CATHOLIC BASHING THREAD TITLES

[Taken]

It does seem as if Protestants are trying to teach the false idea that being ‘born again’ means that nothing changes,

Since it SEEMS that way to you....
Perhaps you could QUOTE ONE Protestant CLAIMING "nothing changes" Once a man is born again.

but suddenly every behavior is now good according to God......

Could you also QUOTE ONE Protestant making such Claim?

This is a bad teaching.

The only one so far MAKING that claim IS you.

So, be it Bad Teaching, You have not quoted ANYONE making those claims.

So, WHO exactly is TEACHING such supposed "bad teaching' ?

Born again is not a rubber stamp classifying you as acceptable.

Did anyone claim God "rubber stamps" born again men?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

God Was the Source of Jesus' Flesh "likeness" as an earthly man.

Mary's Womb was the unblemished (ie virgin) vessel to which the Seed of God was placed, and ultimately revealed after 9 months (according to the natural law of mankind).

Yes it was By Gods Works.
Yes Mary's Womb (vessel) was chosen to Serve the Lord God.
Yes Mary was revealed "with child".
Yes according to mans law, Mary's children were legally called her children, and she their mother.
Yes according to mans law, Joesph, husband of Mary was called father of their legally called children.

No, Mary's natural self, blood, dna, egg, has anything whatsoever to do with the Spirit of God coming upon Mary and "imparting" the Seed of God into her womb.

God used MARY'S flesh - MARY'S DNA to form His earthly body from ALL of the women in history.
He could have simply appeared in the flesh and bypassed any need for a Mother - but He didn't.

His two natures are INDIVISIBLE - and one of them came from MARY'S biological makeup.

I never mentioned "natures".

Precisely - and that's why you continue to dance around the issue.
Jesus HAS 2 indivisible natures whether that suits YOUR bizarre theology or not . . .

And what? When a man becomes Converted, he is FULLY GOD?

YOUR heresy lies in the arrogant notion that YOU can separate them.
You can't . . .

You are still without understanding.

God is not a terrestrial.
And terrestrials are not God.

And this is flat-out heresy.

The Bible assures us that Jesus is GOD. It also assures us that He is MAN.
He refers to Himself as "Son of MAN." In Jesus, we see that God is BOTH spirit AND Man.
He is Theanthropos - the God-Man.

YOUR claims are ANTI-Christ . . .[/QUOTE]

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, Who said YOU DID?
So, Who said I DID?

YOU did.

You claim that faith isn't about works but about belief.
TRUE faith = Belief + Obedience (works).

What is asinine is you making asinine accusations with your own words and then claiming YOUR WORDS are what another has claimed.

What is OLD and BORING and JUVENILE
is your repetitive FABRICATED CLAIMS YOU MAKE FOR OTHERS.
I have not seen ONE PERSON claim they believe in FALSE, MAN-MADE, 16th century inventions, OR that ALL is required is SIMPLE BELIEF. [/QUOTE]
Soooooo - James 2:19 DOESN'T say that even the Demons have belief??
I'm not making ANY claims that Scripture doesn't make . . .

As for your last comment in RED - this claim is made nearly EVERY DAY on this forum.

And? Quote ONE PERSON saying they disagree with John?

Notice how you have repeated this verse to ad nauseam ..... TO other posters .....
BUT NOT ONCE posted those other posters CLAIMING
????
You are simply ATTEMPING TO IMPLY others posters have made THAT CLAIM....

YET FAIL REPEATEDLY to ad nauseam TO EVER ONCE QUOTE THEM MAKING SUCH CLAIM.

All that REVEALS is your ATTEMPT to IMPLY your OWN False implications.

YOUR MO, to ad nauseam.
IMPLY...without Facts.
Speak FOR others...then BASH THEM for YOUR claims.

No - YOU have repeatedly claimed on this forum that you no longer sin.
Not only is that a LIE - I have caught you in sins on this forum - yet you continue to lies about it.

Nobody is "bashing" you. I'm bashing your hypocrisy.

You have been pretty consistent in preaching, "Christ's Church", IS the Catholic Church.

You have been consistent IN YOUR MO.
And YES, you have revealed YOU are consistent in how "YOUR" Church "teaches" how to EFFECT "IT'S" MO.

