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[Project Panda]

I asked because I can relate to much of what you said in your most recent posts. I'm not sure which promises you mean but I had promises posted all over my house and claimed them every day. But everything got worse. I'd always been told by others what the promises meant. One day I pulled one off the wall and actually read it for myself, in context, and I started asking Him about verses instead of relying on what I had been told it says. I am truly interested in what you are saying because I get the "what was meant to cure me made me more sick". I found this thread(correction: forum)in the beginning because I typed in google's search "God destroyed my life" and it led me to a thread here.

Do you have peace and joy now? On your own?

I have actually found myself, and many answers to questions that plagued me when I was a Christian. Life is simpler now that I don't have beliefs like hell fire hanging over my head. I connect better with people now that I'm not concerned with sin nature.

This gives me rest and peace.

 

[Project Panda]

ya, praying to God as santa claus won't work. I mean, until you find a faith healer walking into a hospital at least lol

i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock

a few ppl here have realized they were raised by wolves, you'll find them i guess
we have some wolves too though, a good mix here imo

I hate Christmas, I haven't followed it for many many year's.

 

[lforrest]

I already prayed, if Jesus didn't act on behalf of my prayers, why would he act on yours. I'm sure I've had lot's of people pray for me, but alas I am still effected.

I'm not the only one, my voice joins with the others who have and will pray concerning this.

He should cure you if for no other reason than for the sake of his good name. Yeshua, the deliverer.

 

[bbyrd009]

i guess Paul thought so too huh. Doesn't work like that i guess

I hate Christmas, I haven't followed it for many many year's.

ha well most "believers" are into that Saturnalia stuff, cult of Sol is really popular now too, so you'll be at odds if you engage with them i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Not when I had to believe it, no, I could never prove that I was forgiven. I just had to take it all on faith, I'd have to believe and leave my brain at the door.

i gotta believe your mom taught you better lessons about forgiveness than any religious definition anyway; why not extrapolate those out to God?

 

[Project Panda]

I'm not the only one, my voice joins with the others who have and will pray concerning this.

He should cure you if for no other reason than for the sake of his good name. Yeshua, the deliverer.

If you were to spend time praying for me, you will never get that time back. You could of uses that time for something else. Like reading a book, or doing something creative, or spending time with a friend, or getting to know your children, or learning a new hobby.

 

[Project Panda]

i gotta believe your mom taught you better lessons about forgiveness than any religious definition anyway; why not extrapolate those out to God?

Is your God in desperate need of anything? He need's my love, he needs my time, he needs my money.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Time is short, that is why christians can be abrupt. Not to mention the transformation they have gone through may be extream, and they want you to share their Joy. Jesus taught that whoever is forgiven much loves much.

Lord willing, we have some time here to get to know you and hold thoughtful conversations.

As much as an evangelist may tell others to pray, they themselves should pray to be led by Him rather than in being religious mindset in taking His command to preach the gospel like a marching order.

Believers should be willing to share their faith in why they believe in Him. By being personal with others, they may just be open to be personal with you, at the very least, tell you where they are on that topic about believing in God or not believing in God, but if they are not seeking God, then they would simply say that and the nice ones will say "Thank you for sharing your faith, but I would rather talk about something else, now."

Any more pressing or arguing the issue is pretty much not being led by the Spirit to do that since it is on God to cause the increase and only the Father can draw men unto the Son to reveal the Son to those seeking to believe in Him to be saved.

 

[lforrest]

If you were to spend time praying for me, you will never get that time back. You could of uses that time for something else. Like reading a book, or doing something creative, or spending time with a friend, or getting to know your children, or learning a new hobby.

13 years ago I chose to go all-in for God. I'm sure I would be dead by now if not for his intervention, so any time I have now is thanks to him.

 

[Project Panda]

13 years ago I chose to go all-in for God. I'm sure I would be dead by now if not for his intervention, so any time I have now is thanks to him.

I don't know about you, but I'm excited about death, I hope that I'll be leaving sooner than later.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

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So many questions, and not enough time to ask them all. I guess I'll ask the most pressing question.

Why is it that Christian's want me to be saved? In fact every Christian I've ever met will almost do anything to get me around to their way of thinking. They're not even interested in getting to know me, they just want to tell me about Jesus so bad it blind's them.

I mean, how can you get to know someone honestly if you have an agenda? The last Christian I talked to in the real world chewed my ear off right in front of my friend. It was "Jesus this and church that and pray pray pray my friend" He didn't even have the manners to join in the current conversion my friend and I were having. He certainly walked off without a clue about the both of us, but we both had a pretty good idea what this guy's intention was.

I'd probably have a few Christian friends, if they weren't so determined to convert me or anyone else I knew. If they could Just chill and have some fun instead of thinking everyone is in some sort of emergency.

Your saved, right? So what you fussing about.

Well, some believers may be under pressure in light of eternity that if they did not say anything to you.

