Is The Vatican >Mystrey Babylon?

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EndTimeWine

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do you think all of Revelation is in the future? yes or no.
The BOOK OF REVELATION does it not say what it says in the introduction? You loose!, and only because of your pride . You misinterpret , you know not the order of events and deny scripture. And I am not on trial, not even Christ answered yes or no to much of what His accusers asked Him, your not leading the discussion He is.
 

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Revelation 18
11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:
12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;
13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.
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19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’



The 10 Biggest Importing Countries in the World

10. India – $488.6 billion
9. Netherlands – $514.1 billion
8. South Korea – $525.2 billion
7. Italy – $541.2 billion
6. United Kingdom – $654.9 billion
5. France – $684.6 billion
4. Japan – $794.7 billion
3. Germany – $1.339 trillion
2. China – $1.743 trillion
1. United States – $2.314 trillion



Again, just speculation, but who knows...

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This forum like most have no understanding about bible prophecy at elementary level! then see how its effecting the world today!>>very sad<<
 

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The Mystery Babylon is an end time beast system government which is the beast out of the sea. Rev.13. I said Rome is part of the mystery Babylon . And the Vatican City is a kingdom within a kingdom. I said the present day beast system which the HARLOT rides or sits upon is that beast system.The present day beast system are the G7 Nations in union with the EU. Perhaps you should read people threads before you attempt to correct people.


Since you seem to have it all figured out, you can just go ahead and ignore my posts. Sound good?
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ERROR, a bo-bo on your Part. Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter". things in the Past, present, and future.
No error, I am even using a Catholic approved bible there is no need to prophesy upon things which have already happened. You obviously do not know the meaning of PROPHECY. Very ignorant ! Now you show yourself to be just a blatant liar along with ignorant to meaning of words. PROPHECY, is not a looking back at past events and it does not mean you do not reiterate what prophets said before about what will be. He reiterates upon what was to still happen and elaborates on even more. GET OVER IT. PROPHECY= what is still to come.
 

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Just Luv>> IT^!!>>
do you think all of Revelation is in the future? yes or no.
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The BOOK OF REVELATION does it not say what it says in the introduction? You loose!, and only because of your pride . You misinterpret , you know not the order of events and deny scripture. And I am not on trial, not even Christ answered yes or no to much of what His accusers asked Him, your not leading the discussion He is.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, >> This whatb the sword of GodJesus Says>> >> You boysMMMMM
 
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The BOOK OF REVELATION does it not say what it says in the introduction? You loose!, and only because of your pride . You misinterpret , you know not the order of events and deny scripture. And I am not on trial, not even Christ answered yes or no to much of what His accusers asked Him, your not leading the discussion He is.
no you loose Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John". "things", things, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star". what things?, Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter". what had John seen so far up to verse 19, in chapter 1.?
 

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no you loose Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John". "things", things, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star". what things?, Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter". what had John seen so far up to verse 19, in chapter 1.?
Not Moses' time! He had seen much persecution of the first church though. You must forget what you post.
 

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Not Moses' time! He had seen much persecution of the first church though. You must forget what you post.
are you really reading?. is the church age only from John time future only? no. is the book of revelation written in chronological order no. case closed.
 

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are you really reading?. is the church age only from John time future only? no. is the book of revelation written in chronological order no. case closed.
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. But, the father of lies is. Keep chasing the dragon or rather your tail.
 

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Let see tail, this can settle this quickly, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne". this is Christ, lets see, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high". Hmmmm that already happen, unless Hebrews is after Revelation.

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth”. this is the risen Christ, is this future from John's witting? NO BUSTED. over and over.

case closed. busted too many times.
 

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Let see tail, this can settle this quickly, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne". this is Christ, lets see, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high". Hmmmm that already happen, unless Hebrews is after Revelation.

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth”. this is the risen Christ, is this future from John's witting? NO BUSTED. over and over.

case closed. busted too many times.[/QUOTE
Everything which he saw as pertaining to the establishment of the first church. You really do not get it. You obviously do not know what it means to be taken in the spirit either. And again not talking about Moses' time concerning his testimony. Busted is just a word for you with no meaning. Self abased babbling words with no truth or meaning behind them. Busted!
 

