Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

[Rollo Tamasi]

Many Christians believe it is okay to have guns and be ready to kill people if necessary.
Their argument?
"If someone breaks into my house and starts raping and killing my wife and children, I need to be prepared to protect them.

There is nothing in the Bible to back this up as I and others could prove to anyone that would be willing to listen.
Most pro gunners just close their ears to my responses.

Does anyone know of any Christians who have been in this situation?
Does anyone know of a Christian who was prepared with a gun and killed all the bad guys?
This situation doesn't exist.

What does exist is that Christians may be hurt by the world.
Our weapons are prayer and the Word of God.
Have problems believing that?
Start by working on your prayer life.
The more of a prayer warrior you become, the safer you will feel.
Learn to walk with Jesus day and night.
Then who could hurt you?
How much does God protect you?
How much of your life have you given him?

My point is that I have given my life to Jesus as has my wife.
We trust in him to meet out needs, to keep us safe and healthy.
Even though I continue to have health problems, I keep getting better.
Even though I continue to have financial problems, I keep overcoming them.
Even though I live in a rough neighborhood, it seems as though everyone's afraid of us instead of the other way around.

Jesus will protect you better than a gun.
He will protect your family better than a gun.
He will provide for you in life better than you can do it yourself.

It's time to truly give your life to Jesus.
Step out in faith, lay everything at the foot of the cross, and walk away knowing you are a better person for it.

I pray you receive this with faith, hope, and love.
Amen.

 

[Willie T]

Kinda glad you weren't covering my back, Al. (You think a VC is any less dead than a Florida thief?)

 

[Helen]

I am not for the removal of gun.

Every dictatorship government is terrified of Mr Ordinary owning guns.
It is the Gov's which want the people disarmed.
A disarmed people are easier to control.

At your peril.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Kinda glad you weren't covering my back, Al. (You think a VC is any less dead than a Florida thief?)

You're safer with me today, now that I'm walking with Jesus.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am not for the removal of gun.

Every dictatorship government is terrified of Mr Ordinary owning guns.
It is the Gov's which want the people disarmed.
A disarmed people are easier to control.

At your peril.

Jesus is in control of my life.
Try it.
You might like it.

 

[Helen]

Jesus is in control of my life.
Try it.
You might like it.

Agree....but that doesn't mean that I believe that Mr Ordinary in the street need to roll over and be dictated to.

 

[Enoch111]

Many Christians believe it is okay to have guns and be ready to kill people if necessary.

But a skilful use of a gun does not need to lead to a fatal shooting. Just the threat itself may suffice, and if that does not, a disabling shot would be sufficient.

Self -defense is not forbidden in the Bible, and if criminals (evildoers) know that the citizens in a certain district are all well armed and well trained they would avoid it like the plague. It is the gun-free zones which are an open invitation to criminals that they can do whatever they please with impunity.

Also, the regions with the strictest gun controls are also the regions with the highest rates of homicide. Why? Criminals laugh at gun control since in their minds those rules do not apply to them -- just to law-abiding citizens! And the Left-Liberal elites who cry loudest for gun control are also the cowards who hide behind armed security guards.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Enoch 111 writes, "Self defense is not forbidden in the Bible.
Show me where Jesus taught this.
Don't use the Old Testament.
Israel was a nation, Christianity is not.
Jesus taught peace.
Where did he say to have weapons for self defense?
Two swords for the whole group?
Use one sword to attack the enemy, then Jesus has to straighten it all out peacefully.
What's going on?
Explain the use of two swords with Scripture that can back it up.
Two swords.
"That's enough", Jesus said.
That's quite an army.
Where else in Scripture are we told to defend ourselves?
Two swords.
They must mean something else.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Agree....but that doesn't mean that I believe that Mr Ordinary in the street need to roll over and be dictated to.

I don't understand this statement.
But it sounds like you are walking on the fence, trying to say you are a Christian on one hand and ready to kill someone on the other hand.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Enoch 111 writes, "Self defense is not forbidden in the Bible.
Show me where Jesus taught this.
Don't use the Old Testament.
Israel was a nation, Christianity is not.
Jesus taught peace.
Where did he say to have weapons for self defense?
Two swords for the whole group?
Use one sword to attack the enemy, then Jesus has to straighten it all out peacefully.
What's going on?
Explain the use of two swords with Scripture that can back it up.
Two swords.
"That's enough", Jesus said.
That's quite an army.
Where else in Scripture are we told to defend ourselves?

