Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

I even wonder if the original text says that Judas was a devil...and how the original wording was. I suspect it is some off the cuff remark like Jesus when He rebuked Peter...Peter was not Satan...he had just let down his guard and said something which is what Satan wanted too...Jesus was rebuking Satan to get behind Him and for speaking through Peter as in ' Jesus not to go to the cross.'

....H

Yes, and we have to remember that being God - Jesus knew what was in Judas's heart and what he would later do.

 

[bbyrd009]

We who are saved, already, have...

made an assumption, from pride, that will kill you if you do not change your mind, imo
much better to maintain a hope of salvation, i think

 

[Taken]

well, that's where Word is, that's the only place Word can be, Word requires moving air, even if that seems like a weird requirement said in words.
wait as long as you like, ok, but trust me Jesus is done, all done

Nope ~ accomplished and finished, as he said.

John 19: 28: 30

Rev 21: 6. Is it is done.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Waiting on Jesus? Sure we wait to see the manifestation.

ha, but you are the Body of Christ, right. Who then should be doing the manifesting

 

[Taken]

we can hold concepts in our minds without words, and we can think in concepts without using words, as demonstrated when we have something clear in our minds, but must seek the right words to express the concept? Basically, words are not necessary for thought, is another way to put that

Yet words are handy for expression, relaying our thoughts to another.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Nope ~ accomplished and finished, as he said.

not sure why you say "no" here, if you are now agreeing with me?

 

[bbyrd009]

Yet words are handy for expression, relaying our thoughts to another.

God Bless,
Taken

one might think so, yes, but speaking in tongues tells me differnt wadr.
finding another human who speaks the same "language" as me is rare enough that we even have a euphemism for it, "sympatico."

you and i share the same terms, syntax even, but we can be observed to also barely be speaking the same language in another sense

 

[bbyrd009]

Yet words are handy for expression, relaying our thoughts to another.

God Bless,
Taken

words are also a great way to confuse, iow

state any "absolute truth" from Scripture, and i can state an opposing absolute truth, generally from the same Book. This was not done accidentally, but to show the nature of truth, which cannot be determined by us absolutely, regardless of what a determinist--you, in this case, right up there, see--will assure you is "truth."

not denying that you are also correct in one sense too though, ok; but a point is that if you make "words are handy for expression, relaying our thoughts to another" into a law, you will be disappointed when your law turns out to be untrue

 

[GodsGrace]

Well , slap me sideways.
@bbyrd009 I have only just "got it"..as I have caught up on the pages here I can see what you mean now Mark, when you say that we live under the law.
But as I read it seems to me you have lumped God law and man's law together.
Yes I live "under" the law..because the local law here is that we have 24 hours to clear our sidewalks of snow and ice, if we don't we can be fined $250.
My poor husband was out there all day doing just that...because the snow did not stop and we live on a corner with a big lot, so he has about 60 ft to keep clear.
So yes we live under and honour mans law. And by and in God's law of love, we live by and honour God's law. But I do not have to 'keep' God law in a legalistic way...it is a love choice.

But, now I get-you...when you say that we all live under the law..you mean of the land...right?

Don't think you got it yet BG.
But I won't bud in.
I'll just say this:
To be UNDER THE LAW, means to be under all those laws that Moses demanded the people follow. Some were from God and some weren't.
The Law determined whether or not you were righteous. People in the O.T. were righteous of their own workings.

After Jesus we still have to follow GOD'S law. But it becomes easy to follow and possible to follow whereas before it was very difficult.
We are no longer UNDER THE LAW. Our righteousness is imputed to us by Jesus and if we stumble He is there to pick us up.

We can lose our salvation if we STOP following Jesus, who is our Savior and our Lord. NOT if we do not follow the laws properly. God does want us to do our best.

 

[bbyrd009]

Don't think you got it yet BG.
But I won't bud in.
I'll just say this:
To be UNDER THE LAW, means to be under all those laws that Moses demanded the people follow.

"demanded the ppl follow" is likely the best reflection of "under the law" there imo.

If you call the police when your house gets burgled, you are under the law, obviously, as the Grace option has been refused at that point. No one considers law from the other end though, huh

 

[Taken]

bc heaven is not some other place, that you are dying to get to

Heaven is another place of Pure Light separated from Earth with a firmament, whereas Earth has Light and Darkness.

Earth was created as a habitat for mankind, that has not changed. What shall change, is the barrier of the firmament; when the Pure Light of Heaven shall encompass the Earth with only Light, as Darkness, (literally), and the Darkness of Sin upon the Earth and fallen spirits and unsaved mankind is subdued.

