brakelite: no worries, I still serve the same God and Jesus is definitely my Lord and savior. Jesus partakes of the source of power and spirit of his Father as we speak.
I surmised and said it in my OP that the touchstone verses of both believers in the Trinitarian and/or preexistent and incarnate Jesus models were John 1:1-2 and John 1:14a. Touchstone verses with a meaning that can not be verifies in scripture. It must be invented to compensate for the level of faith they have in believing that Jesus has to be a 'god' in order not to not sin; and ignoring what the birth and Baptism of the son of God really meant. Jesus actually was born a human being with the spirit of God in his heart, and of the human nature of Mary. Jesus was the FIRST and ONLY born true believer in God as we are later in life. Nothing else would suffice God's demand that his son and the last Adam has to be 100 % human to become the permanent sacrifice for sin and undo the curse of this sin made by first Adam.
Bless you brother,
APAK
I actually do not believe it was necessary for Jesus to be 'god' as you say, in order to not sin. He was fully human, and my view is that He lay His divinity aside and used not one vestige of His divine power in order to resist temptation. As you say, He lived as we are to live. By faith in the Father. His Father and ours...His God and ours.
But the 'begotten' nature of Christ is the issue for all of us...unitarians, trinitarians, or semi-arians. The question is 'when was He begotten?' I cannot accept that Jesus is a 'lesser' or 'inferior god' as you propose.
With regards to Psalm 45:6 where it says, -
Thy throne O God, is forever and ever,- the casual reader might take this to be simply the Psalmist's ascription of praise to God, but when we turn to the New Testament, we find that it is much more.
We find that God the Father is the speaker and that He is addressing the Son, calling Him God. See Heb. 1:1- 8 This name (God) was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement but it is His
by right of inheritance. Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because ―He hath
by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb. 1:4. ―A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as ―the only begotten Son of God, has rightfully the same name. A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has to some extent the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind.
But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works, and so Christ is the ―express image of the Father‘s person. Heb. 1:3. As the Son of the self - existent God, He has by nature
all the attributes of Deity.
―But the point is that Christ is a begotten Son and
not a created subject. He has by inheritance a more excellent name than the angels. He is ―a Son over His own house. Heb. 1:4; 3:6. And since He is the only-begotten Son of God,
He is of the very substance and nature of God, and possesses by birth all the attributes of God; for the Father was pleased that His Son should be the express image of His person, the brightness of His glory, and filled with all the fullness of the Godhead. So He has ―life in Himself; He possesses immortality in His own right, and can confer immortality on others. Life inheres in Him, so that it cannot be taken from Him;
but, having voluntarily laid it down, He can take it again.
―Christ ―is in the bosom of the Father; being by nature the very substance of God and having life in Himself, He is properly called Jehovah, the self existing one and is thus styled in Jer. 23:56, where it is said that the righteous Branch, who shall execute judgment and justice in the earth, shall be known by the name of Jehovah-tsidekenu -- THE LORD, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father, but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation. My object in this investigation is to set forth Christ's rightful position of equality with the Father, in order that His power to redeem may be the better appreciated. A word of caution may be necessary here. Let no one imagine that we would exalt Christ at the expense of the Father or would ignore the Father, nor vice versa. That cannot be, for their interests are one. We honor the Father in honoring the Son. We are mindful of Paul's words, that "to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Cor. 8:6); just as I have already quoted, that it was by Him that God made the worlds.
Ephesians 3:1-21
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.