Not impressed.

I don't care if I am judged by YOU (1 Cor. 4:3).
It is God who judges me - not angry anti-Catholics . . .

No, I am not an enemy of His Church....
I am in disagreement with YOUR man-made Catholic Church, and your modes of operation.

Ahhhhhh, but you're NOT in disagreement with the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually splintering sects of Protestantism - one of which YOU belong to.

It's pathetic that you can't see the hypocrisy in that . . .

Ugh. No desire to be yoked with men who are themselves still WAITING to be yoked with the Lord.

You already ARE . . .

 

[Helen]

<snip>
You claim that faith isn't about works but about belief.
TRUE faith = Belief + Obedience (works).

. .

Well there you are...we have wondered if you were sick....or on holiday.
Anyway, I hope you have no been sick.

Nice to see you back in the saddle again.
You have been missed...
Taken has nothing to do or post with you gone...she has been extra quiet.

 

[amadeus]

It does seem as if Protestants are trying to teach the false idea that being ‘born again’ means that nothing changes, but suddenly every behavior is now good according to God......

This is a bad teaching.

Born again is not a rubber stamp classifying you as acceptable.

Discipline and obedience and the faith to suspend your opinion long enough to learn are all necessary to become transformed into a citizen of Heaven

Even so, but not every non-Catholic subscribes to that "false idea".

 

[Taken]

And if you're not a co-worker WITH God - you are a worker AGAINST Him.

Works do not determine if One IS "WITH" God or "AGAINST" God....

Scripture is quite Clear....
Matt 12:30

YOU adding your "works" spin is irrelevant.

Judging by all of your heretical posts - this makes a LOT of sense . . .

YOU adding "works" as a "condition" to become "WITH" God.... lands you on your own heretical beliefs, Which has no application to me, for what you do.

He sustains those who cooperate with His grace.

He sustains those He has Converted.

He doesn't sustain those who refuse His grace.

Again....IRRELEVANT. No one has said that.

This is Bible 101 . . .

Never heard of Bible 101.

Men WHO are NOT With God, WHO become WITH God, And IN God DO SO By His Grace and Power...
NOT BY a mans Works.

That same man IN God, remains IN God BY His Power...
NOT BY a mans Works.

Teaching otherwise IS Contrary to the Word of God.

HUNDREDS

of posts on at least THREES threads and you still haven't been able to produce even ONE verse that states your position that God keeps us faithful against our will.

Hundreds of Posts, Umpteen Scriptures and it still escapes your understanding.....

The OLD Man, is....

Passed away....
A NEW creature is born.
Teaching A man has the power to supersede Gods power and bring the old man back to life is not Scriptural.

EPIC

doctrinal failure . . .

Lol

Luther hated the Epistle of James as much as YOU do because it didn't support his false ideas about faith.

FLAT OUT LIE. I made no such claim.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well there you are...we have wondered if you were sick....or on holiday.
Anyway, I hope you have no been sick.

Nice to see you back in the saddle again.
You have been missed...
Taken has nothing to do or post with you gone...she has been extra quiet.

I was working at an annual Parish charity event all weekend.
Thanks for the concern!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Works do not determine if One IS "WITH" God or "AGAINST" God....
Scripture is quite Clear....
Matt 12:30
YOU adding your "works" spin is irrelevant.

SURE they do.
They determine if you have TRUE faith or if it's just lip-service . . .

As Christians - if we are not DOERS of the Word (James 1:22) - then we our faith is worthless (James 2:14-26).

He sustains those He has Converted.
Again....IRRELEVANT. No one has said that.

He sustains ONLY those converted people who cooperate with His grace.

Men WHO are NOT With God, WHO become WITH God, And IN God DO SO By His Grace and Power...
NOT BY a mans Works.

He remains by BOTH God's power AND his cooperation with God's grace.
It's NOT by our grace - but by cooperating with GOD'S grace.

YOU seem to think that you can be saved by refusing to cooperate with God's grace.
Ain't gonna happen . . .

Hundreds of Posts, Umpteen Scriptures and it still escapes your understanding.....

The OLD Man, is....
Passed away....
A NEW creature is born.
Teaching A man has the power to supersede Gods power and bring the old man back to life is not Scriptural.

