Who are the guests?

[bbyrd009]

I would say that anyone who is part of the Church is one of those Living Stones. As to the Bride, for the moment, I will leave my link and not add anything else except to point to the Song of Solomon for some details.

you are now the Missing Link, i guess?

 

[amadeus]

you are now the Missing Link, i guess?

Oh you got that one right. All this time so many have looked so hard to find it and here I am right here.

 

[bbyrd009]

I will leave my link

lol, where is the link, A?

All this time so many have looked so hard to find it

ha no kidding i'm like "is it not underlined, or a hyperlink i'm missing, or what" lol

 

[amadeus]

lol, where is the link, A?

ha no kidding i'm like "is it not underlined, or a hyperlink i'm missing, or what" lol

See post #15

 

[Ally.s.j]

Scripture does say every knee will bow.

King James Bible
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

 

[Ally.s.j]

You say the church has done a pathetic job.

The church as we see it on the street that represents Christ has done a pathetic job of representing Christ. Dont think we could argue with that. Most people I know have something agaisnt what they see as hypocrites. I know better people in the pub that I do in church.

 

[bbyrd009]

See post #15

ah ok, ty. Still dragging the "Song" ref? sorry lol

 

[Dcopymope]

Agh well. I will get all manner of things thrown at me. But here goes.

Is it possible . When the word says every knee will bend and confess me Lord. Is it possible that on judgement day. everyone will confess and bend the knee. Is it possible that all will be forgiven on the last day and all flesh shall return to the lord. And the guests are those who never excepted Christ as lord but now do because they have seen. Is it possible that everyone would have excepted Christ had they known, How will they know lest someone tells them. The church done the most pathethetic job of teaching the good news. I think God is way bigger than what we think.

The guest might well be these people. Just occured to me. But I really dont think the angles are the guests. Doest make sense to me.

I think its safe to assume that many more will come to repentance and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord during the millennial reign. However, its what happens after that period is over that gives me reason to believe that most of them won't. The vast majority of those still alive will turn on God the day Satan is let out of the bottomless pit. Despite seeing God with their own two eyes, Satan still somehow manages to unite the world against God to take his kingdom, at which point they all end up getting set ablaze. The fact that Satan pulls this off just shows that there is truly no end to his guile. God will do this to prove a point, that some people will never change and believe even with God sitting right in front of their faces. It will be a shining example of God separating the wheat's from the tares, from those who aren't worth the salt of the earth before the throne judgement, which will be the final separation of the wheat's and tares.

(Revelation 20:7-10) "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Yep, I don't see how all those who will transgress against God here are going to weasel there way out of getting tossed into the lake of fire. There is no way in hell that God would ever let these chumps see the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. Judgement day will not be the time when everyone confesses and bends the knee. At this point, it will be too late for them. If your name isn't in the book of life, then you are screwed forever.

 

[ScottA]

i'm usually pretty good at seeing this "bouncing around," don't see it here? can you quote one, ty

Matthew 22
The Parable of the Wedding Feast
22 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’ 5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Vs 7 is another lesson within the parable (for example of the bouncing around for effect and principle), literally telling of Sodom and Gomorrah and the like.

 

[Helen]

This goes back to my thread here:

If all of the Church is the Bride of Christ who are the guests?

As I see it the Bride comes out of the Church, but not all Church is in the Bride.

YES AGREE!!

 

[Helen]

I can see I have a lot of reading to catch up on tomorrow...I will re-read all of this thread..AND re-read all of the older one...and see how they line up!
If all of the Church is the Bride of Christ who are the guests?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The church as we see it on the street that represents Christ has done a pathetic job of representing Christ. Dont think we could argue with that. Most people I know have something agaisnt what they see as hypocrites. I know better people in the pub that I do in church.

You said "The church as we see it on the street that represents Christ has done a pathetic job of representing Christ." I can't argue with obvious fruit. Again, I ask how can a church steered by the head which is Christ, and led by the Spirit of God: do as you say "a pathetic job of representing Christ" Does scripture not say you will know them by their fruit? Which church do you have your eyes on saying they (led by the Spirit) do not represent Christ well?

Represent Him how?


2 Corinthians 1:21-22 KJV
[21] Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; [22] Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Are you saying that Christ cannot rule His own body?

 

[bbyrd009]

The church as we see it on the street that represents Christ has done a pathetic job of representing Christ.

"Didn't I choose you Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"

 

[bbyrd009]

Which church do you have your eyes on saying they (led by the Spirit) do not represent Christ well?

obv the church of those who OSAS i guess. the church of those who believe they are saved

 

[ScottA]

This goes back to my thread here:

If all of the Church is the Bride of Christ who are the guests?

As I see it the Bride comes out of the Church, but not all Church is in the Bride.

If I may...

"The Bride that comes out of the Church..." would rather be spelled with a lower case "c", as all who are in the church are not of God, not of His spirit. These are those who will be told, "I never knew you."

 

[VictoryinJesus]

obv the church of those who OSAS i guess. the church of those who believe they are saved

I guess, OSAS is frowned upon. Obviously it is an area we don't agree. Although I believe more that we are made perfect in One. Alone, I am not perfect but as a part of a whole, I am made perfect in one... all the gifts of Spirit present in the body. No, I don't think I can loose what God has joined. The leg doesn't save the body. A finger doesn't save the body. Or a toe. ...maybe the eye but His eye is single and not full of lust. It is His sound mind. All parts joined and not separate. That is what is not failing: a body ruled by Christ. Imo.

John 17:23 KJV
[23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[bbyrd009]

I guess, OSAS is frowned upon. Obviously it is an area we don't agree.

you might be surprised lol, as i completely agree that once one is saved, they are always saved! My objection is in how this is applied, how it manifests IRL, not in the truth of it

 

[bbyrd009]

That is what is not failing: a body ruled by Christ. Imo.

we seek "Eternal Life," but we have to die to get it lol. Iow if the foot is trying to be a hand, it doesn't work
because...because, the foot has not died, it is not acting like a foot yet, has not assumed its correct perspective yet. Do we have any vv on numbness, i wonder now, hmm. i know Paul already treats this concept in his "body parts" passages, dunno if numbness is mentioned, prolly not by that term i guess.

I am not perfect but as a part of a whole, I am made perfect in one.

yet "the whole" is obscured and ill defined, we are called to go "outside the camp" to find it, right. Where the scapegoats are sent

 

[bbyrd009]

i know Paul already treats this concept in his "body parts" passages, dunno if numbness is mentioned, prolly not by that term i guess.

nope, not finding it NT at all, hmm Bible Search: numb -number so now we gotta OT concept that is not directly mirrored NT too, how interesting. (SiT)
but this one speaks to the...matter at hand, imo
... I am oppressed and have been on the verge of death since my youth. I have
been subjected to your horrors and am numb with pain.

 

[bbyrd009]

All parts joined and not separate. That is what is not failing: a body ruled by Christ. Imo.

i would argue that the first one is an ideal, but is seldom realized, or has not been realized yet, not sure which, leaning toward the first, but prolly both contain some truth

as my evidence i would invoke Paul's chastising the body, in the same chapter where he says that "absent from the body is present with the Lord." Iow imo Paul means something different at "body" there than what we interpret, as he even goes on the splain in vv 14-15