Tell me what is loveable about such a God

[bbyrd009]

Well, I have done so exhaustively over a great amount of time.

ah--just not right now, i guess. ok.

But you were referring to scripture "against" what I have just said, so I am asking you to point it out.

ya, i would but those seem to go nowhere too; if you see no problem, then no problem i guess

 

[ScottA]

ah--just not right now, i guess. ok.
ya, i would but those seem to go nowhere too; if you see no problem, then no problem i guess

Well, perhaps it would help to take them point by point when they come up (precept upon precept)...otherwise you are right, things go nowhere.

 

[junobet]

My praise is to God, and I do hope we can speak as brothers and in the love of Christ.

Sure brother, feel free to comment on anything I’ve written here and explain why you think it is wrong. It would be nice though, if you could refrain from ‘arguments’ such as “I got my intel directly from God”. While I respect your personal religious experiences, this kind of killer-argument leads nowhere. Instead remember that probably all of us think they have a special relationship with God that inspires their views. And thank God these days we don’t burn each other on the stake any more when our views differ.

 

[ScottA]

Sure brother, feel free to comment on anything I’ve written here and explain why you think it is wrong. It would be nice though, if you could refrain from ‘arguments’ such as “I got my intel directly from God”. While I respect your personal religious experiences, this kind of killer-argument leads nowhere. Instead remember that probably all of us think they have a special relationship with God that inspires their views. And thank God these days we don’t burn each other on the stake any more when our views differ.

Well, I've gotta tell you, that sounds a whole lot like what Jesus chastised Israel for, for killing the prophets He sent them. If you are not going to welcome a word from God, it is a sure sign that "he who now restrains" is still at work. Too bad.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, perhaps it would help to take them point by point when they come up (precept upon precept)...otherwise you are right, things go nowhere.

tbh what i think is going on is that you have had a revelation from God, and after all which of us here would have listened to John Revelate in a post here without disbelief? so, that could be going on

but the apparent negation of free will bugs me, change your mind seems negated of necessity too, and i have objections about how you have tied into Scripture also, with what comes across wadr as a formula for "nevermind." plus your reluctance to admit the name of this discipline, which you are surely aware of?

 

[bbyrd009]

Sure brother, feel free to comment on anything I’ve written here and explain why you think it is wrong. It would be nice though, if you could refrain from ‘arguments’ such as “I got my intel directly from God”. While I respect your personal religious experiences, this kind of killer-argument leads nowhere. Instead remember that probably all of us think they have a special relationship with God that inspires their views. And thank God these days we don’t burn each other on the stake any more when our views differ.

word

 

[bbyrd009]

 

[ScottA]

tbgh what i think is going on is that you have had a revelation from God, and after all which of us here would have listened to John Revelate in a post here without disbelief? so, that could be going on

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[ScottA]

but the apparent negation of free will bugs me, change your mind seems negated of necessity too, and i have objections about how you have tied into Scripture also, with what comes across wadr as a formula for "nevermind." plus your reluctance to admit the name of this discipline, which you are surely aware of?

My only discipline is to the Truth.

But the confusion comes from going at it from both sides. The same is true of the scriptures. Which, if you haven't noticed, leave a house divided...the Mount of Olives. But that is another matter. For now, it is enough to explain the parable of what is manifest, to speak in terms of what is manifest, to speak within the laws of the parable as if it were a truth unto itself, and also, to speak of the subject of the parable rather than getting hung up on the terms and laws of the object. We have done both, but you prefer the object worldly version which is not the point. Do you not comprehend that if we only reason about the words of lambs, we will not attain the truth of God, except by example, which you deny because lambs are not proof enough of God?

Likewise, if I tell you openly the truth of God and it does not ring of worldly logic, are you going to remain a fool forever, and not hear of it?

So, I have told you that all things pertaining to God are without time, and that all things pertaining to the world are like a story that is written that only has a timeline within, but not without. That a story that takes a day to read, or seven, but has a timeline within the story line that is seven thousand years - are you not capable of understanding that it is just an analogy, and that it is only an analogy because we are speaking of it from within the story line?

