The Mystery Revealed

[GodsGrace]

well, a chimer is a concept that is based upon other concepts, "if this is true and that is true, this must be true too," wherein a faulty extrapolation has been made, and if you believe that the kingdom of heaven is somewhere else other than here, then how did you get that idea? Not from the book!

Where does the narrow gate take us?
The wide gate?
Where is there weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Where is that room Jesus promised to prepare for me?
Is it not heaven?
Heaven starts here and is continued after death.
Or that other place...

 

[Helen]

GodsGrace said:-
Q Where does the narrow gate take us? A. Close to Jesus.
Q The wide gate? A. Not close to Jesus..in the back 40.
Q Where is there weeping and gnashing of teeth? A. In the back-40, or even further back and out the door !! .
Q Where is that room Jesus promised to prepare for me? A. In God Himself.
Q Is it not heaven? A. YES
Heaven starts here and is continued after death.
Or that other place...

 

[Helen]

@soul man Good posts.

 

[bbyrd009]

We see what's around us and it doesn't look so good.
That is the sight.

But we can be happy knowing that where we're going is perfect and all the tears will be wiped away.
That is the faith.

Faith in what is to come beyond this life.

i tell you that many will be deceived; even the elect, if that were possible. And i'll look for your reply to "doesn't that fall under expecting reward/payment for services rendered?" before i speak to the rest

 

[bbyrd009]

What do you think is the truth?

as regards after i die? "we do not yet know what we will become."
that mansion, room, nest, does not have to be in any "afterlife," see, that is strictly an assumption

 

[bbyrd009]

Yeah. You always say this. You mean like talking on a wire, seeing someone in a screen, etc.
I'd have to agree although I'm not sure what it has to do with Christianity...

the religion? Me neither lol, but what it has to do with truth, agreeing with Scripture, is another matter, i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

That would be works.
I believe we are required to do works, but not to be saved.
I'm saved because I met Jesus and have learned that He wants the best for me. So I trust Him. And look forward to meeting Him.

so then any way you slice it, you are waiting for your reward, yes?

 

[GodsGrace]

as regards after i die? "we do not yet know what we will become."
that mansion, room, nest, does not have to be in any "afterlife," see, that is strictly an assumption

I do believe we disagree with this.
There is annihialism.
Which I cannot agree with because I can't spell it.
That would be taken from the word "destroy".
I don't see how that meaning can be accepted.
I can be destroyed, but I'm still here.
My car can be destroyed, but it's still here.

 

[bbyrd009]

How could I be in heaven right now?
I had a kidney stone 3 weeks ago...!
I hope not to get anymore up there.

ah, ha. hmm. which way is "up there," do you think? where is heaven, in your mind? point to it, or show me on a map

 

[GodsGrace]

so then any way you slice it, you are waiting for your reward, yes?

I can't see it like that.
I already said that if I did it would be works based salvation. Works cannot save us but they are necessary.

Say you love someone and then you don't see them for a few years.
But you remain faithful.
Then you see the person again and you get married.
Is the marriage a reward for faithfulness?
(I don't believe it is)

 

[bbyrd009]

Where does the narrow gate take us?
The wide gate?
Where is there weeping and gnashing of teeth?

plenty of that right here right, no other place needed for that

 

[GodsGrace]

ah, ha. hmm. which way is "up there," do you think? where is heaven, in your mind? point to it, or show me on a map

Heaven is a dimension.
A state of being.

Where is love?
In your mind?
Point to it or show me on a diagram.

 

[bbyrd009]

Where is that room Jesus promised to prepare for me?

yes, who can find it? i say that we have not only all made up our minds, but even wish that we were...lol

Is it not heaven?

well, the kingdom of heaven is within you, ergo the nest is within also i guess

Heaven starts here and is continued after death.
Or that other place...

so you say. But bring me a Quote, and we will see!

 

[GodsGrace]

plenty of that right here right, no other place needed for that

You think hell is here?

Sorry bb.
But that's how I feel.

 

[GodsGrace]

yes, who can find it? i say that we have not only all made up our minds, but even wish that we were...lol

well, the kingdom of heaven is within you, ergo the nest is within also i guess

Only in a manner of speaking and if that's what you wish to believe.
When I went through the N.T. it sounded like a real place to me.
Jesus said He would come back to take us there.
John 14:2

Do you have any verses to the contrary?
I've already posted a few.

 

[bbyrd009]

When we look at the full context of how God uses the world, somewhere, somehow the idea has snuck into modern thinking that this is the devil's world.
God created all things, if the argument that it is a fallen world and belongs to the devil, I would contend that all things work together for the good.
The world as we know it now is used as a schoolhouse for the Father to bring individuals! first to Christ, and then the training of sons/daughters in this world.
Christians need A Renewed mind with the understanding of how God operates in this world.
To give a witness for Christ they have to have an understanding of Christ as their life, if we just look at things from the standpoint of Good and Evil, which is just one knowledge, we have a hard time explaining to the world why the world is the way it is.
All the pat answers begin.
The knowledge of Christ is a different knowledge than the knowledge of Good and Evil. The believer will judge everything based on Good and Evil, they will see things as either being good or being evil.
So the individual becomes as Paul said tossed to and fro by many doctrines.

i agree, good stuff. We do not get told that Scripture was written dialectically, and not logically, for instance. As logically trained ppl, we do not even know what "dialectic" means, usually. As logicians, Scripture then has "inconsistencies" in It, and/or etc

 

[bbyrd009]

I do believe we disagree with this.
There is annihialism.
Which I cannot agree with because I can't spell it.
That would be taken from the word "destroy".
I don't see how that meaning can be accepted.
I can be destroyed, but I'm still here.
My car can be destroyed, but it's still here.

annihilationism? that, too, infers that one knows what happens after we die, when "no one knows where they go when they die," see. Iow i don't know what happens then either, and i am not trying to even find out, or write books based upon ice-cream castles i have built from my son's experience, or any of that believer tripe

 

[bbyrd009]

I can't see it like that.

yet it is, literally, a cliche` right.

 

[bbyrd009]

I already said that if I did it would be works based salvation. Works cannot save us but they are necessary.

Say you love someone and then you don't see them for a few years.
But you remain faithful.
Then you see the person again and you get married.
Is the marriage a reward for faithfulness?
(I don't believe it is)

funny you mention marriage in this context; going in to a marriage, we anticipate one thing, whereas actually being in a marriage is something else entirely, right. But tbh i think we are mixing metaphors now, most ppl rarely invoke the concept of marriage when contemplating their reward

 

[GodsGrace]

funny you mention marriage in this context; going in to a marriage, we anticipate one thing, whereas actually being in a marriage is something else entirely, right. But tbh i think we are mixing metaphors now, most ppl rarely invoke the concept of marriage when contemplating their reward

I got what I anticipated.
Everyone has their own experience.