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Further on this although it may derail my own thread: Most of the great reformers [Protestant] started with a right idea to bring things closer to something God would approve. The trouble is when you get beyond the original reformers, most everyone else on their bandwagon wanted to or did stop. The end product was often no better and at times was even worse than where they came from. Now that could be called at least a back handed compliment for Catholicism. The parallel between the Reformation and what happened when Jeroboam separated the northern 10 tribes from Judah and Benjamin has always caught my attention.
yes, imo it is a spiritual principle that has obtained before, and will obtain again, simply bc new souls are born every day.
It is part of the process, you and i went through it too, right.
no one is born knowing the law
 
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In what context are you referring to diaspora?
well, 60 million (5 or 6 years ago) people have left organized religion in the developed world, i guess; in Flint i got a church on every corner (right off Broadway, East Side), all in great shape, real estate wise, all quite pretty even; but all closed. the rest of the neighborhood is even in revitalization now, but this corner is just...eerie, is the best way to put it. Fwiw i see ppl who have come out of the grave (those "churches"), and are now walking around, so to speak. Bc obviously if those churches had existed to serve ppl, they would still be open, where they were needed the most
 
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well, 60 million (5 or 6 years ago) people have left organized religion in the developed world, i guess; in Flint i got a church on every corner (right off Broadway, East Side), all in great shape, real estate wise, all quite pretty even; but all closed. the rest of the neighborhood is even in revitalization now, but this corner is just...eerie, is the best way to put it. Fwiw i see ppl who have come out of the grave (those "churches"), and are now walking around, so to speak. Bc obviously if those churches had existed to serve ppl, they would still be open, where they were needed the most
I recall probably at least 10 years ago and maybe more what was happening to churches and causing splits within denominations. And I remember the cause. But I'm not getting into all that. Perhaps the leaders of those churches got too far away from the truth of the scriptures and people began to leave in disgust.
 
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Thank you Helen.
As you know quite well, there are a lot of people needing help in spiritual warfare. That is the main point I'm trying to get across to people. It has to be taken seriously. And churches need to be equipped to deal with it.

But we also know that a great number of Christians don't believe in it at all, or they somehow tell themselves that Christians don't "have this problem."
Like you...I don't have to watch videos or read about it in books...but have much first hand experience in dealing with them.
Their time is short...they know it, that's why they are so busy...extra busy.
 
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I recall probably at least 10 years ago and maybe more what was happening to churches and causing splits within denominations. And I remember the cause. But I'm not getting into all that. Perhaps the leaders of those churches got too far away from the truth of the scriptures and people began to leave in disgust.
churches as we define them cannot exist without money and Contracts for Jesus, might be a better frame
 

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churches as we define them cannot exist without money and Contracts for Jesus, might be a better frame
Well if people leave churches then their money leaves with them. Churches aren't necessarily buildings. It's the people, Christians and others who meet and come together to worship in homes, and other places.
 
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so, two completely different definitions of "church" iow
I think you know what I mean. When people refer to the "the church" they aren't necessarily referring to an actual church building but to the body of believers in Christ.
 
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I think you know what I mean. When people refer to the "the church" they aren't necessarily referring to an actual church building but to the body of believers in Christ.
well, some ppl, certainly, some few ppl, iow not Catholics as a rule, and mostly not Prots, either. Certainly not anyone not seeking at all though, right, i mean to everyone else on the planet "church" means a building now
 

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well, some ppl, certainly, some few ppl, iow not Catholics as a rule, and mostly not Prots, either. Certainly not anyone not seeking at all though, right, i mean to everyone else on the planet "church" means a building now
So what happens when people don't have a church building to go to? Are they not part of "the church" of the body of believers in Christ? There are parts of the world where people's churches have been destroyed. They have to meet in homes and other places. There are people in isolated areas who don't have a church building to go to. There are people in very poor areas who don't have a church building to go to.
And there are people here in the U.S. who meet in homes and other places by choice. But they are still part of "the church" of the body of believers in Christ. Unless of course there are those who reject them as being part of the "the church" in which case I would say people can meet and worship anywhere they want to anytime they want to and are part of "the church". Otherwise that would be saying that their worship is unacceptable to God and that they are not part of "the church" of the body of believers in Christ. And who has a right to say that other than God?
So no, "church" does not mean a building to everyone else on earth. I have attended church buildings and I have met with other Christians in homes.
 
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Are they not part of "the church" of the body of believers in Christ? There are parts of the world where people's churches have been destroyed. They have to meet in homes and other places. There are people in isolated areas who don't have a church building to go to. There are people in very poor areas who don't have a church building to go to.
well, and there are entire nations, still today, who do not even use money, but do not consider themselves poor, either!
 

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So no, "church" does not mean a building to everyone else on earth.
please, wadr just go and poll 100 strangers on your nearest busy street, and ask them where "church" is, in an unbiased question, and pls let's debate the reply that you already know you are going to get 99.99 times for that ok
 
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you're asking me? ha, all manner of things, i guess; generally they start collecting money right away to build them a new one, right
usually has a tower in it somewhere i guess, too huh
Ask Christians in other countries whose churches have been destroyed. I don't know about the money but I guess they would either try to repair the church depending on the damage or rebuild one with the hope that it won't get destroyed or that they won't be killed before it's built.
 

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well, and there are entire nations, still today, who do not even use money, but do not consider themselves poor, either!
There are areas where they don't have the resources to build a church.
 

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please, wadr just go and poll 100 strangers on your nearest busy street, and ask them where "church" is, in an unbiased question, and pls let's debate the reply that you already know you are going to get 99.99 times for that ok
Well, I live in an area with a lot of churches even within walking distance. There's even a Mosque nearby.
But we do have bible study meetings downstairs here on certain days. I live in an apartment building. And we also have a minister who comes on Sunday afternoons and gives a sermon. There are a lot of elderly and disabled people who live here who really benefit from that. But this is not a church building. I could poll them. :)
 
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