Is a fly flying 7 mph within a car traveling 70 mph, going 7 mph or 77 mph? Can we not reason outside the car in which we are traveling? Can you not keep the two straight? Can you not leave the one behind?

"If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" John 3:12

"Rise up, let us be going."

 

[bbyrd009]

if I tell you openly the truth of God and it does not ring of worldly logic, are you going to remain a fool forever, and not hear of it?

So, I have told you

ok bro, believe that if you like, that Scripture causes division, and the earth is the world, believe that if you wanna, ok, i don't really care what ppl believe anyway, doesn't affect me. You're fine just like you are. But revelations are funny things ok, i could paint you a picture of a recent revelation that you could not deny was truth, yet would not want to be associated with. You have no witnesses for a good reason, i guess; the same reason you cannot quote any Scripture for your cause, except possibly in the most general way.
Jesus complexes are pretty common, i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

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tbh what i think is going on...

 

[bbyrd009]

My only discipline is to the Truth.

ya, tares are powerful stuff i guess ok, just Quote me where any human in Scripture's only discipline is truth, awright, and we'll move on then. If you found truth, then someone else did too, and you should be able to quote that. What i Read is quite different tho wadr

 

[ScottA]

ok bro, believe that if you like, that Scripture causes division, and the earth is the world, believe that if you wanna, ok, i don't really care what ppl believe anyway, doesn't affect me. You're fine just like you are. But revelations are funny things ok, i could paint you a picture of a recent revelation that you could not deny was truth, yet would not want to be associated with. You have no witnesses for a good reason, i guess; the same reason you cannot quote any Scripture for your cause, except possibly in the most general way.
Jesus complexes are pretty common, i guess

You are mocking the process that God has put in place.

In other words, it is not me, but God, that has created a world (and an earth) that is seen and is a manifestation of what is unseen and the source of that manifestation. He has confounded all language. He has spoken only in parables. He has made it so the scriptures must be discerned spiritually. He has shrouded scripture as a glass dimly. He has established that all truth would come ONLY in the last days via the Holy Spirit...and NOT via scripture.

But I tell you that I am perfectly aligned with all of that and you mock me too.

 

[ScottA]

ya, tares are powerful stuff i guess ok, just Quote me where any human in Scripture's only discipline is truth, awright, and we'll move on then. If you found truth, then someone else did too, and you should be able to quote that. What i Read is quite different tho wadr

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth

 

[bbyrd009]

But I tell you that I am perfectly aligned with all of that and you mock me too.

it's not that i mean to mock you, but that this pov mocks Scripture, at least in my understanding. "i am perfectly aligned" = "i am not deceived," etc

 

[bbyrd009]

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth

amen, and witnesses will verify this for you, they will not come against you.
One witness might, but many, repeatedly is a different sign, at least to me.
Tares provide "revelations," too, i guess

 

[junobet]

Well, I've gotta tell you, that sounds a whole lot like what Jesus chastised Israel for, for killing the prophets He sent them. If you are not going to welcome a word from God, it is a sure sign that "he who now restrains" is still at work. Too bad.

Well, I too sometimes feel like a voice of one calling in the wilderness in this forum. *sigh*

 

[ScottA]

it's not that i mean to mock you, but that this pov mocks Scripture, at least in my understanding. "i am perfectly aligned" = "i am not deceived," etc

If you see it as mocking scripture, then we are not communicating. That is different.

As I said, scripture itself would appear to contradict itself and lead to a house divided. But there is no contradiction with God, only with men. Even Jesus is recorded as having to clarify that He was telling the truth: "Verily, verily, I tell you the truth..." The problem resides with us.

 

[ScottA]

amen, and witnesses will verify this for you, they will not come against you.
One witness might, but many, repeatedly is a different sign, at least to me.
Tares provide "revelations," too, i guess

No. That might be nice or idea, but that is not the reality.

The historic track record is rather that they killed the prophets, the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

Is that one statement alone not convincing enough?

 

[bbyrd009]

Is that one statement alone not convincing enough?

well, i guess a poll here would tell you that, or your fruit would too, only we are not really privvy to it, but chiefly imo your lack of Scriptural support for any of your central points is a killer, i guess