And that NEW man must cooperate with God's grace - or LOSE it all v(Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

FLAT OUT LIE. I made no such claim.

It's an observation.
Let's just say, you don't "agree" with James - which is a FACT . . .[/QUOTE]

 

[Taken]

God used MARY'S flesh - MARY'S DNA to form His earthly body from ALL of the women in history.

False and corrupt teaching.

He could have simply appeared in the flesh and bypassed any need for a Mother -

False and corrupt teaching.

but He didn't.

No kidding!

You simply do not Know Why!

His two natures are INDIVISIBLE - and one of them came from MARY'S biological makeup.

Patently False.

Jesus HAS 2 indivisible natures whether that suits YOUR bizarre theology or not . . .

Of course it is bizarre to TO YOU.
The Lords understanding is not given to those who are Not Converted.

Without having received Salvation you have chosen to rest your understanding in "your Holy father" instead of thee Holy Father"

YOUR heresy lies in the arrogant notion that YOU can separate them.
You can't . . .

I am not the one preaching God is a HUMAN terrestrial man.... You Are!

I make no attempt to separate .... what He never taught was A Human terrestrial.

God declared Jesus a man.

You and your teaching declare He was a Human man. God didn't.

Guess you never knew God IS Spirit.
Guess you never knew Angels are spirits.
Guess you never Knew IT was so grievous to God for spirits to impregnate Human women via a spirits Seed and a human woman's egg.....

That God banned those spirits from earth and they are chained in hell.

And something so grievous TO God....you teach is precisely what God Himself did!

And you think you....admittedly not saved....that you are qualified to teach your corrupt fantasy as Gods Truth.

God is not created. He does not fertilize female human eggs!

The Bible assures us that Jesus is GOD. It also assures us that He is MAN.

So? You made Him a terrestrial human man.....

He refers to Himself as "Son of MAN."

So? I refer to myself as a son of God....
Because God says so.....

And it had nothing whatsoever to do with a human female egg!

In Jesus, we see that God is BOTH spirit AND Man.

God is called whatever He dictates.

He says man, you say Human, which applies to a man made out of the dust of the earth, which Jesus was Not.

YOUR claims are ANTI-Christ . . .

LOL... FALSE

 

[Taken]

YOU did.

No, I did not.

You claim that faith isn't about works

No, I did not say that.

but about belief.

I said belief is a choice men can make.
I said Faith is a gift FROM God to men who believe.

TRUE faith = Belief + Obedience (works).

Uh huh. Your claim. I disagree., with YOU.

What is OLD and BORING and JUVENILE
is your repetitive FABRICATED CLAIMS YOU MAKE FOR OTHERS.
I have not seen ONE PERSON claim they believe in FALSE, MAN-MADE, 16th century inventions, OR that ALL is required is SIMPLE BELIEF.

- James 2:19 DOESN'T say that even the Demons have belief??

I was speaking of people posting and your response is about what a man in Scripture says?

Weird.

I'm not making ANY claims that Scripture doesn't make . . .

Never said I disagree with Scripture.
I have been very clear, I disagree with your understanding of Scripture.

As for your last comment in RED - this claim is made nearly EVERY DAY on this forum.

No - YOU have repeatedly claimed on this forum that you no longer sin.
Not only is that a LIE - I have caught you in sins on this forum - yet you continue to lies about it.

It is EXACTLY A LIE.

QUOTE ONE PERSON CLAIMING THEY "HAVE NO SIN".

YOU Haven't .... You Can't .... Because NO ONE has MADE that Claim!

Nobody is "bashing" you. I'm bashing your hypocrisy.

Actually what you are bashing IS YOUR OWN LACK of Understanding.

You have FAILED to explain HOW, a man who claims "THEY HAVE NO SIN".... is the SAME MAN who claims He is forgiven his SINS.

HOW IS THAT twisted nonsense make SENSE in your world?

"Hello Lord, Please forgive me for my sins, that I don't have"????

LOL< LOL< LOL<

I don't care if I am judged by YOU (1 Cor. 4:3).
It is God who judges me - not angry anti-Catholics . . .