Let us say you knew the Good News on how anybody could be saved which is by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead. Then imagine being in Heaven and you see some people you knew or had passed by in life, going to hell. Some believers may be thinking that those in hell would blame them for not preaching the gospel to them when they were around them, but it is an unreasonable fear.

God knows Whom is seeking Him from those that are not.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

That means all those that seek Him, shall find.

No one in hell will blame anyone for not knowing the gospel as if they can claim they would have believed in Him if they had only known. God knows those who would have had received Him from those that prefer their evil deeds.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Sometimes, people need a wake up call to stop and consider seeking Him.

Maybe that person was used for the Father to draw you to come here to this forum and learn about Jesus Christ and why He is called the Good News to man.

So the next time someone comes up to you and just lay into you about the gospel, ask them how the gospel was presented to them when they first believed in Him to be saved. I am betting they were not laying into that person the way that person may have been laying into you.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is your God in desperate need of anything? He need's my love, he needs my time, he needs my money.

ah, that is just revived Mithraism i guess, very popular in Christianity...ah, "this deity was honoured as the patron of loyalty to the emperor." The emperor being the one who really needs all those i guess. We can find Bible verses that are obviously couched phrases dealing with Mithraism, also the cult of Sol Invictus, which came after.

these were so popular i guess it wouldn't do to just condemn them outright in the NT, is my understanding; so we get vv like "you cannot serve two masters," etc.

 

[Project Panda]

Well, some believers may be under pressure in light of eternity that if they did not say anything to you.

Let us say you knew the Good News on how anybody could be saved which is by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead. Then imagine being in Heaven and you see some people you knew or had passed by in life, going to hell. Some believers may be thinking that those in hell would blame them for not preaching the gospel to them when they were around them, but it is an unreasonable fear.

God knows Whom is seeking Him from those that are not.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

That means all those that seek Him, shall find.

No one in hell will blame anyone for not knowing the gospel as if they can claim they would have believed in Him if they had only known. God knows those who would have had received Him from those that prefer their evil deeds.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Sometimes, people need a wake up call to stop and consider seeking Him.

Maybe that person was used for the Father to draw you to come here to this forum and learn about Jesus Christ and why He is called the Good News to man.

So the next time someone comes up to you and just lay into you about the gospel, ask them how the gospel was presented to them when they first believed in Him to be saved. I am betting they were not laying into that person the way that person may have been laying into you.

The odds of running into a Christian is very high, since there's 2.2 billion of them. It's all odds.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I don't know about you, but I'm excited about death, I hope that I'll be leaving sooner than later.

I know where I am going after I die. Do you?

I want to die too. I hate my life. But I face each day with the Lord's help to walk me through this valley of death. He can take me anytime. I trust Him to do this. I also trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me to wait for Him and abide in His words as His disciple.

So please consider where you are going in the afterlife, and how you are going to get there.

For Someone that has risen from the dead and ascended into Heaven, I suggest you start there in learning about Jesus Christ and our hope in Him not only for eternal life, but to dwell in us and be with us always as He & I face the trials of my life daily in His care..

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't know about you, but I'm excited about death, I hope that I'll be leaving sooner than later.

ha sounds a lot like many believers nowadays, wadr

ah, there you go, just above.

seems to me like it'd be better to just die to self and change your mind in that case, rather than fall in with people who believe they know where they are going when they die?

 

[bbyrd009]

I have actually found myself, and many answers to questions that plagued me when I was a Christian. Life is simpler now that I don't have beliefs like hell fire hanging over my head. I connect better with people now that I'm not concerned with sin nature.

This gives me rest and peace.

ha, if you read your Bible first you never would have gone near them anyway i guess lol
not that i didn't do the same thing
no one follows Paul i guess, we just learn his way later

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The odds of running into a Christian is very high, since there's 2.2 billion of them. It's all odds.

The chance of someone that would have believed in Him to be saved but didn't hear the gospel and is in hell is zero.

 

[lforrest]

I don't know about you, but I'm excited about death, I hope that I'll be leaving sooner than later.

Sooner or later the strings that tie us to this world will be severed. I don't want to be left with nothing, so am hopeful that some of the relationships I start here will last into eternity.

I need more time for that.

 

[Project Panda]

ha, if you read your Bible first you never would have gone near them anyway i guess lol
not that i didn't do the same thing
no one follows Paul i guess, we just learn his way later

Reading the Bible is one of the reasons I left the religion.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

ha sounds a lot like many believers nowadays, wadr

ah, there you go, just above.

seems to me like it'd be better to just die to self and change your mind in that case, rather than fall in with people who believe they know where they are going when they die?

There is an empty grave for why I know in Whom I believe and I have confidence in knowing where I am going.

Read this report about secular historical evidence of the unexplainable darkness that had occurred at His crucifixion.

The Darkness During the Crucifixion