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I take this as you have no proof to rebut what I have posted?.
 

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To all the people who think the book of Revelation is all future.
Revelation 12:1 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12:2 "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Revelation 12:3 "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

question is all of these event future, yes or no.


Remember, Revelation is a book of Revealing, so you should know this.

Now we'll see the testimony of the Lord Jesus the Christ.
 

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I was re-reading Isaiah today, and came across a passage that reminded me about Jerusalem as the whore. Isaiah 1:21 "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers". here are this murderers. Revelation 17:5 & 6 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration".
 
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Some anti-Catholics claim the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18. Dave Hunt, in his 1994 book, A Woman Rides the Beast, presents nine arguments to try to prove this. His claims are a useful summary of those commonly used by Fundamentalists, and an examination of them shows why they don’t work.

#7: The Mother of Harlots

Now for Hunt’s most hilarious argument:
"John’s attention is next drawn to the inscription on the woman’s forehead: ‘THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH’ (verse 5, [Hunt’s emphasis]). Sadly enough, the Roman Catholic Church fits that description as precisely as she fits the others. Much of the cause is due to the unbiblical doctrine of priestly celibacy," which has "made sinners of the clergy and harlots out of those with whom they secretly cohabit."

Priestly celibacy is not a doctrine but a discipline—a discipline in the Latin Rite of the Church—and even this rite has not always been mandatory. This discipline can scarcely be unbiblical, since Hunt himself says, "The great apostle Paul was a celibate and recommended that life to others who wanted to devote themselves fully to serving Christ."

Hunt has again lurched to an absurdly literal interpretation. He should interpret the harlotry of the Whore’s daughters as the same as their mother’s, which is why she is called their mother in the first place. This would make it spiritual or political fornication or the persecution of Christian martyrs (cf. 17:2, 6, 18:6). Instead, Hunt gives the interpretation of the daughters as literal, earthly prostitutes committing literal, earthly fornication.

If Hunt did not have a fixation on the King James Version, he would notice another point that identifies the daughters’ harlotries with that of their mother: The same Greek word (porna) is used for both mother and daughters. The King James Version translates this word as "whore" whenever it refers to the mother, but as "harlot" when it refers to the daughters. Modern translations render it consistently. John sees the "great harlot" (17:1, 15, 16, 19:2) who is "the mother of harlots" (17:5). The harlotries of the daughters must be the same as the mother’s, which Hunt admits is not literal sex!

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Revelation 17
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.


Revelation 18
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”



Christianity and the Nagasaki Crime

Two of warfare’s great crimes were inflicted when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and in the bitterest of ironies wiping out Nagasaki’s Christian community which had survived long-term Japanese persecution, writes Gary G. Kohls.

Christianity and the Nagasaki Crime

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This funding from the U.S. has and still continues to cause the slaughter of countless thousands of christians and nonchristians in the Middle East.

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Some anti-Catholics claim the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18. Dave Hunt, in his 1994 book, A Woman Rides the Beast, presents nine arguments to try to prove this. His claims are a useful summary of those commonly used by Fundamentalists, and an examination of them shows why they don’t work.

#7: The Mother of Harlots

Now for Hunt’s most hilarious argument:
"John’s attention is next drawn to the inscription on the woman’s forehead: ‘THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH’ (verse 5, [Hunt’s emphasis]). Sadly enough, the Roman Catholic Church fits that description as precisely as she fits the others. Much of the cause is due to the unbiblical doctrine of priestly celibacy," which has "made sinners of the clergy and harlots out of those with whom they secretly cohabit."

Priestly celibacy is not a doctrine but a discipline—a discipline in the Latin Rite of the Church—and even this rite has not always been mandatory. This discipline can scarcely be unbiblical, since Hunt himself says, "The great apostle Paul was a celibate and recommended that life to others who wanted to devote themselves fully to serving Christ."

Hunt has again lurched to an absurdly literal interpretation. He should interpret the harlotry of the Whore’s daughters as the same as their mother’s, which is why she is called their mother in the first place. This would make it spiritual or political fornication or the persecution of Christian martyrs (cf. 17:2, 6, 18:6). Instead, Hunt gives the interpretation of the daughters as literal, earthly prostitutes committing literal, earthly fornication.