I notice you make up lies and claim it is others beliefs.
I disagree with your behavior.
However your behavior is accounted to you, not me.

, but you're NOT in disagreement with the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually splintering sects of Protestantism - one of which YOU belong to.

LOL,LOL,LOL, more made up Lies. Sad, but funny too.

It's pathetic that you can't see the hypocrisy in that . . .

I clearly see you lack understanding.

A man who has asked God for forgiveness of his sins...according to you....IS the same man to claim he has no sin.... <--- LOL...

Yet not ONCE can you provide a QUOTE of any man MAKING such claim.

 

[Josiah]

"works salvation" or "works righteousness" is a heresy called Pelagianism.

Epostle1,

I wish you would so inform BreadofLife and every Catholic teacher I ever had.....

Luther quoted the Indulgence Sellers pushing the sale of these with sermons that were pure and radical Pelagianism.... He reputiated that (THINKING the RC denomination would not only support him in rebuking SO obvious a case of heresy but would thank him ... but instead it excommunicated him for not promoting the heresy).

I CAN tell you that almost every Catholic I know.... and that I've met on the internet.... has been a Pelagianist. Certainly my Catholic pastor, deacon and all my Catholic teachers were. I agree with you, this position was TECHNICALLY an official heresy but it seems no one tells Catholic teachers or members that. I'll just sit back and see if you boldly condemn and correct BreadofLife on this, I'm guessing you won't.



- Josiah



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[Phoneman777]

It's been short while since thread titles have been used as a springboard for anti-Catholic bigotry. I think it will get worse before it gets better. There seems to be no rules for appropriate thread titles. It's open season on Catholics.

The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice is a book written by Philip Jenkins, Distinguished Professor of History and Religious studies at Pennsylvania State University, dealing with contemporary anti-Catholic bigotry, particularly in the United States.

Jenkins, a former Catholic who converted to the Episcopal Church in 1980,[1] argues that bigotry and hatred toward Catholics is not a thing of the past, but rather is still thriving in the U.S.[2] In Jenkins's view it is a form of bigotry that is ignored or even accepted or encouraged in quarters (mainly politically and culturally liberal ones) that would not tolerate most other forms of bigotry.[2]

A statement that is seen as racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, or homophobic can haunt a speaker for years, writes Jenkins, but it is still possible to make hostile and vituperative public statements about Roman Catholicism without fear of serious repercussions.
The New Anti-Catholicism - Wikipedia

Anti-Catholicism has a long history in America. And as Philip Jenkins argues in The New Anti-Catholicism, this virulent strain of hatred--once thought dead--is alive and well in our nation, but few people seem to notice, or care.
A statement that is seen as racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, or homophobic can haunt a speaker for years, writes Jenkins, but it is still possible to make hostile and vituperative public statements about Roman Catholicism without fear of serious repercussions. Jenkins shines a light on
anti-Catholic sentiment in American society and illuminates its causes, looking closely at gay and feminist anti-Catholicism, anti-Catholic rhetoric and imagery in the media, and the anti-Catholicism of the academic world. For newspapers and newsmagazines, for television news and in movies, for major book publishers, the Catholic Church has come to provide a grossly stereotyped public villain. Catholic opinions, doctrines, and individual leaders are frequently the butt of harsh satire. Indeed, the notion that the church is a deadly enemy of women--the idea of Catholic misogyny--is commonly accepted in the news media and in popular culture, says Jenkins...
It was said that with the election of John F. Kennedy, anti-Catholicism in America was dead. This provocative new book corrects that illusion, drawing attention to this important issue.
https://www.amazon.ca/New-Anti-Catholicism-Last-Acceptable-Prejudice/dp/0195176049

Since when do we get to demand that others not criticize our beliefs, which freedom to do so lay at the foundation of our 1st Amendment?

People who resort to circling their intellectual wagons around their beliefs rather than allowing them to stand the test of open Biblical scrutiny prove how unBiblical they are before anyone even cracks the book.

 

[Taken]

SURE they do.
They determine if you have TRUE faith or if it's just lip-service . . .

You are speaking of MEN who can SEE MEN "doing" works and the observer "determining" the man has "true faith".
THAT is something between men.

I am speaking of something completely different.

