Dinosaur conspiracy!?

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It is not that scientists claim they have evidence, but that the assumptions are that evolution has taken place.

That evolutionists will not permit evolution to be publicly challenged is clear that the evidence doesn't stand up to examination.
you posit some grand conspiracy of scientists, who use evo because it is the best explanation, period, not bc they are antichrist or anything.

"evolutionists will not permit evolution to be publicly challenged" like they have a lock on the internet or something lol pls.
 

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so iow i am not disagreeing with you really, but the definition of evolution is being rewritten as we speak, and trust me there are scientists forwarding "your" position too ok, there is no grand conspiracy
 

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ha well c'mon, only these are different species, not connected at all, except that the resistance somehow gets xferred, you don't think that raises more Qs than it answers? it's easy to blithely say "no new info added," but it was new info to the new bacteria, who measurably did not know it before. i mean, i didn't mean to imply that i was worried about superbugs or anything lol; i would certainly reflect upon any info that contributes to an understanding, but to be fair where you say "again, no new info," i note that nobel laureates debate and do not know, so imo it is fair for me to question what you state as fact that is only theory to everyone else

The only theory I see being proposed here is the belief that by the magic wand of time and chance, a frog will turn into a handsome dark skinned prince. I'm not proposing theories, I am simply stating the facts of what's been observed and reported in various scientific journals and articles, not philosophy, or religion, or assumptions like you have been doing.
 

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The only theory I see being proposed here is the belief that by the magic wand of time and chance, a frog will turn into a handsome dark skinned prince. I'm not proposing theories, I am simply stating the facts of what's been observed and reported in various scientific journals and articles, not philosophy, or religion, or assumptions like you have been doing.
ah, you're stating the facts, ok, then i need to go, bc i don't have any facts bro, best of luck there
 

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anyone who makes statements of truth should be suspected, because Scripture informs us that the truth cannot be said in the manner that we think it can, as anyone contesting the "truth" will argue.
the first to tell his side seems right, until another comes and cross examines him, etc
But revelation is truth
 
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I meant that once someone has heard or had confirmation from above, that is truth....Everything we people come up with , we won't know if truth or not, unless He says so..
 

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I meant that once someone has heard or had confirmation from above, that is truth....Everything we people come up with , we won't know if truth or not, unless He says so..

Well, we've got lots of people here and elsewhere claiming to have confirmation from above concerning the truth. I have grown very weary of such people, because they are the ones often proposing the biggest load of baloney one could possibly imagine. Some people will jokingly say that God put the dinosaur bones here to test our faith. I don't believe this to be the case at all, however, I am instead thoroughly convinced that God put atheists and theistic evolutionists here to test our faith though. It might be their only purpose in life. :p
 
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Well, we've got lots of people here and elsewhere claiming to have confirmation from above concerning the truth. I have grown very weary of such people, because they are the ones often proposing the biggest load of baloney one could possible imagine. Some people will jokingly say that God put the dinosaur bones here to test our faith. I don't believe this to be the case at all, however, I am instead thoroughly convinced that God put atheists and theistic evolutionists here to test our faith though. It might be their only purpose in life. :p
Yep, I have met pretenders also, but they always give themselves away.....Some are just weak in faith where as others will deliberately try to bring confusion....If we were to all sincerely come together to seek The Lord and seek Truth and put away all the contentions and nay saying ( just because of ignorance), we might get somewhere, but then most people I have met who say they are believers, seem to believe everything except the fact that Jesus is alive and well able to speak to us still...
 
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Yep, I have met pretenders also, but they always give themselves away.....Some are just weak in faith where as others will deliberately try to bring confusion....If we were to all sincerely come together to seek The Lord and seek Truth and put away all the contentions and nay saying ( just because of ignorance), we might get somewhere, but then most people I have met who say they are believers, seem to believe everything except the fact that Jesus is alive and well able to speak to us still...

Agree'd, and some people will blame the discord among believers on Satan just being on his job. While that may be true to an extent, much of the infighting can still be blamed on our own incompetence in handling God's word, and this is made even worse by the fact that they claim to be "led by the holy ghost".
 
