OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

[Richard_oti]

Just looking at the Greek it is possible. I don't know the language.

As @BreadOfLife already addressed this, I see no need to say much more.

Both my German and my Spanish translations use words corresponding better to the "narrow". But that is not my main reason for going the way I do. One reason why I never seriously consider changing from the KJV as my primary English Bible is that it regularly uses a second word with approximately the same meaning in the same verse to reinforce the message so that even in translations the meaning hopefully won't be lost. Of course, when the two similar words are translated differently it could cause confusion as in this case: hard and narrow instead of strait and narrow.

Some years ago I purchased a book called "The Language of the King James Bible" by Gail Riplinger which goes into this in a lot of detail with many examples. I don't read that book much anymore but I do read my Bible and I am often on the watch for such pairs of words.

I understand your point and were you are coming from. But I also understand BreadofLife's point and where he is coming from. From my perspective, both can work. We could even render it such as narrow : hard.

The KJV renders it strait : narrow.
The ASV narrow : straitened.

Perhaps take a look at Strong's G4728.

 

[Taken]

OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. <--- OP

False.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Grams]

I did not get saved till I left the Catholic Church....... And I even went to the Catholic Church for some 6 years.......!!! [ " I mean school ! " ]]

Maybe times have changed ? I sure pray they have ! I left the church in the 1980's.......

 

[epostle1]

OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. <--- OP

False.

God Bless,
Taken

I agree it's false because the OP misrepresents what the Church teaches. "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is one that is constantly misinterpreted by those who won't submit to the Magisterium of the Church. Faith does not depend upon our ability to reason to the truth but on our humility before the Truth presented to us by those to whom Christ entrusted that task.

This is why the First Vatican Council taught that it is the task of the Magisterium ALONE to determine and expound the meaning of the Tradition - including "outside the Church no salvation." It is not for anti-Catholics to determine and expound the meaning of the Tradition, twisting and distorting at every turn.

Outside The Church There Is No Salvation

Is There Really "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?" | Catholic Answers

 

[Grams]

The Opposite for me..............

 

[Taken]

I agree it's false because the OP misrepresents what the Church teaches. "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is one that is constantly misinterpreted by those who won't submit to the Magisterium of the Church. Faith does not depend upon our ability to reason to the truth but on our humility before the Truth presented to us by those to whom Christ entrusted that task.

This is why the First Vatican Council taught that it is the task of the Magisterium ALONE to determine and expound the meaning of the Tradition - including "outside the Church no salvation." It is not for anti-Catholics to determine and expound the meaning of the Tradition, twisting and distorting at every turn.

Outside The Church There Is No Salvation

Is There Really "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?" | Catholic Answers

I disagree with the title of the Thread.
It presumes the Catholic Church is "Thee" Church, where as I believe Christ Jesus' Church is "Thee" Church, and Jesus is the Rock upon whom the Church is built; the Foundation being Jesus Is the Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Grams]

I never felt saved all my 50 some years of going to the Catholic Church...
I was never told to use a bible only the prayer book and the rosary , moved to a bible church and got saved reading GODs word!

 

[aspen]

The OP is written by a person ‘outside the Catholic Church’ ....hmmm

 

[lforrest]

The OP is written by a person ‘outside the Catholic Church’ ....hmmm

Didn't he think theirs is the only true church and exclude the RCC along with all the others?

 

[aspen]

Didn't he think theirs is the only true church and exclude the RCC along with all the others?

Indeed. Sort of like the LDS church

 

[Taken]

I never felt saved all my 50 some years of going to the Catholic Church...
I was never told to use a bible only the prayer book and the rosary , moved to a bible church and got saved reading GODs word!

That's sad with a happy ending.
I have known others with similar beginnings, but can't say they also have found what you have.

God Bless You,
Taken

 

[Grams]

Thank you Taken, It sure was a big difference!

Specially going to a priest to confess, it never made me feel better !

I do pray they have changed !

 

[Taken]

Thank you Taken, It sure was a big difference!

Specially going to a priest to confess, it never made me feel better !

I do pray they have changed !

Blessed day to you ~

For some reason, many I speak to about the Lord, who have had some religious background in the Bible, and now reject all things based on "God", seem to have been formally raised Catholic.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

lol

 

[epostle1]

Thank you Taken, It sure was a big difference!

Specially going to a priest to confess, it never made me feel better !

I do pray they have changed !

Wanna know why ex-Catholics become anti-Catholics?

 

[Grams]

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Thank you Taken, It sure was a big difference!

Specially going to a priest to confess, it never made me feel better !

I do pray they have changed !
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Wanna know why ex-Catholics become anti-Catholics?

Because they kept teaching us from the old testament! and did not tell us to get a bible............!

 

[GodsGrace]

I disagree with the title of the Thread.
It presumes the Catholic Church is "Thee" Church, where as I believe Christ Jesus' Church is "Thee" Church, and Jesus is the Rock upon whom the Church is built; the Foundation being Jesus Is the Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken,
I'd like to welcome you to the forum.
This may be your first one.
We're blessed to have you here-
However, you make statements but don't say why you make them or back them up with anything. It could be scripture or anything else you deem important.

Just a thought for you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wanna know why ex-Catholics become anti-Catholics?

Why?
I'm an ex Catholic.
I'm not anti-Catholic.

 

[Taken]

Taken,
I'd like to welcome you to the forum.
This may be your first one.
We're blessed to have you here-
However, you make statements but don't say why you make them or back them up with anything. It could be scripture or anything else you deem important.

Just a thought for you.

Thank you for the Welcome.
No, this is not my first posting, and much of my exchange was on something not found in Scripture since it was personal experience.

Pss 18:2
Jesus is the Rock.

Matt 16:
16:
...thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God..

Matt 16:
18
...upon this rock...I will build my church...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[amadeus]

Why?
I'm an ex Catholic.
I'm not anti-Catholic.

This is me too, but I know of at least one person on the forum that would disagree with us without ever dreaming of calling us liars.