I am speaking of something between A man and God and has nothing to do with a third man, his observation, or his determinations of another man.

I am speaking of What the Lord Specifically GIVES a man WHEN that man Gives His Life TO the Lord.

As Christians - if we are not DOERS of the Word (James 1:22) - then we our faith is worthless (James 2:14-26).

I have already spoken to that.
UNCONVERTED man WHO DO give their life to the Lord, HAVE DONE SO, by and through the Faith the Lord GAVE them....FOR their confession of heartfelt belief.

He has made an UNSAVED man, SAVED.
He has made an UNBORN (of his Seed) man, Born of His Seed.
He has accepted the OLD Crucified man, as DEAD.

YOU however preach you WANT TO KEEP the OLD MAN ALIVE, IN his SAME OLD CONDITION...UNSAVED....yet oddly Born AGAIN, but STILL committing Sin.

You Preach A Born Again Man, Born of Gods Seed, Having Gods Seed, Having Gods Spirit within the man.....CONTINUES TO SIN....WHICH IS to CONTINUE to Stand Against God, as one DOES BEFORE Convertions.

It is NONSENSE... "born of God, a son of God, AND commits SIN."

Scripture says "whosoever" is born of God, CAN NOT SIN.

You attempt to change the TRUTH into ...
Whosoever is born of God "tries really hard to not sin".

Jesus was born of God. Really? You think Jesus had to "try really hard to not be in the "habit" of sinning'?

You are without understanding.
Man Which is "OF" God is Holy, Sanctified, Cleansed, Made Whole, Born of the Uncorruptable Seed of God, and IS Born Again, and NO LONGER subject TO SIN....
OR ITS CONSEQUENCES.

You claim YOU are born again...AND Continue TO SIN.

If you continue to Stand Against God, (sin), you are NOT born of an UNCORRUPTABLE SEED....

Claiming you are born again OF God UNCORRUPTABLE SEED and STILL Standing AGAINST HIM....IS Changing HIS TRUTH into a LIE.

^That's on you, for you to answer for.

He sustains ONLY those converted people who cooperate with His grace.

You are teaching a Hebrew/Jewish Precept.
They ARE NOT CONVERTED.
They ARE NOT "IN" Christ Jesus.
However THEY believe in God. They believe in Gods Messiah. They do not believe Jesus IS Gods Messiah. They Remain UNDER the Law, DOING WORKS "in hopes" they they will be saved......LIKE YOU TEACH APPLIES TO YOU according to Catholic teaching.

I do not agree with you or your teaching.
I do not DO WORKS, trying to PROVE I am Worthy to Receive His Salvation.

He Offered His Forgiveness, His Salvation, His Seed, to any man WHO believes in their Heart and Confesses THeir belief TO HIM.

I don't WAIT TO SEE, "IF" He is a liar or truthful.

I trust He is the Truth, and Lies not.
And I trust He is with me and in me Forever.
(Unlike what you teach).

I trust He directs me to Serve Him according TO HIS pleasure, NOT yours, NOT other men.

I trust He shall reward me FOR my Works that Glorify Him.

I Believe Him, (unlike you).

You slamming the gavel against anyone who does NOT agree with you, IS accounted against you, not me.

I have NO requirement to agree with you, or with what "your" church promotes.

He remains by BOTH God's power AND his cooperation with God's grace.

No. An UNCONVERTED MAN BECOMES CONVERTED "BY" Giving his LIFE TO the Lord.

The man REMAINING IN Christ, is by HIS POWER.

A mans Works DO NOT KEEP THE MAN Converted.

It's NOT by our grace -

Who said it was? I didn't.

but by cooperating with GOD'S grace.

You have already exposed..."cooperating" IS WORKS.

No. Works DO NOT KEEP a man Converted.

Jews DO WORKS to obtain Salvation, according to the LAW.

You teach the same, which is False, for a man
"IN" Christ.

YOU

seem to think that you can be saved by refusing to cooperate with God's grace.
Ain't gonna happen . . .

Again you are without understanding...and speak gibberish, which I have never said.

And that NEW man must cooperate with God's grace - or LOSE it all v(Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 2: 19)

Matt 15:13 IS NOT about a new man.
Good grief, do you not even comprehend the most simple things?

