The Inquisitions

[bbyrd009]

 

[aspen]

I suggest we use the Catholic and Protestant atrocities of Church history to expose our own spiritual atrocities and root them out.

 

[Triumph1300]

Can you quote a Protestant preacher apologizing for their Inquisitions?

Why should a protestant preacher apologize for something that was done by non-christians?
I have pointed that out to you before.
You should read the posts before you comment.

Can you quote a Roman Catholic preacher apologizing for what the ROMAN CATHOLICS did during THEIR inquisitions?

 

[Triumph1300]

If someone teaches or practices heresy, what are we to do with them? That is what the Inquisition's were about. Not the rejection of the gospel, like you seem to believe, but a twisting of scripture.

And we can thank Rome for that.

 

[aspen]

John Paul II’s letter of June 15, 2004 addressed to Cardinal Roger Etchegaray on the occasion of the release of the “Report of the International Symposium on the Inquisition.” In it, he reiterated the apology he made in his Apostolic letter Tertio millennio adveniente. He also repeated the petition of forgiveness he offered on the year 2000 Day of Forgiveness (March 12). This apology, he stated, would be “valid” for the “dramas linked to the Inquisition as well as for the wounds they have caused in the memory.”

 

[brakelite]

The inquisitions were but a small portion of the dangers non-Catholic believers faced if they wanted to practice their faith. We are told that the inquisitions, and charges of heresy etc, and the resulting excommunications and burnings only applied to Catholics. But what we hear very little about are the wars waged against the enemies of Rome, many of them peaceable people who simply wanted to live according to the dictates of their conscience and go about their business. Such as the Waldenses. The persecutions against them continued for centuries. Entire books have been written detailing the atrocities by Roman clerics and their civil army servants against these people.
Then there is the Celtic church in Britain...established long before any Roman missionary set foot on British soil...but becoming the subject and target of Rome for centuries because they refused to submit to Papal authority. It was the practice of Papal clerics marrying Catholic princesses to the sons of the British pagan kings, and influencing them to wage war against non-Catholic Christian communities.
All this, and more, took place well before Martin Luther came on the scene. There were many Christian communities throughout Europe, well before Protestantism, all of which were persecuted for their faith. This often entailed all out war being waged by well rewarded mercenaries on behalf of corrupt popes and evil clerics.
The irony is that many of these non-Catholic leaders in Britain were later canonised as saints by Rome, claiming them as their own. Such as Patrick, who never set as much as a little finger in that city, became a Christian partly because his father was a Christian...again, long before any Roman Catholic set foot in Britain. Another canonised was the founder of a great missionary and Bible college on the island of Iona. His name was Columba. The island suffered terminally at the hands of Vikings in the 8th century, but had for 300 years been a center of Gaelic or Celtic Christianity and missionary service to France, Germany, and Scandinavia.
Other leaders were Dinooth in Wales, Aiden in England and Columbanus of Ireland. Of course, modern scholarship under influence of Rome who would have it that Rome was ever the only Christian shop in town, has revised the history of these peoples to
a. make them in practice as close as they can to ritualistic Romanism
b. hide the true nature of how they were opposed so relentlessly by the saxons and others under orders from their kings who had surrendered to Papal authority.
The story of Augustine attempting to lord it over the Welsh church is a classic case...When the pope had sent Augustine with his forty monks to convert the heathen Anglo-Saxons, Augustine, with the help of Bertha, the Catholic wife of King Ethelbert of Kent, immediately began war on the Celtic Church of Wales. He demanded submission of the Christian society of nearly three thousand members at Bangor in north Wales. Augustine addressed the president of this society in these words: “Acknowledge the authority of Rome.” He promptly received the answer that the pope was not entitled to be called the “Father of fathers” and the only submission that they would render to him, would be that which they owed to every Christian. Augustine threatened them with the sword, and not long after the Welsh missionary school at Bangor was destroyed with up to 1200 young people, men, women, boys and girls, murdered by an army led by the pagan king Aethilfrith.
History attests to the fact that Papal supremacy and domination in Ireland did not take place until the middle of the 12th century. This was after wars waged by Roman influenced Vikings, and finally by William the Conquerer, a puppet of Rome. So the inquisitions in the violence and arrogance and intolerance of Rome is but a drop in the bucket. Add to the above the Lollards, the Albigenses, the Hussites......

