Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Theories such as the day of the resurrection determining which is the day of Sabbath.

AMO? Hallo, AMO...

I am no better Sabbath keeper than you and you are no better Sabbath keeper than me, sobering fact of life! Despite and nevertheless I tell you, not you, me, If not Jesus Christ's physical Resurrection from the dead in physical dimension of earthly life and existence IN TIME "ON THE SABBATH DAY before the First Day of the week", there for neither me nor you exists principle, reality or truth by which or with which or according to which it is possible to 'determine which is the day of Sabbath'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Verse 1 does no such thing. The resurrection is not revealed until verse 6.

This tells all.

I rest my case as they say...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It is everyone else's theories that I believe are irrelevant.

And do I believe you? For absolutely SURE!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So where may I ask are they going to go, if not Heaven, judgemnent is death, separation from God even without the fire its not a nice place to be. And there will be a lot of lawyers amongst the religious there , found guilty of breaking the law, because teh law is all about the flesh, you doing something to prove yourself to God, grace is all about Jesus and all that HE has done, which no matter how much you do will never ever even come close.

So keep teh sabbath as best you can and try keep the law if you must, just don t lay that stumbling stone before men, most christians have enough trouble stumbling over Jesus.

God bless

Has been nice to read for a change.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

This is not what matters in this thread. The OP concerns the sanctity of the 7th day, not the sanctity of the people who keep it. It concerns whether or not that sanctity was removed or placed on another day. Sanctity through law keeping is not the issue.

The bottom line is this:

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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The 7th day was sanctified BEFORE a "STONE-ENGRAVED LAW" was ever given.

Even if someone showed the disciples held church service on a Sunday (I don't believe they did as a weekly practice), all that proves is that the disciples did so in addition to keeping the 7th day holy. Unless a command is provided saying the 7th day is no longer sanctified or holy, then it remains sanctified and holy.

You're commenting on your own comment, not mine.
GerhardEbersoehn said: ↑
WHAT MATTERS IS WHETHER JESUS' RESURRECTION OR THE STONE-ENGRAVED LAW SUPPLIES THE SANCTITY OR NOT.
So why have you quoted me at all?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Any time someone teaches what is correct over what is error is an act of love. If you would rather hang on to what is error, then you are not worshiping the Almighty in truth (John 4:23-24).

Get it: You do not nor can 'teach what is correct' as long as what you teach or try to teach others, is error taught as an act of love or not no diffs.

 

[gadar perets]

Jeshua, still with the J, still He is Jesus friend to me and He doesnt care less.

You assume he doesn't care. Assuming your name is Michael, would you want people calling you Michelle, Michaela, Matthew, etc?

 

[gadar perets]

I don't celebrate His birth nor His death, just His life, which is ongoing....may I remind you that Jesus corrected them about the Sabbath, saying :" The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." You understand this, right ? Also, there is nothing a man can do in the flesh, which can avail anything....Only Love from a pure heart....

But there is much a man can do in the Spirit which will avail much. Sabbath keeping is one of those things.

Yes, love from a pure heart;

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:3)​

 

[gadar perets]

As I wrote to you already....You keeping the day to honor God is a lovely thing...I don't assume anything about you, I do not know you....what I find difficult to comprehend however, is why you would demand that other believers MUST do thing the way you do....

I never said you had to keep the Sabbath the way I do. I said you have to keep when YHWH says to keep it, not when man says to keep it.

I remind you that God sees the heart of a man, not a mans own works....Jesus asked of us to Love as He Loves and that seems to be the one thing which is most difficult to find among those calling themselves Christians...

"If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15 along with 1 John 5:3
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If we choose to call ourselves that, ought we not be representing Him as He is, as Love, as He asked ? Instead of trying to put rules and regulations on every believer, contrary to even what the Bible itself says.....How many, even on this forum, can you say show themselves to be loving Christians, acting as Jesus would ?

I have no idea who is a loving Christian on this forum. All I see are their words, not their actions. Sadly, the words of many reveal their lack of actions regarding obeying YHWH's commandments.