It is speaking of a man NOT of Gods Seed! And you are calling "him" a new man.

Not going to waste my time with the rest of "your" presented scriptures, already knowing you routinely make complete opposite claims of what scripture is saying.

Let's just say, you don't "agree" with James - which is a FACT . . .

No. Les'ts just speak the truth. You make up lies, vomit your lies on others, then call them facts. It is your repetitive MO.

 

[Taken]

Taken has nothing to do or post with you gone...

Clairvoyant or Window Peeper that you should KNOW what I do?

 

[Helen]

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are speaking of MEN who can SEE MEN "doing" works and the observer "determining" the man has "true faith".
THAT is something between men.

I am speaking of something completely different.

I am speaking of something between A man and God and has nothing to do with a third man, his observation, or his determinations of another man.

I am speaking of What the Lord Specifically GIVES a man WHEN that man Gives His Life TO the Lord.

I have already spoken to that.
UNCONVERTED man WHO DO give their life to the Lord, HAVE DONE SO, by and through the Faith the Lord GAVE them....FOR their confession of heartfelt belief.

He has made an UNSAVED man, SAVED.
He has made an UNBORN (of his Seed) man, Born of His Seed.
He has accepted the OLD Crucified man, as DEAD.

YOU however preach you WANT TO KEEP the OLD MAN ALIVE, IN his SAME OLD CONDITION...UNSAVED....yet oddly Born AGAIN, but STILL committing Sin.

You Preach A Born Again Man, Born of Gods Seed, Having Gods Seed, Having Gods Spirit within the man.....CONTINUES TO SIN....WHICH IS to CONTINUE to Stand Against God, as one DOES BEFORE Convertions.

It is NONSENSE... "born of God, a son of God, AND commits SIN."

Scripture says "whosoever" is born of God, CAN NOT SIN.

You attempt to change the TRUTH into ...
Whosoever is born of God "tries really hard to not sin".

Jesus was born of God. Really? You think Jesus had to "try really hard to not be in the "habit" of sinning'?

You are without understanding.
Man Which is "OF" God is Holy, Sanctified, Cleansed, Made Whole, Born of the Uncorruptable Seed of God, and IS Born Again, and NO LONGER subject TO SIN....
OR ITS CONSEQUENCES.

You claim YOU are born again...AND Continue TO SIN.

If you continue to Stand Against God, (sin), you are NOT born of an UNCORRUPTABLE SEED....

Claiming you are born again OF God UNCORRUPTABLE SEED and STILL Standing AGAINST HIM....IS Changing HIS TRUTH into a LIE.

^That's on you, for you to answer for.

2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 2: 19)

Matt 15:13 IS NOT about a new man.
Good grief, do you not even comprehend the most simple things?

It is speaking of a man NOT of Gods Seed! And you are calling "him" a new man.

Not going to waste my time with the rest of "your" presented scriptures, already knowing you routinely make complete opposite claims of what scripture is saying.

No. Les'ts just speak the truth. You make up lies, vomit your lies on others, then call them facts. It is your repetitive MO.

AGAIN - in your psychotically verbose ranting sort of way you are claiming that a man who is born again cannot fall back into sin and be lost.
As I have shown you on NUMEROUS posts on NUMEROUS threads - that is patently false.

The longer your rants - the less evidence you have for your position.
Try shorter rants with more Scriptural evidence.

You need to produce some Scripture verses that support your false beliefs that:
A born again person can NEVER lose his salvation.
A born again person can NEVER commit sin again.
God sustains the faith of a born again person - whether that person wants it or not.

These beliefs are Scripturally untenable . . .

 

[Taken]

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Funny. Perhaps I was burying a loved one. I never said, but then no need for me to speak for myself, when there are others who do not know me, so willing to speak for me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I did not.
No, I did not say that.
I said belief is a choice men can make.
I said Faith is a gift FROM God to men who believe.
Uh huh. Your claim. I disagree., with YOU.

No - I don't claim that - the BIBLE does (Matt. 25:31-46, James 2:14-26).

It is EXACTLY A LIE.
QUOTE ONE PERSON CLAIMING THEY "HAVE NO SIN".
YOU Haven't .... You Can't .... Because NO ONE has MADE that Claim!