 

[APAK]

The inquisitions were but a small portion of the dangers non-Catholic believers faced if they wanted to practice their faith. We are told that the inquisitions, and charges of heresy etc, and the resulting excommunications and burnings only applied to Catholics. But what we hear very little about are the wars waged against the enemies of Rome, many of them peaceable people who simply wanted to live according to the dictates of their conscience and go about their business. Such as the Waldenses. The persecutions against them continued for centuries. Entire books have been written detailing the atrocities by Roman clerics and their civil army servants against these people.
Then there is the Celtic church in Britain...established long before any Roman missionary set foot on British soil...but becoming the subject and target of Rome for centuries because they refused to submit to Papal authority. It was the practice of Papal clerics marrying Catholic princesses to the sons of the British pagan kings, and influencing them to wage war against non-Catholic Christian communities.
All this, and more, took place well before Martin Luther came on the scene. There were many Christian communities throughout Europe, well before Protestantism, all of which were persecuted for their faith. This often entailed all out war being waged by well rewarded mercenaries on behalf of corrupt popes and evil clerics.
The irony is that many of these non-Catholic leaders in Britain were later canonised as saints by Rome, claiming them as their own. Such as Patrick, who never set as much as a little finger in that city, became a Christian partly because his father was a Christian...again, long before any Roman Catholic set foot in Britain. Another canonised was the founder of a great missionary and Bible college on the island of Iona. His name was Columba. The island suffered terminally at the hands of Vikings in the 8th century, but had for 300 years been a center of Gaelic or Celtic Christianity and missionary service to France, Germany, and Scandinavia.
Other leaders were Dinooth in Wales, Aiden in England and Columbanus of Ireland. Of course, modern scholarship under influence of Rome who would have it that Rome was ever the only Christian shop in town, has revised the history of these peoples to
a. make them in practice as close as they can to ritualistic Romanism
b. hide the true nature of how they were opposed so relentlessly by the saxons and others under orders from their kings who had surrendered to Papal authority.
The story of Augustine attempting to lord it over the Welsh church is a classic case...When the pope had sent Augustine with his forty monks to convert the heathen Anglo-Saxons, Augustine, with the help of Bertha, the Catholic wife of King Ethelbert of Kent, immediately began war on the Celtic Church of Wales. He demanded submission of the Christian society of nearly three thousand members at Bangor in north Wales. Augustine addressed the president of this society in these words: “Acknowledge the authority of Rome.” He promptly received the answer that the pope was not entitled to be called the “Father of fathers” and the only submission that they would render to him, would be that which they owed to every Christian. Augustine threatened them with the sword, and not long after the Welsh missionary school at Bangor was destroyed with up to 1200 young people, men, women, boys and girls, murdered by an army led by the pagan king Aethilfrith.
History attests to the fact that Papal supremacy and domination in Ireland did not take place until the middle of the 12th century. This was after wars waged by Roman influenced Vikings, and finally by William the Conquerer, a puppet of Rome. So the inquisitions in the violence and arrogance and intolerance of Rome is but a drop in the bucket. Add to the above the Lollards, the Albigenses, the Hussites......

Brakelite:
Well said and pretty thorough.....I guess we need to think outside of the box of just the Inquisitions to gauge the true death toll and anguish brought about by Rome and their henchmen...it was a true conspiracy of massive proportions over many centuries, against those who loved God and defied the Pope.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Marymog]

Why should a protestant preacher apologize for something that was done by non-christians?
I have pointed that out to you before.
You should read the posts before you comment.

Can you quote a Roman Catholic preacher apologizing for what the ROMAN CATHOLICS did during THEIR inquisitions?