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Agree'd, and some people will blame the discord among believers on Satan just being on his job. While that may be true to an extent, much of the infighting can still be blamed on our own incompetence in handling God's word, and this is made even worse by the fact that they claim to be "led by the holy ghost".
For sure, and even peoples pride which we are also supposed to lose when we spend out time with Jesus, albeit it difficult for humans lol
 

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you posit some grand conspiracy of scientists, who use evo because it is the best explanation, period, not bc they are antichrist or anything.

"evolutionists will not permit evolution to be publicly challenged" like they have a lock on the internet or something lol pls.

No it is not the best explanation period, it is the only explanation they are prepared to concider.

Which as they are scientists shows that they are not as open or as fair minded as they claim.

Creation is a viable option, but because it involves God and God mean being responcible to him, they rule creation out as a non viable option.
 

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But revelation is truth
i wouldn't deny that, as long as the revelation came from God. But one might easily get a revelation not from God, too. A revelation that if you bought fire insurance on a used house you just bought to flip that has faulty wiring, and then you could just load up the house grid until a fire breaks out and you can double your profit is still a revelation, right. And the truth is that you can still double your profit. So yes, revelation is truth.
 
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I think what we may regard as "truth" is only relative to him....that is unless he believes it, and then it becomes objective truth.....:rolleyes:.
go with that then, if my arguments fail in your opinion, and on top of that i appear to be in denial that they have failed; but then you should at least have one example of this objective truth of mine, right. What is it?

And sorry if i have offended you somehow, i guess we are operating under different premises here, won't happen again
 
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No it is not the best explanation period, it is the only explanation they are prepared to concider.

Which as they are scientists shows that they are not as open or as fair minded as they claim.

Creation is a viable option, but because it involves God and God mean being responcible to him, they rule creation out as a non viable option.
you have established a conspiracy theory here, one that i remember from my church days, but honestly nothing could be further from the truth, and there is no "they" that seek to keep creationism occluded as this suggests. And at one time i wanted there to be, in the worst way, ok. There are many, many scientists challenging any theory, and the aspects of every theory, evolution included.

Pre-internet, i guess opps to suppress creationism prolly existed, but really even now, how do you prove that God twinkled His nose to make Adam? What path do you suggest that a scientist proceed upon, when the rib math does not add up, and your progeny are sometimes born with fur or a tail? Call the tail a "spinal extension" instead? lol, ok

Now, God twinkling His nose to make Adam, this certainly has less support, but you might see that assuming the creation account happened in a literal 6 days is just that, an assumption, and there is no reason it couldn't have taken a million or a billion years to make Adam from the Dust of the Earth, except that that does not fit with your preconceptions, right? i mean, do you have any other reason to believe that Adam got made instantaneously, or in 20 minutes or whatever, than the impressions provided you by some guy who seemed convinced himself, after he got them the same way?

And after you answer that, understand why it becomes a reasonable question to ask you if you ever gave this person any money, ok.
 
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now fwiw i don't know the mechanics of how Adam was literally made, and if God twinkled His nose and did it that's fine with me.

But understand why i am not inclined to accept the belief of ppl who tell their children that a fat white guy in a red suit is going to bring them presents on Jesus' birthday if they have properly obeyed and committed no sins, and that an Easter Bunny will bring them candy during Passover, too. wadr.

do we need to review the truth that many psychopathic types are drawn to ministry, and can be very charismatic and persuasive?
 
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go with that then, if my arguments fail in your opinion, and on top of that i appear to be in denial that they have failed; but then you should at least have one example of this objective truth of mine, right. What is it?
how do you skip a post like this and still sleep at night, i gotta wonder
 

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Absolutely, but quite often others to whom it was not revealed will rebuke you for proclaiming it.
Yes they do...I am sure you have seen your fair share too....I was so 'ignorant/innocent' in the beginning about the things of God and certainly Christians, as I was believing people would be over the moon to find out that Jesus is right here beside us at all times, whether we have our back toward Him or not....I sure was.......But I haven't found too many believers who were happy to hear that :)
 
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