Let's consider how God uses government, the armies, and those in authority like the police.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Society sees & uses police as a deterrent. Neighbors sees each other having a gun in the same way, even to deter from covetousness.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

This promise above applies to every christian whether they have a gun or not, because even having a gun, that does not mean it will always be available, but God is always available.

So having a gun does not necessarily mean protection; but it can be used by God to deter sinners from being tempted to commit a crime as He does uses governments, armies, and those in authorities like the police for that purpose.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Let's consider how God uses government, the armies, and those in authority like the police.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Society sees & uses police as a deterrent. Neighbors sees each other having a gun in the same way, even to deter from covetousness.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

This promise above applies to every christian whether they have a gun or not, because even having a gun, that does not mean it will always be available, but God is always available.

So having a gun does not necessarily mean protection; but it can be used by God to deter sinners from being tempted to commit a crime as He does uses governments, armies, and those in authorities like the police for that purpose.

I agree.
So that brings us to the question; can a person choose to be in the military or a policeman and still be walking in the Holy Spirit?
I think it's possible, yes, but to choose this life style is not promoted in the Bible.
Most people who join these forces are between 18-21 years old, and don't really have a handle on life.
They don't know what they are getting into.
When they kill someone, it remains a scar for life and somehow they try to justify it in their minds.
Most people I know say they are forgiven by God and go on with their lives.
but the thoughts of what they have done remain.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I agree.
So that brings us to the question; can a person choose to be in the military or a policeman and still be walking in the Holy Spirit?
I think it's possible, yes, but to choose this life style is not promoted in the Bible.
Most people who join these forces are between 18-21 years old, and don't really have a handle on life.
They don't know what they are getting into.
When they kill someone, it remains a scar for life and somehow they try to justify it in their minds.
Most people I know say they are forgiven by God and go on with their lives.
but the thoughts of what they have done remain.

Well, it should bother them when taking a life. I would think those he or she serves with, would concern them if that didn't bother that person for killing someone.

But let's look at having a gun for protection in other ways, and not just for a deterrent. Animals like raccoons, possums, coyotes, and even bears are making their ways into the city, and they may have rabies. I am sure a parent will wish they had a gun when a critter foaming at the mouth is approaching one of their little ones outside.

The wild west stories not only include stories of gunfights, but stories where a gun was necessary for the protection of a life against the wild, including poisonous snakes.

Then you have riots in the city. Then there are some who will use the cover of a riot to do evil to others. If those tempted in your neighborhood knows you & your family has a gun, they will move on to the next easier target.

Christian gun owners should pray for themselves and for members of the family that have access to that gun that the Lord will lead them away from temptation to use the gun to kill out of anger rather than out of love for protection. Christians should trust the Lord to guide them in every matter.

The one thing the Lord may lead a believer to do in shooting a home invader, is to show love for your neighbor in preventing that criminal from doing that to anybody else... and more than likely, he already has. It doesn't have to be shoot to kill, but if the home invader is still attacking rather than retreating...any police officer would call that a "good shoot". You really have to wonder about any home invader if they are not retreating at the sight of you with a gun. They either think you will not use it, and sees an opportunity to use your gun for evil too or they have a death wish as in "I don't care about me or my life any more."

All I can say is if the bullets stop the home invader and not kill him, maybe then would be a good time to minister to him other than rendering first aid while the police and the ambulance are on the way.

As it is, we have this saying about providing for your own house ( as in taking care of the widows too ).

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Wives and children look to their husbands and fathers for protection. A gun would come in handy for easier and faster way to give that protection.

Gun owners should look to the Lord that he or she would never have to use it. That is how some of the police feel about using their guns.

If someone reading this right now has thoughts of using a gun to kill someone, and it has nothing to do with self defense or protecting others, then you should pray to the Lord for help to deter you from evil, even if it means turning the gun(s) in to the police by calling them to come & get them, especially when you are not willing to suffer grief the way the Lord has suffered grief wrongfully.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

 

[Nancy]

Many Christians believe it is okay to have guns and be ready to kill people if necessary.
Their argument?
"If someone breaks into my house and starts raping and killing my wife and children, I need to be prepared to protect them.

There is nothing in the Bible to back this up as I and others could prove to anyone that would be willing to listen.
Most pro gunners just close their ears to my responses.

Does anyone know of any Christians who have been in this situation?
Does anyone know of a Christian who was prepared with a gun and killed all the bad guys?
This situation doesn't exist.

What does exist is that Christians may be hurt by the world.
Our weapons are prayer and the Word of God.
Have problems believing that?
Start by working on your prayer life.
The more of a prayer warrior you become, the safer you will feel.
Learn to walk with Jesus day and night.
Then who could hurt you?
How much does God protect you?
How much of your life have you given him?

