Three Days and Three Nights

[Taken]

Taken,
re: "I disagreed with your view expressed in your statement, as you determined 'night was 'over" some 8-9 hours before burial".

OK, maybe off by an hour or two, but the point is that the burial was during the daytime before the next calendar's day night began. But you were counting the crucifixion day's night time as one of the three nights that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of the" of the earth.

Bodies do not go to the "heart of the earth"
(Excepting judgement day, of the unsaved).

And bodies void of a soul, are dead.
Jesus' living soul departed His dead body, when His body was just about to die, and went to the "heart of the earth".

Burial is about the BODY, not the SOUL.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[FHII]

That is awesome someone can precisely calculate 72 hours equally divided of day and night over 2 thousand years ago, when it doesn't even work like that now.

Not a bother to argue over. 3 days, 3 nights, is sufficient for me.

I do not find 3 days, 3 nights ridiculous.
I do find defining the Hours, ridiculous, and not scriptural.....just as If you said you had dinner last night, I would not presume you were eating for 12 hours.

God Bless,
Taken

We aren't talking about me having dinner last night. Follow the timeline. Jesus was buried before 6 PM on Wednesday and rose before 6 PM Saturday.

There is no other way everything works out. I don't have to say, "well maybe.." by this timeline.

Yes. It is awesome that God gave the information to put the timelime to put it together. And it works out perfectly. God must have thoughr it was important.

 

[rstrats]

Taken,
re: "Jesus' living soul departed His dead body, when His body was just about to die, and went to the 'heart of the earth'".

OK, that would make it even earlier in the afternoon. That doesn't change your counting of the crucifixion day's night time as one of the three nights that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of the" of the earth.

 

[Taken]

We aren't talking about me having dinner last night. Follow the timeline. Jesus was buried before 6 PM on Wednesday and rose before 6 PM Saturday.

There is no other way everything works out. I don't have to say, "well maybe.." by this timeline.

Yes. It is awesome that God gave the information to put the timelime to put it together. And it works out perfectly. God must have thoughr it was important.

Are you calculating the time/hours His body was in the tomb, or the time/hours His soul was in the heart of the earth?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[FHII]

Are you calculating the time/hours His body was in the tomb, or the time/hours His soul was in the heart of the earth?

God Bless,
Taken

Nonsensical question. I have scripturl proof he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. That is what you must disprove. You can't.

Your question is simply a philosophical smoke screen.it does nothing but cloud the issue.

 

[Taken]

Nonsensical question. I have scripturl proof he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. That is what you must disprove. You can't.

Your question is simply a philosophical smoke screen.it does nothing but cloud the issue.

No need to get snarky.

No it was not a nonsensical question.
Jesus' body was not in the heart of the earth, it was in a cave.
His soul went to the heart of the earth, which would not be the same exact time, which you says is precise hours.

Nothing in Scripture identifies a Named day.
IF it was all that important, as you say, the day could have been named.

You are preaching exact hours, but do not include all the clues and facts along with your calculated timeline. (And timeline of what?
His body in the cave, or his soul in the heart of the earth).

Customs, holy days, consideration of length of days, are not the same every day, and outline, every Scriptural reference, spices bought, spices taken to use, And consider His anointing with oil, was done according to Him, sometime before He was crucified....etc.

Not a secret many people have different views on this subject, and each conclusion Wed, Thru, Fri, death of his body, has UNCLEAR language surrounding the conclusions.

As I already noted, arguing over different views is pointless to me being 3 days 3 nights in the heart of the earth, is sufficient for me.

This is an indepth subject, with a blip of an OP and so far blips of opinions.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[FHII]

No need to get snarky.

I am not being snarky. I don't like snarky. I am being serious.

No it was not a nonsensical question.
Jesus' body was not in the heart of the earth, it was in a cave

Lets just say he was dead. I don't care where he was. He died Wednesday. He rose Saturday.

You can split hairs and debate meanings all you want. But what I say is true.

His soul went to the heart of the earth, which would not be the same exact time, which you says is precise hours

Well if you want to define what his soul is, what the heart of the earth is and what exact hours are, go ahead. I am saying he died and was buried before 6 PM on Wednesday. If through all your defining of terms you can prove he died on friday... Fine. But you can't.

You are preaching exact hours, but do not include all the clues and facts along with your calculated timeline. (And timeline of what?

Try me. I am actually including all the clues. Every single one of them. Can you?

Nothing in Scripture identifies a Named day.

Well, they didn't call it Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday... But yes... The Bible does actually identifies days of the week. Especially the wekly Sabbath. That gives us a timelime.

Customs, holy days, consideration of length of days, are not the same every day, and outline, every Scriptural reference, spices bought, spices taken to use, And consider His anointing with oil, was done according to Him, sometime before He was crucified....etc.

That was a waste of space. Tou have said nothing.

 

[rstrats]

Taken,

Please explain how the Messiah's "soul" could have been in the "heart of the earth" during any portion of the crucifixion day's night time?

 

[FHII]

Taken,

Please explain how the Messiah's "soul" could have been in the "heart of the earth" during any portion of the crucifixion day's night time?

You are asking for nonsense... He is simply trying to cloud the issue.

 

[Taken]

...what I say is true.

So which Sabbath day were the women resting?

Luke 23:56

The Sabbath day (Wed) He was crucified?
Or
The Sabbath day (Sat) they hauled spices to his empty tomb then gathered with the men diciples?

 

[Taken]

You are asking for nonsense... He is simply trying to cloud the issue.