Hi,

Hmmmmm.......You do know that Luther and Calvin actively participated in The Inquisitions? Are those the non-Christians you are speaking of??

I can quote a Roman Catholic preacher that apologized. How about the leader of the RCC??? Is that good enough for you???
Pope says sorry for sins of church
Another papal apology for the Inquisition

And apologized for other sins of the past: Pope Francis Apologizes for Pentecostal Persecution, But Italy's Evangelicals Remain Wary

Soooo you are unable to provide any apologies????

You should learn your Christian history before you comment.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

And we can thank Rome for that.

Amen.... I agree.

Thank you Rome for defending scripture over the last 2,000 years and not allowing men to twist it. Thank you for being that shining light on a hill.

It's become tougher to defend scripture over the last 500 years after the revolution set forth by Martin Luther. Never give up. Never surrender.

Mary

 

[mjrhealth]

Amen.... I agree.

Thank you Rome for defending scripture over the last 2,000 years and not allowing men to twist it. Thank you for being that shining light on a hill.

It's become tougher to defend scripture over the last 500 years after the revolution set forth by Martin Luther. Never give up. Never surrender.

Mary

Too late Mary your church did that in teh very beginning, its all twisted, and you are a fine example of one who believes teh lies. And all those men involved and who continue to promote the lie, will have to answer for all they cause to stumble, that includes you.

 

[Marymog]

Too late Mary your church did that in teh very beginning, its all twisted, and you are a fine example of one who believes teh lies. And all those men involved and who continue to promote the lie, will have to answer for all they cause to stumble, that includes you.

Thank you for recognizing the historical fact that the Catholic Church has been here since the beginning of Christianity. I didn't know you knew so much about your Christian history?

Love Mary

 

[aspen]

Denominations are the exaltation of opinion over unity. I am beginning to see the importance of these human made divisions - we are called to love through them.

 

[bbyrd009]

I suggest we use the Catholic and Protestant atrocities of Church history to expose our own spiritual atrocities and root them out.

nice, ya, i can't think of any that don't personally apply to me, after all, or that i can at least understand on some level, as speaking to one of my desires.

 

[bbyrd009]

Denominations are the exaltation of opinion over unity. I am beginning to see the importance of these human made divisions - we are called to love through them.

yes, we are not called to debate or defend our beliefs
don't dispute other people's holidays, or observances
ya, google is hiding it today lol, but it's in There, also
one observes a single day, while another observes all days alike; they are all doing what they do unto God

 

[mjrhealth]

Thank you for recognizing the historical fact that the Catholic Church has been here since the beginning of Christianity. I didn't know you knew so much about your Christian history?

Love Mary

so has teh devil, nothing "Christ Like" in catholism.

 

[Marymog]

so has teh devil, nothing "Christ Like" in catholism.

