Co- Redemptrix

[Rollo Tamasi]

You mean,
You mean,
ALL my catholic friends are members of the Body of Christ?????



I DON'T THINK SO.
Who is a member of the Body of Christ according to you?
Whole denominations??
Ephesians 4:1-16
Romans 8:9

You believe that Romans 8:9 could pertain to an entire congregation??

Gracie, don't make him think so much, he may explode!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You mean,
You mean,
ALL my catholic friends are members of the Body of Christ?????

I DON'T THINK SO.
Who is a member of the Body of Christ according to you?
Whole denominations??
Ephesians 4:1-16
Romans 8:9

You believe that Romans 8:9 could pertain to an entire congregation??

We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism.
This is a Catholic teaching that YOU seem to be ignorant of.
Go back and R*E*A*D what I wrote:
"All Baptized CHRISTIAN Protestants are related to the Body of Christ, albeit, self-separated from the Body."

I never said that ALL those who are baptized remain in the body.
Everybosy has a free will - to either stay or leave.

I never said that "entire denominations" were part of the Body of Christ. this isn't even true for Catholics.
You just chose to add to my post that which was never there . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gracie, don't make him think so much, he may explode!!!

At least she is having a dialog.
You just hit and run for the hills . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay, I agree it's not in the catechism.

Then why did you make this ridiculous claim?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

How do protestants have to will to stay or leave if catholics say we are anethema and kill us?

 

[GodsGrace]

No - I said that ignorant anti-Catholics were brain-dead.
I never called any person here "brain dead." Try being honest for a change.

And there you go again telling lies.
Can you ever stop??

First of all, Jesus IS God. If you don't believe that - then you are not a Christian, by definition.
Secondly - He unites to Himself TWO natures - Human and Divine. These two natures are INDIVISIBLE (hypostasis).
Thirdly, Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God. She didn't give birth to a "nature" any more than YOUR mother did.

Hence, Mary is the Mother of God.
She is NOT the Mother of the Trinity.

Finally - as to praying to Mary - there is nothing wrong or "unbiblical" about this.
To "Pray" simply means to "ASK":
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb

1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Notice that worship of God is a secondary definition and NOT the primary one . . .

Mary was NOT the mother of the second person of the Holy Trinity.
Who is the WORD , or LOGOS of God.

Mary gave birth to Jesus. A human person. 100% human, just as you said.

To say Mary gave birth to God is to say she gave birth to Yahweh.
Yahweh did not have a birth. He always was and always will be.

From question no. 1 of the Baltimore Catechism.
1. Who is God?

God had NO BEGINNING.
But you've been brain-washed into calling Mary the MOTHER OF GOD.
When she herself called herself the bond-servent of the Lord.
Luke 1:38

She shall bear A SON.
Luke 1:31

He shall be called THE SON OF GOD. (not the son of Mary)
Luke 1:35

Mary calls God her savior...not her son.
Luke 1:47

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary was NOT the mother of the second person of the Holy Trinity.
Who is the WORD , or LOGOS of God.

Mary gave birth to Jesus. A human person. 100% human, just as you said.

To say Mary gave birth to God is to say she gave birth to Yahweh.
Yahweh did not have a birth. He always was and always will be.

From question no. 1 of the Baltimore Catechism.
1. Who is God?

God had NO BEGINNING.
But you've been brain-washed into calling Mary the MOTHER OF GOD.
When she herself called herself the bond-servent of the Lord.
Luke 1:38

She shall bear A SON.
Luke 1:31

He shall be called THE SON OF GOD. (not the son of Mary)
Luke 1:35

Mary calls God her savior...not her son.
Luke 1:47

Sooooo, you DON'T believe that Jesus is God?

 

[BreadOfLife]

How do protestants have to will to stay or leave if catholics say we are anethema and kill us?

WHO said you were an "anathema"??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Then why did you make this ridiculous claim?

It is believed to be true by most catholics because most catholics only know what they are told by other catholics like themselves.
So it is not a ridiculous claim.
There is truth in it.
The roman catholic church promotes Mary to such a degree that if you say to a catholic you shouldn't pray to her, they get mad and go tell either their mafia relatives or the pope's international army, the Jesuits, also know as the Knights of Columbus.
By the way, are you a member of the Knights of Columbus?
And quite stalling, loser boy, and answer my question first and then post #300.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism.
This is a Catholic teaching that YOU seem to be ignorant of.
Go back and R*E*A*D what I wrote:
"All Baptized CHRISTIAN Protestants are related to the Body of Christ, albeit, self-separated from the Body."

I never said that ALL those who are baptized remain in the body.
Everybosy has a free will - to either stay or leave.

I never said that "entire denominations" were part of the Body of Christ. this isn't even true for Catholics.
You just chose to add to my post that which was never there . . .

Whoa.

You just said two different things:

First you said:
We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism.
This is a Catholic teaching that YOU seem to be ignorant of.

