God Bless!
 

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No do not hold your breath. Perhaps you have heard this all the years of your life. You have not heard it from me.

Oy vey.


And I have not heard this of Pope Francis until recent years. Prophecy reveals this actually in Rev.17 Lateran Treaty of 1929, this gave us the last kings of the Vatican. When this treaty was established it made Vatican City a kingdom within a kingdom =Rome and gives us our final eight Popes. When St. John saw this in his vision he saw the sixth Pope and his Reign . This was Pope John Paul the II, for in the prophecy it states: 5 of whom have fallen= 5 have died, one is=PJP2, the other has not yet come =Pope Benedict XVI. Of him it says: And when he comes he must remain ONLY a little while. This speaks to the fact his reign will be cut short, he stepped down before it was up and his reign was short, relative to PJP2's reign. Pope Benedict was the seventh.

At the time of the writing of the Apokalupsis, five had fallen. Thus, this can not be referring to some Pope(s) centuries later.

Let me ask you this: Who was the "little horn" of Daniel 8?

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Oy vey.




At the time of the writing of the Apokalupsis, five had fallen. Thus, this can not be referring to some Pope(s) centuries later.

Let me ask you this: Who was the "little horn" of Daniel 8?

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PROPHECY=FUTURE EVENTS, HELLO! Absolutely talking about the future. God Bless!
 

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There are no popes mentioned in Rev. 17. The only places referring to the papacy is Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture. False interpretations haven't stopped since.

Dan. 2:44 But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever.


Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

Jer. 33:17 For thus saith the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representatives throughout history.

When the 9th Pope comes up, your prediction of 8 popes will disappear into the putrid backwaters of fundie false prophesies.

Jesus promised the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, stop calling Him a liar.

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Daniel 8:1

In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).
THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST.
There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.

There is much talk of "tribulation" while anti-Catholics inflict it.

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Dan. 2:44 But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever.

Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

Jer. 33:17 For thus saith the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

The Pope is a bishop, not a king.

Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representatives throughout history.

When the 9th Pope comes up, your prediction of 8 popes will disappear into the putrid backwaters of fundie false prophesies.

Jesus promised the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, stop calling Him a liar.
Give me a break! What does the Lateran Treaty of 1929 state? Is Vatican City a kingdom within a kingdom?
 

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The Kingdom of heaven is within, and is not of this world. Of course it can not be destroyed because it is SUPERNATURAL. The KINGDOMS of men shall be destroyed. As a matter of fact, 2 Peter states : But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and THEN the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the ELEMENTS will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that ARE UPON IT WILL BE BURNED UP. This of Course at the sound of the Last Trumpet TEKIAH GEDOLAH which will be the shout of The ALPHA and the OMEGA Himself, and the voice of Arch Angel.
This obviously proves Christ's kingdom is in His chosen and can not be destroyed.

And at His return, the dead in Christ shall rise first and be taken up, and those of us who remain will be snatched up and be transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. And will meet the Lord and His angels in the heavens. Those who are alive to see Christ's return will not be martyred. They will go through hell though. This is the Snatching Up or what some call the "Rapture". Rapture actually means ecstasy. But for sake of argument I mention it , to give clarity to all. The Rapture is at the end of the tribulation.
 

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The Beast of the sea, the beast of the land>> Read your bible please>>AAAAAAAAAAAAAA<> Can anyone read their bible >>AAAAA<<>>>> A 10 year old can understand but I see the most smarrtty pants people on this forum can not !! There will 2 MMMM >> No? Anti>false one!!>>not hard to understand>> Its denial>> all the way baby!!>>that's it >>leave the denial >>a 10 year old can understand!Enjoy

I agree with the part that a 10 year old can understand! for it is written that Israel was to have a 7th year Sabbath, all year they were to do nothing, except go to the Temple and hear the words of Moses Preached, so that that 7 year old would hear, understand, and keep or obey what was written, or spoken! also there are many that do read, but there are far to many that don't! Most sheepole just listen to what their Shepard tells them, and consider it to be Meat!
 

