The Holy Spirit

[Helen]

@Job ../G A R Y....who will play the word association game with me if you go?And who will play the other games?

 

[EndTimeWine]

I find the questions above a little annoying, but mostly, saddening. I have tried to stay out of the "disagreement" and not take sides, for I like the two of you.

Almost anyone of us could be judged as not having the "Spirit" for some reason or other by another who holds / clings to a different opinion(s) / position / perspective. It is all too easy and far too many claim they have some mystical "Spirit". To make such a claim, is meaningless from my perspective. Far too many use such as a means to try and prevent other from disagreeing with them. It is used as a crutch. So even should @bbyrd009 answer, it is more likely that neither would accept his answer anyway. Is it fair or right to lay a trap? Particularly the one who has already passed "judgment".

@EndTimeWine you claim you already know the answer, but who you to judge the servant of another. And such, I have read from you twice.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.

Because they don't fit your perception(s) of what they should be?

So allow me to answer, for based upon one such as yourself, iow, using you as an example and just a couple of your posts that I read this evening: No, I would not claim to be "Christian". Do I have the "Spirit"? Neither of you qualified "Spirit", so it could be referring to any "spirit". So no, I do not have the "Spirit".

Satisfied? No, for the blood lust may likely only deepen from here.

If all you desire to do is judge, then I'm your huckleberry. Judge away. Bring it forth and pour it out upon me. Who made you the "accuser" of the brethren?

Jam 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 One only is the lawgiver and judge, even he who is able to save and to destroy: but who art thou that judgest thy neighbor?

Jam 5:9 Murmur not, brethren, one against another, that ye be not judged: behold, the judge standeth before the doors.

In sorrow,
Richard

If byrd is brethren then you are huckleberry finn. Same forum doesn't make byrd brethren. So, no judging the law here. The only speaking against the law is your speech toward true believers on behalf of byrd, who speaks blasphemy daily. You better find out who your alliance is with, THE WORD or byrd? As for fitting perception, to perceive the obvious is called commonsense. Which I can perceive you do not have if you are defending a wingnut like that. Byrd is someones servant all right and it is not the Lords. GOODNIGHT!

 

[EndTimeWine]

And anyways who said all in here are brethren? There are some connections made between certain souls but for the most part most are free agents dropping knowledge. There is no pledge to alliance here. But for sure, Henny Penny has no place with righteousness, just as I have no place with filth. And for the record, whether Job cares that I say this or not, you owe Job an apology for pointing fingers in the wrong direction, "Richard oti". Misplaced affection I would say huckleberry!

 

[Richard_oti]

If byrd is brethren then you are huckleberry finn. Same forum doesn't make byrd brethren. So, no judging the law here. The only speaking against the law is your speech toward true believers on behalf of byrd, who speaks blasphemy daily. You better find out who your alliance is with, THE WORD or byrd? As for fitting perception, to perceive the obvious is called commonsense. Which I can perceive you do not have if you are defending a wingnut like that. Byrd is someones servant all right and it is not the Lords. GOODNIGHT!

So then @bbyrd009 would be your neighbor then. Something comes to mind regarding ones "neighbor", perhaps you could remind me ... I think it was written in Leviticus ...

And since you are now defining bbyrd009 as in effect, one without, is it your place to judge, the end of 1 Corinthians 5 comes to mind.

I have seen for too many attempt to disseminate one as not one of the "brethren" in order to attempt to justify certain things. And again, I notice you place yourself as one of the "true believers". But to this point in time, you have not answered if I am a "true Christian" as I asked in another thread.

I reject the trinity, therefore according to you, I must also speak blasphemy. According to your perceptions, then I also must be a "wingnut". For I say to you, that Jesus is not "God". How do you judge?

As I said, if you wish to judge, bring it forth and pour it out upon me.

 

[Richard_oti]

And anyways who said all in here are brethren?

Like I said above ... And your second reply, or more correctly, that you felt the need for a second reply, is also revealing.

There are some connections made between certain souls but for the most part most are free agents dropping knowledge. There is no pledge to alliance here. But for sure, Henny Penny has no place with righteousness, just as I have no place with filth. And for the record, whether Job cares that I say this or not, you owe Job an apology for pointing fingers in the wrong direction, "Richard oti". Misplaced affection I would say huckleberry!

Job knows how I feel with regard to him, he knows that I love him.