Why is being specific an attempt to cloud the issue? Get real man.

Already said this is an indepth study.
And every fact and clue pertaining to the issue is important.

UGH! Cloud the issue with facts and clues, Pffit.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Some Churches have the timing wrong because they listen to wolves in sheep's clothing and men's traditions.

Per John 19:14, Jesus was crucified on the preparation day at evening, the 14th of Nisan just before the passover at sunset.

(The Hebrew reckoning of a day and night is what was then used, the 24 hour day reckoned from sunset to the following sunset).

Per Matt.27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54, and John 19:31 & 42, Jesus' body was laid in the sepulchre on the preparation day just before the start of the 15th of Nisan at sunset. The 15th was to be the first day of the passover feast, and was to be held as a High Sabbath per Lev.23:7.

And Jesus rose sometime Sunday morning (first day of the week) after the regular weekly sabbath (reg. sabbath reckoning from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset).

In Matt.12:40, Jesus said His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. The time of His resurrection MUST fit that, no exceptions.

For the proper time of His resurrection to be sometime on the first day of the week, the count backwards reveals our Lord Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday Nisan 14 the preparation day, His body laid in the tomb just before sunset and then at that sunset the 15th Nisan began Thursday the high sabbath of the passover (not the regular weekly sabbath).

1st night (sunset to morning) = began at sunset on 15th Nisan, Thursday, the first day of the passover feast, a High Sabbath
1st day (morning to sunset) = day of the 15th Nisan, Thursday, the passover feast, still a High Sabbath. Not able to finish burial.
2nd night (sunset to morning) = Friday Nisan 16th.
2nd day (morning to sunset) = Friday day.
3rd night (sunset to morning) = Saturday, weekly sabbath start, Nisan 17th.
3rd day (morning to sunset) = Saturday day, weekly sabbath.
(sunset) - 3 days and 3 nights completed at sunset. Sabbath ended. Sometime after sunset Saturday Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week, Sunday.

Per Matthew 28:1, when the sabbath had ended on the first day of the week (Sunday), the two Mary's came to the tomb and found it open.

Sounds good to me.
But I got saved on a Maunday Thursday service?
What happens with that?

 

[Taken]

Taken,

Please explain how the Messiah's "soul" could have been in the "heart of the earth" during any portion of the crucifixion day's night time?

"Portion of the crucifixion"?

He was not dying the entire time He was on the cross.

Just before actual bodily death:
His soul departed and went to the heart of the earth.
His Spirit departed and went to Gods hands, which in short is Heaven.

For the exact time of his death, perhaps FHll can tell you.

 

[FHII]

Why is being specific an attempt to cloud the issue? Get real man.

Already said this is an indepth study.
And every fact and clue pertaining to the issue is important.

UGH! Cloud the issue with facts and clues, Pffit.

And what facts have you given?

You are are asking ambiguous questuons like when his soul went here or there vs. When he was in a cave pr a tomb or whatever.

I am plainly saying he died sometime between 3 and 6 Pm on Wednesday and rose bwfore 6 PM Saturday.

Thats pretty plain.

 

[FHII]

Try again. Quote me correctly and then ask your question.

And the answer is going to prove me correct. So perhapa you should not reply.

 

[FHII]

He was not dying the entire time He was on the cross.

Yea . actually he was. He was in the process of dying.

Just before actual bodily death:
His soul departed and went to the heart of the earth.

Proof?

And what does this have to so with 3 days and 3 nights? You are attenpting to deflect the conversation.

 

[Taken]

I am plainly saying he died sometime between 3 and 6 Pm on Wednesday and rose bwfore 6 PM Saturday.

Thats pretty plain.

Yep, that is your plain opinion.
Yep, you also stated your view is true.
Yep, you also state asking questions is ... clouding and ambiguous.

And I stated, it is a deep study, and all the facts and clues must be considered.

So we disagree, affects me none.

 

[Taken]

Yea . actually he was. He was in the process of dying.

Well if you want to be off on a tangent...you are in the process of dying, it called aging.

Proof?

Study the scriptures. Body's are not buried in hell. Nor do body's mysterious leave their grave and sneak into hell!

And what does this have to so with 3 days and 3 nights? You are attenpting to deflect the conversation.

No, no, stick to his body being the highlight of 3 days, 3 nights; when it was His soul that went to the heart of earth for 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[FHII]

Taken

Jesus died on Wednesday. He rose on Saturday. It is not my opinion. Thats the truth.

Again, not my opinion. It is what the Bible says. That's the bottom line.

 

[Taken]

Taken

Jesus died on Wednesday. He rose on Saturday. It is not my opinion. Thats the truth.

Again, not my opinion. It is what the Bible says. That's the bottom line.

Well I do not read your bottom line Wednesday and Saturday in Scripture.

You simply make a statement, and as I have already said; all facts and clues must be considered, and facts and clues leave people with different conclusions.
For me personally 3 days 3 nights are sufficient that His soul was in the heart of the earth.

You make no mention of the Sabbath days in your bottom line.
You leave out facts and clues that one would use to make a determination.

Wednesday to Saturday is four days.
Saturday was a Sabbath day.
Which means women were going to tend his body with spices ON the Sabbath, when Scripture says they were resting as was their custom.
There was also the Passover Sabbath that week.

If you are content with your bottom line; that's you. As with all the theories, surrounding that week of Jesus' bodily death and his soul being in the heart of earth;
It is not clear cut in Scripture.

God Bless,
Taken