If Hunt did not have a fixation on the King James Version, he would notice another point that identifies the daughters’ harlotries with that of their mother: The same Greek word (porna) is used for both mother and daughters. The King James Version translates this word as "whore" whenever it refers to the mother, but as "harlot" when it refers to the daughters. Modern translations render it consistently. John sees the "great harlot" (17:1, 15, 16, 19:2) who is "the mother of harlots" (17:5). The harlotries of the daughters must be the same as the mother’s, which Hunt admits is not literal sex!

Hunting the Whore of Babylon | Catholic Answers
To recommend is not a command. And actually is not why the RCC instituted this in the church (Celibacy). It was to put to rest the disputes over dead priest's estates by their widows. Priest, bishops ex...were permitted to marry at one time- by the RCC. It was all about money not FAITH the DEMAND of celibacy not presented as St. Paul says (AS A SUGGESTION) . Just another lie and false representation of the scriptures.

But for those who can remain as Paul- it is good. And for those who wish to marry it is good too. For both marriage and celibacy in God are good. But if you do not have self control it is better to marry than to burn. NO such demand is placed on a man it is a suggestion, and is for those who desire to serve the Lord in that way. But each has his own gift, one in one way and another in another way. And considering the Crisis then and what many Christian's in certain regions even today have and are experiencing, it would be better, because of this- to not marry. It is very difficult to see your children murdered and your wife rapped and murdered and any other atrocity that we have seen happen to fellow Christians, in these end of last days. It is a suggestion not a command. God Bless!
 

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#2: "Babylon"—What’s in a Name?

Hunt notes that the Whore will be a city "known as Babylon." This is based on Revelation 17:5, which says that her name is "Babylon the Great."

The phrase "Babylon the great" (Greek: Babulon a megala) occurs five times in Revelation (14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, and 18:21). Light is shed on its meaning when one notices that Babylon is referred to as "the great city" seven times in the book (16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21). Other than these, there is only one reference to "the great city." That passage is 11:8, which states that the bodies of God’s two witnesses "will lie in the street of the great city, which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

"The great city" is symbolically called Sodom, a reference to Jerusalem, symbolically called "Sodom" in the Old Testament (cf. Is. 1:10; Ezek. 16:1–3, 46–56). We also know Jerusalem is the "the great city" of Revelation 11:8 because the verse says it was "where [the] Lord was crucified."

Revelation consistently speaks as if there were only one "great city" ("the great city"), suggesting that the great city of 11:8 is the same as the great city mentioned in the other seven texts—Babylon. Additional evidence for the identity of the two is the fact that both are symbolically named after great Old Testament enemies of the faith: Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon.

This suggests that Babylon the great may be Jerusalem, not Rome. Many Protestant and Catholic commentators have adopted this interpretation. On the other hand, early Church Fathers often referred to Rome as "Babylon," but every references was to pagan Rome, which martyred Christians.
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It is very intro to me that I for years , really in my heart said no why but I have come to the point in this late hour that there is no way it is not!! so what is mystery Babylon , its the seat of the false prophet for a time and the scourge in the end times for a season till satan call himself god and will not need a mask! Your thoughts first then I will unload!
The Masonic societies have the Vatican beat by a mile when it comes to playing the part of mystery Babylon. They invite all religions in to partake of their blasphemies, to join in their climb (the number of steps varies with the organizations) to their god, the so called grand architect (who they even imagine themselves to be if you read and understand their literature.) No, the RCC is most definitely like Ephraim, or Samaria, a mixture of biblical Christianity with pagan practices added on through the recruitment of pagan peoples, starting with the pagans of Rome and their household idols, and ending God knows where. Ephraim had the promise of being the most populous of the tribes of Israel and that promise is reflected in the size of the RCC. Some here see this sort of post as an anticatholic attack, but that's because they've believed their own dogma. They're far from being accursed and the Lord has always placed the greatest accountability for error upon the leaders of a people (I wouldn't want to be a cardinal for all the tea in China, but God bless them just the same.)
 
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