However, I am noticing your reaction(s) when such is directed at yourself.

Is it the reaction of one lead by the "Spirit"? If so, of what "spirit"?

Galatians 5 comes to mind.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Why would the Holy Spirit...the Spirit of God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth
be only available to those that believe in the Nicene or Apostles Creed ...?...
(being the definition or criteria setup for being a Christian, that is...)
It seems someone in families around the world that were never raised with even
the idea or word God would need the Holy Spirit big time!

Myself raised in the USA in a small farm town had no Bible in the house,no talk of God, except my father would swear and I heard my mom say, ' Jesus Mary and Joseph" sometimes.
On my own in High School cuz of the influence of friends and an aunt...attended Religious Instruction and got myself baptized as a Catholic...I was old enough to drive,
my parents didn't understand it...but, let me do it with no discussion.
They didn't attend the ceremony, nor the Confirmation with Bishop Fulton J,
Sheen !

But, as a child 5, 8 and 10....Oh my, was I ever visited by the Holy Spirit!
My sister had an Angel manifest for her to comfort her,
right there on our summer lawn, about 3 ft above the grass!
Neither of us went to a church...except an Aunt that we saw once a year on Easter took us with a smile and lots of encouragement...but really no explanation of what the heck it was all about. Weird, I see now.
I mean, Who was Jesus?
What a nutty household !

Thank God for coming to me alone outside playing...He showed me more in one minute at 10 yrs old than many I have talked to as an adult.
Many that have taken hallucenigenics sp?...have not had such an experience or
shown what I was revealed.

Will this post be made fun of and not believed! Sure.
Could anyone take away the insights revealed, because of their concepts limiting who God can visit?
Not possible.

 

[mjrhealth]

Why would the Holy Spirit...the Spirit of God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth
be only available to those that believe in the Nicene or Apostles Creed ...?...
(being the definition or criteria setup for being a Christian, that is...)
It seems someone in families around the world that were never raised with even
the idea or word God would need the Holy Spirit big time!

Myself raised in the USA in a small farm town had no Bible in the house,no talk of God, except my father would swear and I heard my mom say, ' Jesus Mary and Joseph" sometimes.
On my own in High School cuz of the influence of friends and an aunt...attended Religious Instruction and got myself baptized as a Catholic...I was old enough to drive,
my parents didn't understand it...but, let me do it with no discussion.
They didn't attend the ceremony, nor the Confirmation with Bishop Fulton J,
Sheen !

But, as a child 5, 8 and 10....Oh my, was I ever visited by the Holy Spirit!
My sister had an Angel manifest for her to comfort her,
right there on our summer lawn, about 3 ft above the grass!
Neither of us went to a church...except an Aunt that we saw once a year on Easter took us with a smile and lots of encouragement...but really no explanation of what the heck it was all about. Weird, I see now.
I mean, Who was Jesus?
What a nutty household !

Thank God for coming to me alone outside playing...He showed me more in one minute at 10 yrs old than many I have talked to as an adult.
Many that have taken hallucenigenics sp?...have not had such an experience or
shown what I was revealed.

Will this post be made fun of and not believed! Sure.
Could anyone take away the insights revealed, because of their concepts limiting who God can visit?
Not possible.

It is hard to convince the religious of a living Jesus, and as great a gift as the Holy Spirit that is given to us. Denied by many a friend of few.

 

[EndTimeWine]

So then @bbyrd009 would be your neighbor then. Something comes to mind regarding ones "neighbor", perhaps you could remind me ... I think it was written in Leviticus ...

And since you are now defining bbyrd009 as in effect, one without, is it your place to judge, the end of 1 Corinthians 5 comes to mind.

I have seen for too many attempt to disseminate one as not one of the "brethren" in order to attempt to justify certain things. And again, I notice you place yourself as one of the "true believers". But to this point in time, you have not answered if I am a "true Christian" as I asked in another thread.

I reject the trinity, therefore according to you, I must also speak blasphemy. According to your perceptions, then I also must be a "wingnut". For I say to you, that Jesus is not "God". How do you judge?

As I said, if you wish to judge, bring it forth and pour it out upon me.

Admonishment!