Meantime ~ spirits and souls of the deceased saved are kept in Heaven, temporarily.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

Heaven is another place of Pure Light separated from Earth with a firmament, whereas Earth has Light and Darkness.

Earth was created as a habitat for mankind, that has not changed. What shall change, is the barrier of the firmament; when the Pure Light of Heaven shall encompass the Earth with only Light, as Darkness, (literally), and the Darkness of Sin upon the Earth and fallen spirits and unsaved mankind is subdued.

Meantime ~ spirits and souls of the deceased saved are kept in Heaven, temporarily.

God Bless,
Taken

Beautifully said.

 

[Taken]

ok, and It's also walking around, here, on the earth, so again with the "heaven" as a separate place, i guess

if we are the Body of Christ, it should be obvious that Christ lacks a Body to come back and save us again with, lol
this is the definition of "Christ being called back to make another sacrifice" imo

No. Christ Jesus descends from heaven to the clouds; calls up His People, glorifies their bodies. Jesus, the Son of man, then return to earth, WITH His (reputation) ie POWER...

Men can SEE Him, and He has His POWER to effect what further must be accomplished...
With fallen spirits, Unbelievers.

There is not another bodily, blood sacrifice of Jesus. However there is the Word of God being spread over the world, By Angels and the 144,000 Sealed ministers. They who hear and believe, shall be also raptured, (received up during the times of the Seals being opened.)...thereafter, they left shall experience the Wrath.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Helen]

Meantime ~ spirits and souls of the deceased saved are kept in Heaven, temporarily.

God Bless,
Taken

I know this is between you and bbyrd009 , but I just have to pick up on this comment. ( I knew it was too good to be true that we would agree on everything. )

If the Day of any Judgement has not come...( if you are a conformist, and don't believe that God poured out all judgement onto Jesus at the cross)....then how can deceased souls be kept in 'heaven'.
This sound confusing to me...it implies that man has already been judged, so no more need of a Day Of Judgement...it also implies that atheists, satanists and everyone else who is dead....is there "in heaven".

Looking forward to your response.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nope ~ accomplished and finished, as he said.

John 19: 28: 30

Rev 21: 6. Is it is done.

God Bless,
Taken

That's NOT what the Bible says.
It says that the WORK for our redemption was done on the cross. Our cooperation with that work is necessary.

Redemption is not salvation. Redemption means that we have been paid for - NOT forgiven.
Everybody who ever lived and WILL ever lived is redeemed. NOT all, however will be saved.

The Bible tells us that we have HOPE as Christians . . .

Heb. 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things HOPED for, the conviction of things not seen.

1 Pet. 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the HOPE that you have.

1 Cor. 13:13
So now faith, HOPE, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

 

[bbyrd009]

Christ Jesus descends from heaven to the clouds; calls up His People, glorifies their bodies.

ha, or at least you really, really hope so, right; likely you have even made up your mind here, i guess.
But that does not make what is in your mind true, see; that is just what you currently believe will happen in some undefined future
iow a child can also be deceived if you tell them "stay here for the present," see, via a misunderstanding of the same type

 

[GodsGrace]

That's NOT what the Bible says.
It says that the WORK for our redemption was done on the cross. Our cooperation with that work is necessary.

Redemption is not salvation. Redemption means that we have been paid for - NOT forgiven.
Everybody who ever lived and WILL ever lived is redeemed. NOT all, however will be saved.

The Bible tells us that we have HOPE as Christians . . .

Heb. 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things HOPED for, the conviction of things not seen.

1 Pet. 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the HOPE that you have.

1 Cor. 13:13
So now faith, HOPE, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Good post.

 

[bbyrd009]

Men can SEE Him, and He has His POWER to effect what further must be accomplished...
With fallen spirits, Unbelievers.

we are the Body of Christ, right now, and that does not go with this, wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

No.

lol, ok, no it is then

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good post.

Thanks!

 

[Stranger]

And this is nothing but pathetic denial.

In your mind, you have twisted the Scripture to say that ALL of the Apostles - EXCEPT Judas went out and healed the sick and cast out demons - even though the Scriptures say that the TWELVE did collectively.

As I have admonished you MANY times here - denial ain't just a river in Egypt . . .

As usual, the Nile comes into play when you have nothing to say.

And as usual you refuse to answer my question. (1 Samuel 28:7-25) Who raised Samuel? God or the witch of En-dor?

In other words, as I have already said, even if Judas cast out demons it was only because Jesus gave the 12 the authority to do so. Either way, Judas was not a picture of one who was saved and then lost his salvation. Judas was a devil when Jesus chose him.

Stranger