Sooooo you are saying that YOU haven't made this claim??
Are you NOW saying that you DO sin??

You have said on numerous posts that you NO LONGER sin - and now you are claiming that this is a false claim by me??
So, which is it?? You DO sin - or you DON'T sin??

I notice you make up lies and claim it is others beliefs.
I disagree with your behavior.
However your behavior is accounted to you, not me.

Of COURSE you disagree with my behavior. I wouldn't like it either if somebody exposed my lies in front of everybody like I have exposed YOURS. It's probably humiliating.

LOL,LOL,LOL, more made up Lies. Sad, but funny too.
I clearly see you lack understanding.

A man who has asked God for forgiveness of his sins...according to you....IS the same man to claim he has no sin.... <--- LOL...
Yet not ONCE can you provide a QUOTE of any man MAKING such claim.

If you're a Christian - and you're NOT a Catholic or Orthodox Christian, then you are one of tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects of Protestant Christians who ALL teach different doctrines while ALL claiming to be "led" by the Holy Spirit.
OR, you might be one of the millions of "Lone Ranger" offshoots of Protestantism who do things their OWN way . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

False and corrupt teaching.

Care to elaborate on that - or do we have to settle for one of your simplistic denials again.
How about some REAL evidence for that comment??

False and corrupt teaching.

No kidding!
You simply do not Know Why!

Again with the moronic denials without evidence.
Soooo, God can create the Heavens and the earth out of nothing simply by talking them into existence - but He CAN'T appear on earth without a Mother??

What an appalling lack of faith . . .

Patently False.

Another ignorant denial without evidence. Try elaborating on your answer, Einstein . . .
That's THREE STRIKES . . .

Of course it is bizarre to TO YOU.
The Lords understanding is not given to those who are Not Converted.

Without having received Salvation you have chosen to rest your understanding in "your Holy father" instead of thee Holy Father"

Then why don't you EXPLAIN His Hypostatic Union to me?
OR - is this another doctrine you reject??

I am not the one preaching God is a HUMAN terrestrial man.... You Are!
I make no attempt to separate .... what He never taught was A Human terrestrial.

God declared Jesus a man.
You and your teaching declare He was a Human man. God didn't.
Guess you never knew God IS Spirit.
Guess you never knew Angels are spirits.
Guess you never Knew IT was so grievous to God for spirits to impregnate Human women via a spirits Seed and a human woman's egg.....

That God banned those spirits from earth and they are chained in hell.

And something so grievous TO God....you teach is precisely what God Himself did!
And you think you....admittedly not saved....that you are qualified to teach your corrupt fantasy as Gods Truth.
God is not created. He does not fertilize female human eggs!
So? I refer to myself as a son of God....
Because God says so.....

And it had nothing whatsoever to do with a human female egg!

So YOU are saying that Jesus was NOT a human??
- Jesus referred to HIMSELF as "SON OF MAN" (John 12:34).
- John 1:14 states explicitly that the WORD (Jesus) became FLESH.
- Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus was like US in ALL THINGS but sin (Heb. 4:15).
- In 1 Tim. 2:5, Paul refers to Him as a "MAN".

YOUR denial of His humanity is flat-out heresy. Denial of this basic truth disqualifies you as a Christian.
Jesus is FULLY man and FULLY God.

God is called whatever He dictates.
He says man, you say Human, which applies to a man made out of the dust of the earth, which Jesus was Not.

If Jesus is NOT a man - then he cannot be a "Son of David" (Matt. 15:22) which disqualifies Him from all of the prophecies relating to David.

You are DEAD WRONG on this one.

 

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AGAIN - in your psychotically verbose ranting

Boo hoo. You complain saying no one answers your posts, then disparage them if they do.

sort of way you are claiming that a man who is born again cannot fall back into sin and be lost.

Well - SINCE you are lost in understanding...
It was God who made that Claim, and I agree with Him.

Deut 22:39
...neither is there ANY that can deliver THEM OUT OF MY HAND.

Isa 43:13
....there is NONE that can deliver them out of my hand...

John 10:28
....neither shall ANY MAN pluck them out of my hand...

