Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[APAK]

Really?
Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

As I have shown you repeatedly - the Bible disagrees with you . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory - even to a blind person . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot "blot out" a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God "take away" somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

BreadOfLIfe:

Wait a minute, these are all the same verses you posed to me a few days ago. I rebutted ALL of them in detail, as I showed you how you misapplied and misused them ALL. Why are still peddling the same verses on Taken or anyone else. It that all you have? as I said today, you have 'no clothes' mate, admit it. I asked you to debate me on my responses and since then you have avoided me.

Question, are you a Catholic first or a Christian? Take you time.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[mjrhealth]

look at this way, if though His works, Christ cannot save you, than what hope do you have to save your self. And worst of all, if you do not have faith to believe He can save you, than what hope do you have at all. God is faith full even when we are not, as I said, this all comes down to men trying to prove himself greater than God. If one cries out to God , "save me". He will never give up on you till you are, thats just how HE is.

 

[Taken]

BreadOfLIfe:

Wait a minute, these are all the same verses you posed to me a few days ago. I rebutted ALL of them in detail, as I showed you how you misapplied and misused them ALL. Why are still peddling the same verses on Taken or anyone else. It that all you have? as I said today, you have 'no clothes' mate, admit it. I asked you to debate me on my responses and since then you have avoided me.

Question, are you a Catholic first or a Christian? Take you time.

Bless you,

APAK

Born in sin, separated from God ~
Learn about Christ Lord God Almighty ~
Decide to believe the knowledge or fall away~
Confess Belief in ones Heart ~
Receive Forgiveness ~
Receive the Gift of Salvation ~ ONCE ~
Forever the Lords Power keeps ~

Not rocket science.

Seems some religions teach, INFANTS can be saved AND born again, WITHOUT the individual MAKING the confession of heartfelt belief ~ and thus Salvation was RECEIVED ~ and based on behavior ~ Such Salvation is at risk of being Lost.

Strange and pretty much makes the Individuals Election, the Lords Blood, and His Word of Forever, and His Power to Keep Forever........
irrelevant.

Brainwashing?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Triumph1300]

Seems some religions teach, INFANTS can be saved AND born again, WITHOUT the individual MAKING the confession of heartfelt belief ~ and thus Salvation was RECEIVED ~ and based on behavior ~ Such Salvation is at risk of being Lost.

Yes, sprinkle a bit of water on them.
As soon as possible after birth.
Because when a baby should die without being sprinkled, the baby would go to hell.
Bizarre.

 

[Taken]

Yes, sprinkle a bit of water on them.
As soon as possible after birth.
Because when a baby should die without being sprinkled, the baby would go to hell.
Bizarre.

I also find that strange, AS IF, one can decide for another what the other believes.

The Lord Himself already KNOWS before a person is born, WHAT that persons heart shall choose. I'm confident tradition does not save a person, rather that it is the Power of God.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Really?
Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

Jesus Gave His Body, His Blood, for the life of the World.

IOW - the Whole World, can have Salvation.

Salvation IS A GIFT, to the Whole World, that the Whole world can have eternal Life.

John 6: 51
John 6: 54

If one does not take the GIFT, they lose out on RECEIVING the Gift.

So yes, a man CAN LOSE the Gift of Salvation, BECAUSE HE NEVER RECEIVED IT!!!

Luke 22:19

ONCE a man HAS RECEIVED SALVATION -
It is FOREVER.

Your understanding is FAULTY and in ERROR.

When someone OFFERS you a GIFT; IF you do not reach out and TAKE the GIFT....

Do you HAVE the gift? No
Do you POSESS the gift? No
Do you POSESS the benefit of the gift? No
IF you NEVER TAKE the gift do you LOSE OUT on Possessing it, having it, benefitting from it? Yes

You are teaching a MAN who NEVER CLAIMS his Gift of Salvation somehow has the GIFT forced on Him, and he can LOSE the gift IF he doesn't DO WORKS to KEEP the Gift forced on him.

Weird.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Triumph1300]

What was the very first lie recorded in the Bible?
It was the devil, speaking through the serpent when he was talking to Eve.
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:4.
The devil has been deceiving people ever since with this lie.
"Once saved always saved", is another lie from Satan and people have been believing it for years and will be sadly surprised in the judgment...

 

[Taken]

Toddler, Juvenile, Babe Version;

The Lord HAS a GIFT of SALVATION for you.

Want it?
Claim it, and He shall give the Gift to you.

Don't Want it?
Don't claim it, and you shall Lose the Gift He prepared for you.

Claim it?
It is yours Forever. Kept unto you By the Lords Power.

Don't Claim it?
It is never in your possession. You lose it.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

What was the very first lie recorded in the Bible?
It was the devil, speaking through the serpent when he was talking to Eve.
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" Genesis 3:4.
The devil has been deceiving people ever since with this lie.
"Once saved always saved", is another lie from Satan and people have been believing it for years and will be sadly surprised in the judgment...

Error ~

The first Lie recorded in Scripture took place in Heaven AS the Earth was being created.