Nothing Christ like in your response either. Are you Catholic?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The inquisitions were but a small portion of the dangers non-Catholic believers faced if they wanted to practice their faith. We are told that the inquisitions, and charges of heresy etc, and the resulting excommunications and burnings only applied to Catholics. But what we hear very little about are the wars waged against the enemies of Rome, many of them peaceable people who simply wanted to live according to the dictates of their conscience and go about their business. Such as the Waldenses. The persecutions against them continued for centuries. Entire books have been written detailing the atrocities by Roman clerics and their civil army servants against these people.
Then there is the Celtic church in Britain...established long before any Roman missionary set foot on British soil...but becoming the subject and target of Rome for centuries because they refused to submit to Papal authority. It was the practice of Papal clerics marrying Catholic princesses to the sons of the British pagan kings, and influencing them to wage war against non-Catholic Christian communities.
All this, and more, took place well before Martin Luther came on the scene. There were many Christian communities throughout Europe, well before Protestantism, all of which were persecuted for their faith. This often entailed all out war being waged by well rewarded mercenaries on behalf of corrupt popes and evil clerics.
The irony is that many of these non-Catholic leaders in Britain were later canonised as saints by Rome, claiming them as their own. Such as Patrick, who never set as much as a little finger in that city, became a Christian partly because his father was a Christian...again, long before any Roman Catholic set foot in Britain. Another canonised was the founder of a great missionary and Bible college on the island of Iona. His name was Columba. The island suffered terminally at the hands of Vikings in the 8th century, but had for 300 years been a center of Gaelic or Celtic Christianity and missionary service to France, Germany, and Scandinavia.
Other leaders were Dinooth in Wales, Aiden in England and Columbanus of Ireland. Of course, modern scholarship under influence of Rome who would have it that Rome was ever the only Christian shop in town, has revised the history of these peoples to
a. make them in practice as close as they can to ritualistic Romanism
b. hide the true nature of how they were opposed so relentlessly by the saxons and others under orders from their kings who had surrendered to Papal authority.
The story of Augustine attempting to lord it over the Welsh church is a classic case...When the pope had sent Augustine with his forty monks to convert the heathen Anglo-Saxons, Augustine, with the help of Bertha, the Catholic wife of King Ethelbert of Kent, immediately began war on the Celtic Church of Wales. He demanded submission of the Christian society of nearly three thousand members at Bangor in north Wales. Augustine addressed the president of this society in these words: “Acknowledge the authority of Rome.” He promptly received the answer that the pope was not entitled to be called the “Father of fathers” and the only submission that they would render to him, would be that which they owed to every Christian. Augustine threatened them with the sword, and not long after the Welsh missionary school at Bangor was destroyed with up to 1200 young people, men, women, boys and girls, murdered by an army led by the pagan king Aethilfrith.
History attests to the fact that Papal supremacy and domination in Ireland did not take place until the middle of the 12th century. This was after wars waged by Roman influenced Vikings, and finally by William the Conquerer, a puppet of Rome. So the inquisitions in the violence and arrogance and intolerance of Rome is but a drop in the bucket. Add to the above the Lollards, the Albigenses, the Hussites......

Hi Brakelite,

I sure am looking forward to your 600+ word dissertation on the protestant Inquisition's. After all, this thread is about The Inquisition's. I won't hold my breath...

Mary

 

[Helen]

Most of yours I "get" I do not get this one...what is it saying?
Thanks.

 

[aspen]

Most of yours I "get" I do not get this one...what is it saying?
Thanks.

‘Moo’

 

[brakelite]

Hi Brakelite,

I sure am looking forward to your 600+ word dissertation on the protestant Inquisition's. After all, this thread is about The Inquisition's. I won't hold my breath...

Mary

I don't need 600 plus words to describe Protestant inquisitions. Those protestants who involved themselves in any form of persecution, whether it be against Catholics, or as also happened against other Protestants who didn't tow the party line, were merely continuing a practice they were raised on while priests under the Roman system. They were wrong. Absolutely wrong. They hadn't grown up yet, and matured. They hadn't come to a full knowledge of God's ways and methods. True religious liberty didn't come about until Roger Williams settled in Rhode Island.
Protestants (at least most of them) have since learned what true religious liberty is all about. It is about having the freedom to worship according to the dictates of ones conscience. This also means allowing others that same freedom. Even to the point of not worshiping anything at all. I suggest you study your church's canons and beliefs. You may be shocked to discover that your doctrines do not allow this. They never have, and your church, over 1700 years, has lived and practiced its religion in full accordance with those doctrines of intolerance. And infallibility does not allow them to be removed.
While today your church does not persecute anyone, at least openly,(the secrets of the Jesuits notwithstanding) and since Vatican 2 has exhibited signs and made statements in favour of religious liberty, ( a good thing) I am convinced, that because those canons and dogmas still remain, that when given the opportunity, when given once again the power, as is taking place today within the ecumenical movement, and the Papacy restored to her former glory only on a global basis, then we shall see a resumption in persecutions, worse than ever the dark ages gave their voice to.