EXCEPT FOR BOL....WHO CLAIMS BY HIS TESTIMONY (dispite having been told and shown Gods Word)....BOL saying MEN who are IN the Lords hand....CAN take THEMSELVES OUT OF HIS HAND....

FLAT OUT Complete OPPOSITE of what the Word of God teaches AND what YOU teach.

As I have shown you on NUMEROUS posts on NUMEROUS threads - that is patently false.

No you have not.
YOU claimed they were Converted. Scripture did not.

Your teaching IS CORRUPT.

the longer your rants - the less evidence you have for your position.
Try shorter rants with more Scriptural evidence.

You could be quoted the entire Bible...to no avail. You are without Understanding.

You need to produce some Scripture verses that support your false beliefs that:
A born again person can NEVER lose his salvation.
A born again person can NEVER commit sin again.
God sustains the faith of a born again person - whether that person wants it or not.

No, I have no need to coddle the ignorant and Obtuse.

Soooo you are saying that YOU haven't made this claim??

Quote me making that claim....LOL, you can't, because it doesn't exist!!

Are you

NOW saying that you DO sin??

LOL seriously? Did you read me saying that?

You have said on

numerous posts that you NO LONGER sin -

That is CORRECT. I am born of God. Jesus was born of God. Scripture is CORRECT, that whosoever is born of God CAN NOT SIN.

Doesn't matter that does not apply to YOU. It applies to me!

and now you are claiming that this is a false claim by me??

It is the Ignorant LIKE YOU, WHO attack men who say they have been FORGIVEN THEIR SIN......Converted....Become a son of God...and Sin no more.

That YOU OPEN your yap and say such a person is CLAIMING to "HAVE NO SIN" and to BE "SINLESS"... WHICH IS ignorant people LIKE YOU making FALSE testimonies for others.

I never made a claim to HAVE NO SIN....HOW STUPID.....And REALLY STUPID for people like you to MAKE THAT CLAIM FOR OTHERS WITHOUT THEIR OWN WORD as EVIDENCE.

Are you so obstinant to NOT KNOW men forgiven of their sin DOES NOT MEAN their SIN DISAPPEARED? They have FORGIVEN SIN! THEY have COVERED Sin. THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN SIN?

WHY keep lying, and saying FOR THEM, they claim to have NO SIN? NOT ONCE have you provided ONE PERSON made that claim for themselves. IT IS SIMPLY YOU LYING.

And some who do the SAME AS YOU, making up lies for others....saying they are SINLESS.

HOW STUPID. Men are born IN SIN! Sinless is to never have HAD SIN.

What is wrong with you that YOU have to SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE things THEY NEVER SAID?

That is CALLED LYING.
That is CALLED giving FALSE TESTIMONY.

And you do that REPEATEDLY on a daily basis.

And then right after you make A FALSE TESTIMONY for another....YOU DISAGREE with what you have SAID "FOR THEM"...

Do you really NOT COMPREHEND HOW TWISTED that is?

So,

which is it?? You DO sin - or you DON'T sin??

3,000 pages and you are asking a question that has been umpteen times answered....and then whine "rant, rant, rant".... How juvenile. Lol

Of COURSE you disagree with my behavior.

Correct. I do not like liars making up lies and saying they are my claims.

I wouldn't like it either if somebody exposed my lies

You are not EXPOSING LIES....you are making them UP and saying "YOUR WORDS" are an others CLAIMS, when they are not.

in front of everybody like I have exposed YOURS. It's probably humiliating.

You can not humiliate me, but you do a good job of revealing your own foolishness.

If you're a Christian - and you're NOT a Catholic or Orthodox Christian, then you are one of tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects of Protestant Christians who ALL teach different doctrines while ALL claiming to be "led" by the Holy Spirit.
OR, you might be one of the millions of "Lone Ranger" offshoots of Protestantism who do things their OWN way . . .

LOL ya, ya, already heard your speech, it's all about YOU, YOUR church and YOUR holy father and every one else is wrong... LOL

Too bad bubs, I'll stick with Christ, Christ's Church and Thee TRUE Holy Father....
Forever, just as He said (in contrast to YOUR teaching) NO ONE can take me out of His Hand!! Praise and Blessing TO MY Lord, MY God.