 

[gadar perets]

Whether spelled with an I or with a J, Jesus is his Name, the Name that compels those whom He sought and found to act and continue in prayer and study and walk in His True Name.

"Jesus" is the name the later English translators erroneously gave him. I wouldn't be surprised if that name gets corrupted even further if another new letter is adopted in our alphabet.

 

[gadar perets]

Come on now, this is getting absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical. Often one sees in your kind of literature the 'name' of the Almighty G-O-D, written, 'G-d'! Is that right as well?!

No, it is not right. "God", "G-d" and "G-O-D" are not names, but titles. The Almighty's name is spelled "YHWH" when the letters of the Tetragrammaton are phonetically transliterated into English.

If it may mean anything to you, when I was in the prime of life my best spiritual friend in God's Truth, gave me a book to read which taught this 'name-of-G-d' doctrine, and for a year or so I was almost completely convinced. But I found it was impossible for me to spontaneously and naturally talk or write or pray or sing or even THINK about God or Christ.

That is a normal response when something new enters one's vocabulary. However, with use and exercising of the gift you were given, it would eventually have become unnatural to use "Jesus" or "Jehovah".

 

[gadar perets]

You're commenting on your own comment, not mine.
GerhardEbersoehn said: ↑
WHAT MATTERS IS WHETHER JESUS' RESURRECTION OR THE STONE-ENGRAVED LAW SUPPLIES THE SANCTITY OR NOT.
So why have you quoted me at all?

The sanctity of the Sabbath existed long before Yeshua's resurrection.

 

[pia]

l their lack of actions regarding obeying YHWH's commandments

As far as I'm aware the Law was given to the Hebrews, including the Sabbath.......As I wrote before, if you can honor God through a pure heart on a Sabbath, that is a lovely thing.............You need concern yourself only with your walk with Him....Paul reminds us, not to compare ourselves among ourselves, nor to insist other men do what we do...He speaks of how one man can enjoy meat, thanking God for it, yet another will not eat meat, also thanking God....Same as setting apart certain days or not.......I stand before Him by myself, not through anyone else, and so do you...I am not a Hebrew and was never given any law...The only law that pertains to my life is The Law of Love, which there is NO law against, so all FOR none against...........His presence, His peace is my rest anytime anywhere....But that is me, I do not feel compelled in any way, to follow after the law given and then fulfilled by Jesus....I do feel compelled however of following after what He has told me, which can be difficult enough....Love and forgiveness can be hard on our flesh at times !

 

[mjrhealth]

You assume he doesn't care. Assuming your name is Michael, would you want people calling you Michelle, Michaela, Matthew, etc?

No, I know He doesnt care.

Cant you see the religion in you. All the religious see is the spelling error, than out comes the guns, and condemnation, not that you are able to do such. No you couldnt see the wonderful moment I had time with Jesus , all you could find is fault, it is what religion does. Always walking in guilt.

needing to "prove" yourself to God. We dont have to Christ did it all, even for those who dont believe.

God bless

 

[tabletalk]

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11
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Are you among those who have forgotten the Sabbath day, who don't keep it holy and who have been losing out on the special blessing of rest for those who keep it?

I would like to help you understand the Sabbath commandment (the fourth of the Ten Commandments). Not that I know it all concerning the Sabbath, but I have learned much about it over my 32 years of keeping it. If you have any Scriptures that you believe abolish the Sabbath or change it to a different day (most commonly Sunday), feel free to post them here and we can hopefully discuss them in a mature way. One thing I would ask is that you don't throw multiple verses/passages at me. That accomplishes nothing. Post one or two verses or passages to discuss and then we can move on to the next one.

I have posted Exodus 20:8-11 to get us started. Does anyone here believe the blessing upon and holiness of the Sabbath have been removed by YHWH, Yeshua or any apostle? If so, please quote their words.

