Meh

[bbyrd009]

You know what I'd say to some voice in my head

no, what? how can we know? I am assuming you would say "no" here of course, but wadr imo you are not giving God credit for never wanting Isaac to be sacrificed in the first place, which is more likely a story condemning worshippers of Molech than what is often interpreted

 

[bbyrd009]

Also your God gets drunk on the blood of his slain emeries, he curses people, destroys them, mocks them.

i think these might be interpreted differently, for instance if you do not believe in God then obviously something else was responsible for...all of the now extinct nations to become extinct, right? So these might be better understood as attempts to express these realities rather than descriptions of God

 

[Project Panda]

if "child" was symbolic of something else, then yes. a spiritual child iow

I don't think you would, you'd take that child away from the corrupted family that it was in.

Problem solved.

 

[Project Panda]

i think these might be interpreted differently, for instance if you do not believe in God then obviously something else was responsible for...all of the now extinct nations to become extinct, right? So these might be better understood as attempts to express these realities rather than descriptions of God

Give humans a chance, or is it give peace a chance?

 

[bbyrd009]

Ain't that the truth...what amazes me is the amount of intelligent people who are giving him a platform and 'time of day'...more fool them.
I thought that Jesus said " My sheep hear My voice and a stranger they will not follow..."

Maybe some people's discernment is a somewhat rusty!!!

yet we could not see how Ordained Preachers were antichrist either, so i would not be too quick to judge here wadr to you both

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't think you would, you'd take that child away from the corrupted family that it was in.

Problem solved.

yes, we try this too, as much as possible, but we are still talking about literal children here

 

[bbyrd009]

Give humans a chance, or is it give peace a chance?

imo give God a chance would be the point there; iow you do not have to accept the God that has been defined for you by other people, who say they know; 500 years ago it was punishable by death, i guess, but no longer.

Morality is a great Name imo. "Works meet for repentance" is really just a (now) religious way to say "the things that people do that do not benefit them, but their fellows" imo.

 

[Stranger]

So my question to you is, are you sure your God is up to the moral challenge himself?

God doesn't care about your morals or your silly challenge. Your morals are nauseating to God. Your goodness is nauseating to God. Be as good and moral as you think. It will not affect God one bit.

If God saves ten thousand people He is just. If God slays twenty thousand, He is just.

God will not be challenged by you. You however will be before Him.

Stranger

 

[aspen]

Give humans a chance, or is it give peace a chance?

Do you love perfectly?

 

[mjrhealth]

Where is your earthly check/balance, if i may ask?
How do you avoid becoming a law unto yourself?

1Jn_4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jn_5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn_5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

it is how we judge all things, all before pentecost was teh flesh all after is by teh spirit.

1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[bbyrd009]

1Jn_4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jn_5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn_5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

it is how we judge all things, all before pentecost was teh flesh all after is by teh spirit.

1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

so iow your reply is "i just arbitrarily include myself in this group, bc i am all that and a bag of chips?"

 

[Project Panda]

Do you love perfectly?

No one does.

Let me ask you a question, if the modern day Christian is morally superior because of their God & the Bible, why do I see lot's of Christian's struggling with moral behavior.

They smoke
They drink
They lie
They steal
They commit adultery
They judge
Ect, ect

You have no idea how many times I've read threads online by confessing Christians who say they love God but just live like everyone else.

 

[mjrhealth]

so iow your reply is "i just arbitrarily include myself in this group, bc i am all that and a bag of chips?"

Do you have a decryption book so I can understand your coded message.??

 

[lforrest]

No one does.

Let me ask you a question, if the modern day Christian is morally superior because of their God & the Bible, why do I see lot's of Christian's struggling with moral behavior.

They smoke
They drink
They lie
They steal
They commit adultery
They judge
Ect, ect

You have no idea how many times I've read threads online by confessing Christians who say they love God but just live like everyone else.

You know what is amazing? A religion survives that doesn't depend on self righteous works based doctrines and coercion to keep their numbers.

Free range christians, we get into bigger messes because we aren't confined to the barnyard.

 

[Project Panda]

You know what is amazing? A religion survives that doesn't depend on self righteous works based doctrines and coercion to keep their numbers.

Free range christians, we get into bigger messes because we aren't confined to the barnyard.

If your going to say that "We have the correct moral equation" but then say "We don't have to live up to it" Then why pidgin hole the rest of us. Why even tell non believer's that without God they can't be moral, if working at being moral is useless.

 

[lforrest]

If your going to say that "We have the correct moral equation" but then say "We don't have to live up to it" Then why pidgin hole the rest of us. Why even tell non believer's that without God they can't be moral, if working at being moral is useless.

It isn't useless, but morality is not the end goal. Outwards appearances are a side effect of spiritual growth. As the christian grows they should appear more moral. By moral I mean more moral by God's standards because there are different standards based on culture. Also we have many spiritual newborns in the bodies of old men and women, still behaving according to the flesh.

 

[Project Panda]

It isn't useless, but morality is not the end goal. Outwards appearances are a side effect of spiritual growth. As the christian grows they should appear more moral. By moral I mean more moral by God's standards because there are different standards based on culture. Also we have many spiritual newborns in the bodies of old men and women, still behaving according to the flesh.

I would think a person has to grow emotionally & intellectually as well.

 

[aspen]

No one does.

Let me ask you a question, if the modern day Christian is morally superior because of their God & the Bible, why do I see lot's of Christian's struggling with moral behavior.

They smoke
They drink
They lie
They steal
They commit adultery
They judge
Ect, ect

You have no idea how many times I've read threads online by confessing Christians who say they love God but just live like everyone else.

So you don't love perfectly, but you say you do not need God....

The whole idea of Christianity is the perfection of loving outwardly.

Suspending your disbelief in a hypercynical world (faith) provides room for humility, patience, and service towards your neighbor.

Hence the reason you see lots of Christians still in the process of learning to love - and their failures build your patience.

Starting threads with the intention of stirring the pot in order to prove your private prejudices about Christians seems like it would be kind of boring to me......Christians and nonChristians are all capable of being selfish - Christians simply acknowledge it and allow themselves to consider different choices.

 

[Willie T]

Panda,
Did someone tell you that the Sanctification process of all of us isn't an ongoing and progressive endeavor? The Bible consistently talks about us having to renew our minds and to keep looking toward Jesus. That is not "cookie-cutter, lock-step",instantaneous conformity. Some Christians may still be stumbling all over the place if they live to be 127.

 

[Project Panda]

So you don't love perfectly, but you say you do not need God....

The whole idea of Christianity is the perfection of loving outwardly.

Suspending your disbelief in a hypercynical world (faith) provides room for humility, patience, and service towards your neighbor.

Hence the reason you see lots of Christians still in the process of learning to love - and their failures build your patience.

Starting threads with the intention of stirring the pot in order to prove your private prejudices about Christians seems like it would be kind of boring to me......Christians and nonChristians are all capable of being selfish - Christians simply acknowledge it and allow themselves to consider different choices.

I'm not sceptical about you or other Christians, I'm sceptical of the belief's they believe in. What I'm seeing is religious people not knowing the difference between their beliefs and their character, or mine. So when an attack comes at their beliefs they feel it's an attack on their character, it's not.