 

[bbyrd009]

If you believe Jesus died for "all" then rightly so "all" go to be with Him upon death, because no one has to give an account for his sins any longer, since all of his sins are forgiven, correct? But in fact, hell will heavily be populated.

and so you have been given an impression of different places, right, even though you might easily witness someone in hell right next to someone in heaven right now. So then All go to the same place is ignored or reasoned away, Samuel's advice to Saul through the Witch of Endor is not considered, and Job's Dilemma in pp4-6 of the "Does God Need Jesus" thread is not reflected upon, which i hope he is now at the point of recommending, bc he didn't really do anything wr...no one could easily forgive.

Iow this "give an account for your sins" thing is portrayed as a like a courtroom, or throne room thing that happens at some point in your future, right? It happens tomorrow, isn't that a fair characterization? And i could even read it right along with you, but with a different perspective, and we might see that the "tomorrow" perspective is strictly an assumption, that we accept bc pretty much everyone believes it, even though we judge ppl for their sins in real-time, don't we?

Why is Scripture so disconnected from life? Because i tell you that someone who has sinned and been judged for it, and forgiven, cannot stand in the light without confessing their sin regardless, as Adam, Eve, (and Job) can witness.

 

[bbyrd009]

Admonishment!

btw dunno if i apologized sufficiently for that crack yesterday, i know better than to...engage with contenders after a certain time of day, my intended "jokes" get rather pointy i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

If you understood the meaning of the 1st Resurrection then you will have understood Salvation.

i tell you that the First Resurrection happens today, when one confesses, unto salvation. Because forgiveness is a foregone conclusion, even though it prolly seems like we confess to initiate forgiveness, right. So then the First Resurrection happens today, when one forgives without waiting for confession.

Not each and every one's sins

yes, every single one's. Or, whose sins are you not forgiving here? The same ones @Frank Lee is not forgiving? What happens to Forgive, and you will be forgiven though? Judge not, lest ye be judged? Yes, there is a Righteous Judgement, which really means more like "understand and forgive, without condoning the behavior" or something, but we should first better define "judgement" here anyway, as the term is used more than one way, right, we have to make what we also call "judgements" about behaviors or concepts too, so the term gets babbeled, iow.

 

[bbyrd009]

Most definitely we have been saved from the moment we became born again.

sure, ok, and then lost the moment you cannot confess your sin, having already been assured of forgiveness. This perspective of OSAS is just a conspiracy to keep ppl in fear of hell in the best seat in the house, wadr. "I'm saved" then becomes the mantra of the lost. Born Again is portrayed as a single, momentary event, right, and i cannot deny that that might be possible, but most people do not change their minds so quickly. As we can witness, many do, but then revert after a short time, and etc, so even in the case of a miraculously changed mind, the poor guy is surely going to immediately start getting fed by wolves, even if they have "good intentions."

It is my belief that everyone has to go through the Wilderness, i personally cannot find any exceptions to the pattern, unless maybe Moses. And i also believe that pastors who make this plain are pretty much non-existent, not that i blame them any.

Hope of salvation does not even need to be read, much less considered, by someone who is convinced that they are already saved, see. Similarly, when you "get saved" and then start reading Scripture, most of It can be dismissed immediately, right, you never even have to put yourself in the place of Cain, or Esau, even though they are in There to impart lessons about you, written specifically to you, who has a hope of salvation.

See how your eyes just glide right over those passages, or notice how your perspective is "naturally" put on/in a certain character in a passage, when in fact was has happened is that you have been blinded, by the perspective "i am already OSASed, forevermore." Where you really are is in hell, and we even have passages describing these people, who think they are this and that, when in fact they are such-and-such, i guess you already know the passages, one will pop into my head here in a minute.

And what is the next step, for this deluded person who is convinced they are saved forevermore already? Bc you certainly cannot point out any sin of theirs, right, if they are convinced they do not sin. A parade of witnesses, to the same repeated sin, will not sway this person; we have plenty of examples right here in this forum.

Are they forgiven? Yes. Is that going to save them? No
why not? Because unconfessed sin is not comfy in the Light, it wants Darkness, as we might observe in any today.

 

[bbyrd009]

You're a christian.

am i? I would not confess that i am "saved," so do i qualify? I have the hope of salvation; do you know any other "Christians" who believe that? Would...Jun agree with you, at this moment?

Do you have the Spirit?

imo the kingdom is either right beside me, or within me, too, Job, same as with you. When i'm trading jabs with EndTimeWine (hereafter referred to forevermore as ETW; no, wait, End, ya, End ), and not being forgiving, prolly not, huh?