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I've had 4 children and there is no way a 10 year old can read and understand Revelation, or Leviticus, or Ecclesiastes, or Daniel. That is a cliche invented by fake pastors. Where is it written that Israel was to have a 7th year Sabbath and do nothing except go to the Temple? Please...enlighten me. Maybe you should submit to a minister with far more education than you and stop being in a church of one.

I'll say it again. People who have been brainwashed into thinking the Catholic Church is the whore of babble-on or the Pope is the anti-Christ are mentally ill and need counselling or deprogramming. It's a spiritual sickness. It's not bible-based, it's hate based.
 
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PROPHECY=FUTURE EVENTS, HELLO! Absolutely talking about the future. God Bless!

Do you consider Daniel "prophecy"? If so, is all of Daniel still future at this point in time?

If all of Daniel is not still future, perhaps you would be so kind as to offer a succinct example.
 

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Do you consider Daniel "prophecy"? If so, is all of Daniel still future at this point in time?

If all of Daniel is not still future, perhaps you would be so kind as to offer a succinct example.
Some of Daniel's prophecies have already unfolded, some are presently unfolding with its climatic end centrally focused on Israel . It is close at hand and the processes leading to this- underway. As succinctly as possible is impossible because his prophesy concerning these end times is broad, and there is meaning within meaning. But I will say this, pertaining to Israel, when the end time Elect is FULLY present in Israel so too will be he, who will reject the god's of his fathers. He will worship a god of fortresses a strange, foreign or (alien) god as some bibles have interpreted. I have touched based on this in previous post.

Don't you find it strange that there is some new foreign god? We know through Solomon's words " All that is or will be has already been and there is nothing new under the sun." And Yeshua said:" as in the days of Noah shall it be at the Coming of the Son of Man". So what is this god, which will direct him to claim himself (This end time king) as god. I say; the same old fallen ones, under a new guise that will be and is now widely accepted by millions. It is promoted by many groups in science and government, "Extraterrestrial" . I believe this will be the last and final deception. Satan can not present himself to the masses as he is. He has reinvented himself. And this elaborate deception has been in design for years building to its climax. The mark will come to Israel through this deception. I believe the abomination of desolation symbolism is already present in Israel. The dome of the rock where the Islamic Mosque is- represents , how, and through whom Israel will be attacked. It has on it a symbol of a demonic cherub which actually looks alien. The two ended cherub is a mockery of what was presented on the OT Ark of the Covenant. It will be through Islam this man will come.

He will have NO affection, or regard for women or as some bibles read ,"for the god loved by women." Daniel11:37 . Some have said this means he will be gay. I do not believe that myself but anything is possible with these nut cases. Since he comes up in Islam though, he will not has affection for women, and therefore not be influenced by them. He will reject the gods of his fathers by declaring himself god. And will be the embodiment of the god of fortresses. He will be embraced and promoted by the Masonic Free Mason Jews=Illuminati= Luciferian... who will sign a peace deal with him after he invades Israel. Now, it says in Daniel's prophecy he will reject the gods of his fathers, for an alien or foreign one, a god of fortresses and also calls himself god by this. Daniel11:38. Fortresses is a clue- this is the angel of the abyss Rev.9:11. I know the order of events .The angel of the abyss will rise after the prophecy of the two witnesses is complete. The angel out of the abyss governs the beast out of the earth. This system will not rise until after the nourishment period of the Bride is complete. The beast out of the sea is already here Rev.13. A blow to the head by the Lamb is coming. This is the first Woe Rev.12:12, first trumpet Rev.8 :7 and the sixth seal, Rev.6:12. It is interesting to me that Rev 6:12= 666. This is where the mark of the beast will come in. When those who retreat into the earth, in and under the mountains,and will rise after the dust settles from the Retribution of the Lamb, this New Beast system with new players will wage war on the Saints. And the Mark will be instituted globally and in Israel. The Rev.12 sign has come to its completion with its final representation on about Nov.13th 2017 with the rising of the star of Bethlehem in its conclusion. The end time Elect is here and will be brought to Israel some time prior or just after the first Woe. The second Woe will come after the resurrection of the witnesses Rev11:13-14. So, since the Rev12 sign is completed in the heavens it has its counterpart on earth. There is too much to post and discuss in one post. Get prepared for the Retribution of the Lamb. This video link proves my point on a sign on the earth. The alien god. God Bless!