THEN you said:
I never said that ALL those who are baptized remain in the body.
Everybosy has a free will - to either stay or leave.

So, which is it:
We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism
OR
One does not have to stay there...?

BTW, why do catholics baptize babies?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

WHO said you were an "anathema"??

boy, you don't know your history at all.
poor lost soul.....

 

[GodsGrace]

Sooooo, you DON'T believe that Jesus is God?

You LOVE to change the subject when it gets too complicated for you.
You mentioned the hypostatic union.
Did I disagree? No.
Because I agree.
Jesus is both human and divine.

But when He was born He was Jesus, not the Logos.
The Logos always existed and was not born 2,000 years ago.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is believed to be true by most catholics because most catholics only know what they are told by other catholics like themselves.
So it is not a ridiculous claim.
There is truth in it.
The roman catholic church promotes Mary to such a degree that if you say to a catholic you shouldn't pray to her, they get mad and go tell either their mafia relatives or the pope's international army, the Jesuits, also know as the Knights of Columbus.
By the way, are you a member of the Knights of Columbus?
And quite stalling, loser boy, and answer my question first and then post #300.

I said that I would answer your question as soon as YOU answered mine - which was asked first.
YOU made the claim that the Catholic Church "worships" Mary - yet you have so far failed to produce any evidence.

As for the Jesuit Order and the Knights of Columbus - they are two completely different entities.
Jesuits are a priestly order - and the K of C is a laymen's service organizarion.

Look - if you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST do your homework.
this is getting embarrassing . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

It is believed to be true by most catholics because most catholics only know what they are told by other catholics like themselves.
So it is not a ridiculous claim.
There is truth in it.
The roman catholic church promotes Mary to such a degree that if you say to a catholic you shouldn't pray to her, they get mad and go tell either their mafia relatives or the pope's international army, the Jesuits, also know as the Knights of Columbus.
By the way, are you a member of the Knights of Columbus?
And quite stalling, loser boy, and answer my question first and then post #300.

The above is correct.
Although the CCC teaches that Mary is not to be worshipped since ONLY God is worshipped, she is held to such a high standard that most Catholics believe she can be worshipped.
It's rather unfortunate that the CC does not teach.
Well, they teach, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack to find a bible study.

 

[BreadOfLife]

boy, you don't know your history at all.
poor lost soul.....

On the contrary - I know my history very well.
YOU are the one who is ignorant of the anathemas at Trent.

First of all - an anathema is simply a de facto excommunication - NOT a death sentence.
Secondly - they are aimed at CATHOLICS who go into heresy - NOT at Protestants who are raised in heresy.

Like I said before, Rollo - do your homework.

 

[GodsGrace]

On the contrary - I know my history very well.
YOU are the one who is ignorant of the anathemas at Trent.

First of all - an anathema is simply a de facto excommunication - NOT a death sentence.
Secondly - they are aimed at CATHOLICS who go into heresy - NOT at Protestants who are raised in heresy.

Like I said before, Rollo - do your homework.

Don't mean to get in the middle of your talk with Rollo, however, I am very disturbed by the Council of Trent.
Why is a little complicated and since you have no respect for me at all, I won't get into why.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The above is correct.
Although the CCC teaches that Mary is not to be worshipped since ONLY God is worshipped, she is held to such a high standard that most Catholics believe she can be worshipped.
It's rather unfortunate that the CC does not teach.
Well, they teach, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack to find a bible study.

Well, at least you're consistent. you won't stop telling lies, it seems, because you can't.
This is what is known as compulsive lying. It's like a kleptomaniac who can't stop stealing . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't mean to get in the middle of your talk with Rollo, however, I am very disturbed by the Council of Trent.
Why is a little complicated and since you have no respect for me at all, I won't get into why.

That's okay - I'm used to your little hit-and-run posts.

As for respect - I respect ALL people as fellow humans. I don't respect lies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You LOVE to change the subject when it gets too complicated for you.
You mentioned the hypostatic union.
Did I disagree? No.
Because I agree.
Jesus is both human and divine.

But when He was born He was Jesus, not the Logos.
The Logos always existed and was not born 2,000 years ago.

I'm not "changing" the subject. YOU were the one who said that Jesus was not God when He was born of Mary. This is heresy.
Soooo, when did this "magical" reunion with His divinity occur?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I said that I would answer your question as soon as YOU answered mine - which was asked first.
YOU made the claim that the Catholic Church "worships" Mary - yet you have so far failed to produce any evidence.

As for the Jesuit Order and the Knights of Columbus - they are two completely different entities.
Jesuits are a priestly order - and the K of C is a laymen's service organizarion.

Look - if you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST do your homework.
this is getting embarrassing . . .

Okay weasel, I answered your question on Mary not being in the catechism.
Now answer my question; Are you the righteousness of God?