 

[bbyrd009]

Everyone is listening byrd are you Christian, do you have the Spirit? I already know the answer, cannot wait to see your reply.

bbyrd009 said: ↑
yes, twinc, as the First Son, the Good Samaritan, and any practicing Muslim might witness here.
Whether any Christians at all have the Spirit is debatable, i guess. They mostly seem to run on denial

so then please understand that i meant to point out the...fracture in the definition of "Christian" that surely you also have a concept of, ok. So now i will make a statement that prolly won't make much sense to you, but see that while i don't wish to be associated with those who hog the best seat in the house when they don't deserve it, that is really just a way to judge, too, right. So that is really the kind of Christian i am, or want to be associated with, as strange as that prolly sounds lol. That other one, who is blameless, is not me. Even though i stand by my statement up there, i see very little Holy Spirit among those identifying as Christian at the moment.

but i hate to leave with that impression, as i don't mean to say that i don't see a lot of Holy Spirit being manifested; just not where we might traditionally look for It. Of course a lot of ppl define "Holy Fervor" as Holy Spirit, too, so we surely have some difference of opinion at the definition there, like any two ppl prolly do.

the Holy Spirit is manifest in service to others, imo, and is not manifest otherwise. And service to others is not walking around with...an obsequious demeanor and an order pad, either. imo.

 

[bbyrd009]

"the First Son, the Good Samaritan, and any practicing Muslim"

are any of these considered "Christian?" Can any of them be said to not have the Spirit?

 

[bbyrd009]

Richard

fwiw we are in kind of a special place imo, in a Christian Forum, as we are basically refining our capacities for judgement, the judgement of concepts that we might either choose to believe or not. And ppl get very attached to their beliefs, at least at first, so i understand.

So what i mean to say is that i don't hold any grudges, and even take this as permission to attack my posts in the future, too, i can stand a little corollary damage lol

 

[bbyrd009]

The Message is a bad fit...because it is way off and not a translation.
Not a good one to use.

nonetheless the concept in vv...14-15? 15-16? Are echoed in your pref translation, i think. Dying to self is still, nominally, a Christian concept, right? But of course you should interpret Paul how seems best to you, not me.

 

[EndTimeWine]

are any of these considered "Christian?" Can any of them be said to not have the Spirit?

I never said what you quoted as me saying.EndTimeWine. You are going to be reported for false witnessing, these looser words are yours and are of no one else ! EndTimeWine!

bbyrd009 said:
yes, twinc, as the First Son, the Good Samaritan, and any practicing Muslim might witness here.
Whether any Christians at all have the Spirit is debatable, i guess. They mostly seem to run on denial=bbyrd009.
AGAIN bbyrd009 said:
yes, twinc, as the First Son, the Good Samaritan, and any practicing Muslim might witness here.
Whether any Christians at all have the Spirit is debatable, i guess. They mostly seem to run on denial

Don't play games with me you child of satan!EndTimeWine
EndTimeWine said No such thing!

bbyrd009said:

the First Son, the Good Samaritan, and any practicing Muslim
are any of these considered "Christian?" Can any of them be said to not have the Spirit?
REPORTING!

 

[bbyrd009]

If byrd is brethren then you are huckleberry finn. Same forum doesn't make byrd brethren. So, no judging the law here. The only speaking against the law is your speech toward true believers on behalf of byrd, who speaks blasphemy daily. You better find out who your alliance is with, THE WORD or byrd? As for fitting perception, to perceive the obvious is called commonsense. Which I can perceive you do not have if you are defending a wingnut like that. Byrd is someones servant all right and it is not the Lords. GOODNIGHT!

you might turn this into a valuable assessment if you provided your reasoning, or some examples or something, see, whereas right now it is just a judgement, basically. It doesn't even rise to Opinion, iow, until you have provided some reasoning, at least to many perceptions. It is stated as Absolute Truth iow, and no room is even assumed to be needed for questioning, see

 

[bbyrd009]

And anyways who said all in here are brethren? There are some connections made between certain souls but for the most part most are free agents dropping knowledge. There is no pledge to alliance here. But for sure, Henny Penny has no place with righteousness, just as I have no place with filth. And for the record, whether Job cares that I say this or not, you owe Job an apology for pointing fingers in the wrong direction, "Richard oti". Misplaced affection I would say huckleberry!

"thank you, God, that i am like the rest of men."