My point is that I have given my life to Jesus as has my wife.
We trust in him to meet out needs, to keep us safe and healthy.
Even though I continue to have health problems, I keep getting better.
Even though I continue to have financial problems, I keep overcoming them.
Even though I live in a rough neighborhood, it seems as though everyone's afraid of us instead of the other way around.

Jesus will protect you better than a gun.
He will protect your family better than a gun.
He will provide for you in life better than you can do it yourself.

It's time to truly give your life to Jesus.
Step out in faith, lay everything at the foot of the cross, and walk away knowing you are a better person for it.

I pray you receive this with faith, hope, and love.
Amen.

I knoe way too many Christian who claim to have (usually several) weapons in their houses but, I have long ago stopped trying to get my views across, they kept calling me a "liberal"

"...We trust in him to meet out needs, to keep us safe and healthy.
Even though I continue to have health problems, I keep getting better.
Even though I continue to have financial problems, I keep overcoming them.
Even though I live in a rough neighborhood, it seems as though everyone's afraid of us instead of the other way around."

Either we trust or we do not. All or nothing proposition...IMO! Good post.

 

[Truth]

Enoch 111 writes, "Self defense is not forbidden in the Bible.
Show me where Jesus taught this.
Don't use the Old Testament.
Israel was a nation, Christianity is not.
Jesus taught peace.
Where did he say to have weapons for self defense?
Two swords for the whole group?
Use one sword to attack the enemy, then Jesus has to straighten it all out peacefully.
What's going on?
Explain the use of two swords with Scripture that can back it up.
Two swords.
"That's enough", Jesus said.
That's quite an army.
Where else in Scripture are we told to defend ourselves?
Two swords.
They must mean something else.

I believe there is only one place where we or the Apostles were it is expressed to gain a weapon, Luke 22:36 - Then He said to them, But now,he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and He who has NO sword, let him sell his garment and buy one! 37, read at your own time. 38- So they said, Lord look, here are Two Swords. And He [the Lord] said to them; that is enough!
I just posted these verses for clarity. I believe that the end of Our Saviors life was at hand, and He knew that the wicked might pose a threat to the Apostles, Self-defense is not a sin, protecting your Family is not a sin. when He said two were enough, maybe He only saw them as tools for threatening would be Attackers!
Now in my opinion, there may be some who before, were ordained to defend others in the time to come, weather by sword, or guns, or just a stand off until others can escape. who rely knows?

 

[Truth]

Many Christians believe it is okay to have guns and be ready to kill people if necessary

I own a few guns, BUT I am and will never be READY to Kill anyone! I am sure Glad that God and Savior know My Heart, I think to dispatch a human life would forever cripple me!

 

[Truth]

I know there is no response here.
I do understand your Point, We as Believer should Have complete,Unwavering, sold out, not a slight unsureity , total dependence on God and Savior to keep us from harm in any form!
But will there come a time that we are tested, to see if we are unwavering, sold out, ect! will any of us just get in line and allow our enemies to lead us to the chopping block, Deny or Die! I Believe we will be tested!

 

[Helen]

I don't understand this statement.
But it sounds like you are walking on the fence, trying to say you are a Christian on one hand and ready to kill someone on the other hand.

Me personally, no.
What do I need a gun for? If I had one someone would just take it off me and use it on me!!

But I stand by what I said. I do not believe government should disarm the people. That gives the governments all the power.

You may believe and trust governments...I do NOT!!
To Mr Ordinary it 'looks like' the countries are different and disagree on things.
It is all one big chess board ...manipulating the pawns...to bring forth a One World Government and 100% control.

But, you are free to believe and trust whoever you like!!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I believe there is only one place where we or the Apostles were it is expressed to gain a weapon, Luke 22:36 - Then He said to them, But now,he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and He who has NO sword, let him sell his garment and buy one! 37, read at your own time. 38- So they said, Lord look, here are Two Swords. And He [the Lord] said to them; that is enough!
I just posted these verses for clarity. I believe that the end of Our Saviors life was at hand, and He knew that the wicked might pose a threat to the Apostles, Self-defense is not a sin, protecting your Family is not a sin. when He said two were enough, maybe He only saw them as tools for threatening would be Attackers!
Now in my opinion, there may be some who before, were ordained to defend others in the time to come, weather by sword, or guns, or just a stand off until others can escape. who rely knows?

Skip a verse and tell me to read it later.
That's an insult to me.