These verses seem to teach that when you keep the Saturday Sabbath (for 32 years) it is simply rubbish.
You are proclaiming your own righteousness, not the righteousness 'which is through faith in Christ'.

From Philippians 3:

6...concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7. But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8.Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9.and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

 

[gadar perets]

As far as I'm aware the Law was given to the Hebrews, including the Sabbath.......

Almost all of the Ten Commandments can be seen in the OT prior to the Law being given to the Hebrews. For example, Joseph knew it was a sin to commit adultery with Pharaoh's wife; Sabbath existed from day seven of creation; The sons of Jacob were accused of stealing from Pharaoh's house, etc.

Paul reminds us, not to compare ourselves among ourselves, nor to insist other men do what we do...He speaks of how one man can enjoy meat, thanking God for it, yet another will not eat meat, also thanking God....Same as setting apart certain days or not.......

Romans 14 refers to men doing things that YHWH never said were forbidden to do. Polluting the Sabbath and eating unclean meat were both forbidden and were not in view in that passage.

The only law that pertains to my life is The Law of Love, which there is NO law against, so all FOR none against...........

If you are referring to Galatians 5:13, where there is no law against walking in the Spirit, then I would remind you that there are laws against walking in the flesh such as adultery, idolatry, witchcraft, etc (Galatians 5:19-21). Breaking the Sabbath is to walk in the flesh and to continue to rebel against keeping the Law of YHWH is to be carnally minded (Romans 8:7).

But that is me, I do not feel compelled in any way, to follow after the law given and then fulfilled by Jesus....I do feel compelled however of following after what He has told me, which can be difficult enough....Love and forgiveness can be hard on our flesh at times !

Did "Jesus" tell YOU to good on the Sabbath days or that the Sabbath was made for man or were those words only for the Jews? If yes, then he is telling YOU that the 7th day Sabbath was made for YOU and that YOU should do good on the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[gadar perets]

No, I know He doesnt care.

Cant you see the religion in you. All the religious see is the spelling error, than out comes the guns, and condemnation, not that you are able to do such. No you couldnt see the wonderful moment I had time with Jesus , all you could find is fault, it is what religion does. Always walking in guilt.

needing to "prove" yourself to God. We dont have to Christ did it all, even for those who dont believe.

God bless

If you equate obeying my Creator's commandments with being "religious", then you are sadly deceived. I don't shoot or condemn anyone that doesn't believe like me. I started this thread to educate, but now I am forced to defend the truth from those who would attack and condemn it as well as attack and condemn those who keep it.

 

[gadar perets]

These verses seem to teach that when you keep the Saturday Sabbath (for 32 years) it is simply rubbish.
You are proclaiming your own righteousness, not the righteousness 'which is through faith in Christ'.

From Philippians 3:

6...concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7. But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8.Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9.and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Show me one post where I said I am righteous through my own works. This is just another personal attack on me to go along with all the other ones in this thread. Why do you attack me personally? Because you have no defense whatsoever for your Sabbath breaking.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you equate obeying my Creator's commandments with being "religious", then you are sadly deceived. I don't shoot or condemn anyone that doesn't believe like me. I started this thread to educate, but now I am forced to defend the truth from those who would attack and condemn it as well as attack and condemn those who keep it.

God is not religious, He is supposed to be your father, not a bullying father who beats his children. The truth you are defending is your won, Truth doesnt need defense it needs revealing, comes from God not religion or studying.

God bless

 

[tabletalk]

Show me one post where I said I am righteous through my own works. This is just another personal attack on me to go along with all the other ones in this thread. Why do you attack me personally? Because you have no defense whatsoever for your Sabbath breaking.

I apologize for a personal attack on you.
Paul seems to be teaching that he would be proclaiming his own righteousness if he kept the law of Moses; that is what he did, blamelessly, before his conversion.
He calls it rubbish, and contrasts it with the 'righteousness through faith in Christ'.
I don't know if you 'personally' are proclaiming your own righteousness, but the teaching which says Christians must keep the Saturday Sabbath is not a teaching I would follow.