Someone pointed out something that I thought was a really good point. When John the Baptist baptized Jesus Christ, He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. He wasn't infilled with the Spirit, because He is a part of the Trinity.
Instead He told the disciples He would send the Comforter to them...So there is a difference between being empowered by the Spirit and being Spirit-filled.
The disciples, including Judas Iscariot whom was not a believer, did receive a temporary power of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 10th chapter.
Jesus breathed on most of the disciples ( except Thomas ) again in the upper room and said unto them to receive the Holy Spirit.
But the disciples were not saved, yet because that was not the promise from the Father at their salvation when Jesus was with them. That promise can only come when Jesus was no longer present with them and so the born again of the spirit cannot take place until after He had ascended.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Once saved, He promised that they will never thirst again for the Holy Spirit.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So here is Jesus testifying when that promise will be sent from the Father when He was no longer present with them for that born again of the Spirit.
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus is talking about leaving them here soon.... which was before His crucifixion and referring to His ascension above.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. .....16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may
abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but
ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
So that is why all invitations points to the Son in coming to God the Father for anything; and not to the Holy Spirit when it is the Father that sends the Holy Spirit as promised for coming to Jesus.
Again. Jesus clarifies when that promise would be sent by the Father when He was no longer present with them.
John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Modern day tongues speakers all refer to a supernatural phenomenon that comes over them apart from the calling of the gospel when they were saved. That was when they got that kind of tongue for private use; it wasn;t done by the calling of the gospel, but by the lir of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.
I do believe in tongues as a prayer language, though I will continue to study. I do want to be able to explain why I believe how I do and interpret scripture in the right way.
In spite of all the scripture to the contrary of John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions? That even His groanings are silent in John 8:26-27 of the KJV in keeping in line with the truth in John 16:13 in all Bibles?
I am just glad my salvation is not based on this area! Nor do I feel tongues makes someone elite or not elite. That is a bad attitude to have.
Well, tongue speakers in this forum will not come out and say it so plainly and boldly as I am taking it to mean by their testimonies in any post by itself,
but they DO hope that non tongue speaking believers in Christ
may also know the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is when the tongue speakers are actually deferring from the testimony we are all supposed to share in 1 Corinthians 12:13, and without clarification like that WITHIN that post, new believers or babes in Christ will think because they do not speak in tongues, then they must not have the Holy Spirit yet, and start thinking they are not saved yet.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Why? Because of this verse below.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So they worry, and fear and want to make sure they are saved and so they seek after the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign of tongues.
That is how they can come off as elite when they testify their wish for others to know the baptism of the Holy Ghost within the context of using tongues for private use. They say they have something not every believer has by wishing that baptism of the Holy Ghost on others. The innuendo is there for believers wondering if they had ever received the baptism of Holy Spirit or not at the calling of the gospel when they had believed in Him as promised.
When a few of them in two other threads, refer to Acts 8th chapter for proof that not all believers receive the Holy Spirit when they believe, but they were arguing for how a believer can receive a baptism of the Holy Ghost apart from salvation. They were the ones painting themselves in a corner when it is written that Peter and John had to come down BECAUSE the Holy Spirit had not fallen on any of them yet but were just water baptized in His name. Explaining Acts 8th chapter to them was an epic failure just as explaining 1 Corinthians 14th chapter was. And so when I had asked if they are saying that believers need to seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by that sign of tongue to know they are saved, they saw me as manipulative in seeing where I was going with this, when in actuality, they were the ones painting themselves in the corner by referring to Acts 8.
If you want to read what Acts 8 is all about... there is a thread I had started in Bible Study forum... at the link below.
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/why-the-delay-in-acts-8-5-24-to-be-saved.23645/
You can read Acts 8th chapter for yourself at Bible Gateway... at the link below.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8&version=KJV