 
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Lev 25:4 ... the seventh year shall be a sabbath of solemn rest for the land ...
Yes your right, but they were not to sow, prune or harvest anything that grew up on its own! they were getting a year vacation, the books of Moses were to be read to all that came up to Jerusalem!
 

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I've had 4 children and there is no way a 10 year old can read and understand Revelation, or Leviticus, or Ecclesiastes, or Daniel. That is a cliche invented by fake pastors. Where is it written that Israel was to have a 7th year Sabbath and do nothing except go to the Temple? Please...enlighten me. Maybe you should submit to a minister with far more education than you and stop being in a church of one.

I'll say it again. People who have been brainwashed into thinking the Catholic Church is the whore of babble-on or the Pope is the anti-Christ are mentally ill and need counselling or deprogramming. It's a spiritual sickness. It's not bible-based, it's hate based.

Israel was Commanded to keep every 7th year as a Sabbath rest for the land, and they were not to sow, prune, or harvest anything that grew up of its own, they could eat of what grew up on its own, it was also for the Widows, and the Poor. Which gave them time to go up to Temple and hear Moses taught, and it states "so that 7 year old" could hear, understand, and be obedient to the Word of God! IT"S THERE!
 

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Israel was Commanded to keep every 7th year as a Sabbath rest for the land, and they were not to sow, prune, or harvest anything that grew up of its own, they could eat of what grew up on its own, it was also for the Widows, and the Poor. Which gave them time to go up to Temple and hear Moses taught, and it states "so that 7 year old" could hear, understand, and be obedient to the Word of God! IT"S THERE!
It is every Jubilee year.

but the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath of rest, a sabbath unto the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field nor prune thy vineyard. .... From all tillage of it, from planting and cultivating any sort of trees in it; and even from digging pits, ditches; and caves, as say the Jewish writers (m): and this was ...

THE 7th YEAR SABBATH & THE JUBILEE Our Creator commanded us to let the land rest every 7 years. Ex 23:10-11 10 And six years you shall sow your land, and shall gather in the fruits thereof: 11 But the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie still; that the poor of your people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of ...

The prophecy involves the Jubilee Year cycle every 50 years. I should point out there's much controversy about pinpointing Jubilee Years because they have not been observed in Israel since ancient times, while no one is 100 percent certain about when they should occur on the modern Hebrew calendar.
 

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There are no popes mentioned in Rev. 17. The only places referring to the papacy is Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture. False interpretations haven't stopped since.

Dan. 2:44 But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever.


Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

Jer. 33:17 For thus saith the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representatives throughout history.

When the 9th Pope comes up, your prediction of 8 popes will disappear into the putrid backwaters of fundie false prophesies.

Jesus promised the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, stop calling Him a liar.

Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary
Daniel 8:1

In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).
THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST.
There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.

There is much talk of "tribulation" while anti-Catholics inflict it.

anticatholicism.jpg
I have questions for you kepha is Anti-Catholicism anything that speaks against the Pope or Christ? Or is both? And if one is not of Roman "Catholicism" are they Anti-Christ? Where was Catholicism first preached and which apostle first used the term Catholic?





Do you agree with the Popes stance on this? Yes or No?
Now, there is no lie being conveyed by me here- nor was there a lie in the thread that certain Catholics reported and complained about, which was removed. Do you stand behind his proclamation?
 
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I have question for you kepha is Anti-Catholicism anything that speaks against the Pope or Christ?