Isa 14:13
For thou (Lucifer) has said in thine heart.....
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.

Isa 14:14
...I will be like the most High.

Gen 3: 3-4 is an account of a fallen spirit, speaking to a body created out of the earth.

Yes it was a cunning lie of trickery that a fallen spirit with a higher degree of knowledge beguiled the female.

What you did not consider was;
The fallen spirit did not stuff the forbidden fruit in the woman's mouth.

THe fallen spirit OFFERED that the woman should EAT the fruit of the forbidden tree.

The woman REACHED OUT AND TOOK what the fallen spirit was encouraging her to TAKE.

Gen 3 : 6
....she TOOK of the fruit thereof,
....AND DID EAT.

The Lord Christ Jesus, OFFERS SALVATION to the World.

Any man WHO REACHES OUT AND TAKES...what the Lord offers...
Thus has RECEIVED SALVATION.

And Since Scripture TEACHES, TAKING and RECEIVING of SALVATION, is FOREVER, ETERNAL....

How does your stance against...
Once saved, Always, Forever, Eternal...

NOT, attempt to make the Lord out to be a liar ?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.

 

[Triumph1300]

How does your stance against...
Once saved, Always, Forever, Eternal...

NOT, attempt to make the Lord out to be a liar ?

Get behind me, Satan.

 

[Taken]

Get behind me, Satan.

You should be saying that to Satan since he seems to be influencing your rejection when the Lord gives a man Salvation, the man is SEALED forever.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

i see this a lot, this "giving of salvation" without the recognition that it is confession that leads to salvation--iow a forcing of "i am saved now, so i don't even have to apologize, bc i can do no wrong" and etc, "i am the authority now, not you, bc i love Jesus more," "the Good News is that if you accept what i am telling you, you will avoid going to hell" lol

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus Gave His Body, His Blood, for the life of the World.

IOW - the Whole World, can have Salvation.

Salvation IS A GIFT, to the Whole World, that the Whole world can have eternal Life.

John 6: 51
John 6: 54

If one does not take the GIFT, they lose out on RECEIVING the Gift.
So yes, a man CAN LOSE the Gift of Salvation, BECAUSE HE NEVER RECEIVED IT!!!

Luke 22:19
ONCE a man HAS RECEIVED SALVATION -
It is FOREVER.

Your understanding is FAULTY and in ERROR.
When someone OFFERS you a GIFT; IF you do not reach out and TAKE the GIFT....
Do you HAVE the gift? No
Do you POSESS the gift? No
Do you POSESS the benefit of the gift? No
IF you NEVER TAKE the gift do you LOSE OUT on Possessing it, having it, benefitting from it? Yes
You are teaching a MAN who NEVER CLAIMS his Gift of Salvation somehow has the GIFT forced on Him, and he can LOSE the gift IF he doesn't DO WORKS to KEEP the Gift forced on him.

Weird.
God Bless,
Taken

Thank you for that verbose non-answer.

Now - try answering the question:
Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

 

[BreadOfLife]

BreadOfLIfe:

Wait a minute, these are all the same verses you posed to me a few days ago. I rebutted ALL of them in detail, as I showed you how you misapplied and misused them ALL. Why are still peddling the same verses on Taken or anyone else. It that all you have? as I said today, you have 'no clothes' mate, admit it. I asked you to debate me on my responses and since then you have avoided me.

Question, are you a Catholic first or a Christian? Take you time.

Bless you,

APAK

Where did you rebut all of these verses "in detail"??

Also - I am a Catholic Christian. To say Catholic OR Christian is an oxymoron.
Catholics were the very first Christians - 15 centuries before you Protestants called yourselves "Christian".

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Can people drive out demons the name of Jesus if they are totally lost and not born again?

I don't know.
Why don't you try it and tell us?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Where did you rebut all of these verses "in detail"??

Also - I am a Catholic Christian. To say Catholic OR Christian is an oxymoron.
Catholics were the very first Christians - 15 centuries before you Protestants called yourselves "Christian".

Protestants came into existence the day Rome tried to force everyone to become a catholic.
The true Christians had to go into hiding from the evil empire but they were there.
They were God's remnants.

 

[bbyrd009]

Where did you rebut all of these verses "in detail"??

Also - I am a Catholic Christian. To say Catholic OR Christian is an oxymoron.
Catholics were the very first Christians - 15 centuries before you Protestants called yourselves "Christian".

i'm not sure being proud to be descended from Paul's "wolves" is such a good idea, BoL

 

[BreadOfLife]

Protestants came into existence the day Rome tried to force everyone to become a catholic.

Really??
What day was that, exactly?

The true Christians had to go into hiding from the evil empire but they were there.
They were God's remnants.

Really??
Show me some historical proof of these "remnants".

Funny how Protestants always claim there was a "faithful remnant" - yet they can never prove it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

i'm not sure being proud to be descended from Paul's "wolves" is such a good idea, BoL

As usual, what are you talking about?
You post one nonsensical comment after another without explaining yourself because you can't defend them.

There's a word for that - it's called "cowardice" . . .