Do you agree with the Popes stance on this? Yes or No?
Now, there is no lie being conveyed by me here- nor was there a lie in the thread that certain Catholics reported and complained about, which was removed. Do you stand behind his proclamation?
There are no popes mentioned in Rev. 17. The only places referring to the papacy is Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later after Peter’s investiture. False interpretations haven't stopped since.

Dan. 2:44 But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever.


Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

Jer. 33:17 For thus saith the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel.

Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representatives throughout history.

When the 9th Pope comes up, your prediction of 8 popes will disappear into the putrid backwaters of fundie false prophesies.

Jesus promised the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, stop calling Him a liar.

Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary
Daniel 8:1

In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too).
THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST.
There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom.

There is much talk of "tribulation" while anti-Catholics inflict it.

anticatholicism.jpg
Are we all children of God or are we all created by God? It is by faith in Jesus that we are called children of God, is it not? I am open to here your explanation. Please explain your stance concerning "CHILDREN OF GOD". God Bless!
 

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Some of Daniel's prophecies have already unfolded

Glad I asked for the succinct version <chuckle>.

Would you care to name one specific thing? Just one.

Now, considering that you have clearly stated that some of Daniel has already unfolded, is it not also reasonable to think that some of Revelation has also unfolded? Which, according to your post, it has.

Revelation clearly states, five are fallen, that does not relegate them to some distant future. They are fallen, at the time of the writing of Revelation.


some are presently unfolding

Would you care to name one specific thing? Just one though. <chuckle> We can expand from that. From my perspective, most of Daniel is now history.

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who will reject the god's of his fathers. He will worship a god of fortresses a strange, foreign or (alien) god as some bibles have interpreted.

An obvious reference to Daniel 11. Daniel 11:3, to whom does this refer?

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Don't you find it strange that there is some new foreign god?

You have either watched too much "Ancient Aliens" or not enough. <chuckle> Yes, that is a joke. For the show is a farce. However, I don't find the whole "extraterrestrial" thing to be some "new" foreign "god". And, that which you are referring too there, is from Daniel 11, which from my perspective, is history.

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Hello,


Please allow me to join the conversation to show where the Statue Prophecy in Daniel 2 is at the present time: -


Daniel 2:36-45: -


36 "This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37 You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38 and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all — you are this head of gold. This has happened, the head was Babylon. 39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; This has happened, the chest and arms was the Medes and Persians. then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. This has happened, the belly and thighs was the Grecian Empire, initially Alexandra the Great and after his death, one of the four divisions of his divided kingdom. There is a 2,000 or so year gap here in this prophecy. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. This is happening today as this kingdom is present day Iraq. It was formally established as a kingdom after WW1. 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. This is happening today as this kingdom is/was the Coalition of the Willing lead by the King of the North from the kingdom/nation/empire, the USA. The Coalition of the Willing came together to enter the Land of the Chaldeans after the three-foul frog like spirits went out to all of the world to perform their signs and wonders sixteen years ago.


This is where we are at, presently. The rest of this prophecy is still to unfold.


In our near future, God will set up His everlasting kingdom, and, IMHO, by the end of the Millennium Age, the kingdom, which God will set up, will have accomplished the destruction of all of the kingdoms associated with the five segments of the Statue.


44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold — the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure."

NKJV


So this prophecy from Daniel 2 covers, the past, the present and the future.


Shalom
 

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Hello,

Please allow me to join the conversation

Welcome Jay.


to show where the Statue Prophecy in Daniel 2 is at the present time: -

Daniel 2:36-45: -

36 "This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37 You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38 and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all — you are this head of gold. This has happened, the head was Babylon. 39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; This has happened, the chest and arms was the Medes and Persians. then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. This has happened, the belly and thighs was the Grecian Empire, initially Alexandra the Great and after his death, one of the four divisions of his divided kingdom. There is a 2,000 or so year gap here in this prophecy.

If that is true, then who destroyed the city and sanctuary spoken of in Daniel. The same city and sanctuary that where present in the days of Jesus.

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Shavua` tov