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Featured Modern Day Tongue Speakers Roll Call Poll

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by JesusIsFaithful, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. I speak in tongues by that second blessing, but I do not support any other movement of the "spirit"

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  2. I speak in tongues by that second blessing, but I do believe one can receive the Holy Spirit again

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  3. I speak in tongues since my salvation even though I was a believer before that moment.

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  4. I speak in tongues and can interpret my own tongues

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  5. I had fallen down when I got my gift of tongues.

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  6. I had not fallen down when I got my gift of tongues

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  7. I had not fallen down when I got my gift of tongues, but others have fallen down though

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  8. I do not speak in tongues, but I can interpret those tongues even though I do not know it

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  9. I do not speak in tongues, but I can interpret those tongues that I know as second languages

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  10. I speak in tongues & interpret the tongues because I know it as a second languages

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  1. Stranger

    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    Having the gifts of tongues is not apostasy. The gift of tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit, period. It has nothing to do with apostasy.

    You are not paying attention. One receives the gift of tongues only after he is born-again. One can only receive a gift of the Holy Spirit, if he has the Holy Spirit. Your accusation of apostasy is ridiculous.

    That prophecy is a greater gift than tongues does not take away from the fact that tongues is a gift. Get over it. Do not forbid to speak in tongues.

    Nothing in (1 Cor. 12) says tongues are not for private use. And (1 Cor. 14:4,28) says they can be.

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  2. Angelina

    Angelina Prayer Warrior Staff Member Admin

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    Totally agree with you @Stranger. The gift of tongues is of the Holy Spirit just like any other gift.
     
  3. JesusIsFaithful

    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Okay.

    Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

    That was a prayer from an O.T. saint because it can happen for why he prayed that He would not.

    Jesus was the Son of God that men has seen in the O.T. before His incarnation when He was conceived by the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary to become the Son of Man and the Son of God in prophesy. I am not sure if that is why as the Son of Man that Luke recorded Him as being full of the Holy Ghost to signify how He was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, but there is that.

    Luke 4:1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

    Correct, but in Matthew 10th chapter, Jesus did give this instruction to even Judas Iscariot.

    Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    So there has to be some kind of filling which was only temporary and not the promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost that comes at our salvation which can only happen after Jesus had ascended to the Father.

    I am not sure what part of Revelation you are talking about. You lost me there.

    This is why we are always Spirit-filled so we can be held accountable to what we sow towards since we are still in this fallen flesh, whether it be the works of the flesh or the fruits of the Spirit, but because our bodies is the temple of the Holy Spirit and defiling it by iniquities can grieve Him even though He is not going any where.

    1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

    Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    The consequence for deviling the temple of God is a physical death, but the spirit still has His seal as hinted of the soul being saved as mentioned earlier in the scripture.

    1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    The problem I am seeing can be referenced to one incident reported by someone in another christian forum that spoke of a neighbor that went to the rescue of another neighboring couple that were afraid to go into their home because of an evil growling being heard in that home. This neighbor was a Pentecostal and had gone into the home and by God's hand, removed the evil entity from that home. The couple never heard any more growling in that home, but...the next day that Pentecostal neighbor had killed himself by hanging.

    Now given that Pentecostals sometimes seek to be filled with the Spirit in private, I cannot help but think that by opening themselves up like that, regardless of thinking of only receiving an infilling of the Holy Spirit, that just gave that evil entity a place to go. It was one thing when he was on guard and facing that evil entity as the Lord cast its evil presence from the home, but when in private of his home and living in that same neighborhood...I shudder what he went through before he had killed himself by hanging.

    I really do not believe no christian should be opening themselves up for any spirit to be receiving. If a christian wanted to be a medium in contacting ghosts through them, as much as it is an abomination to the Lord, the Lord will permit that to happen, and so it will be for any that practice that rudiment in the world of seeking to receive spirits, even as a temporary infilling since it is often repeated. Either we rest in Jesus Christ that we are Spirit-filled at the calling of the gospel when we were saved, or we are moving away from that rest in seeking to relate to God thru what we believe is the Holy Spirit. Scripture would have Jesus Christ as our Bridegroom in relating to us as the bride through the Holy Spirit in us, but because the Spirit is only relaying His words to us, our response as the Bride is back to the Bridegroom directly as it should be in coming to God the Father by the Son.

    So tongues as a prayer language does not accomplish anything other than getting in the way of the bride from relating to the Bridegroom personally themselves. Best pray normally to our Friend Whom has died for us as there is no greater love demonstrated than the One that paid for our sins.
     
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  4. JesusIsFaithful

    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Brother Amadeus,

    If you cannot see me as doing anything but tear you down, then I wonder how you can correct anyone in what they are doing by the scripture.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Now does any one reading that quote above see that as coming off as something the elite would say? I do.

    1 Corinthians 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    Like it or not, you guys have been saying stuff like that without realizing it. And liking it too.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Even if it was at my expense as being beneath you. Still don't see any separation there in the body of Christ done by you guys either, huh?

    1 Corinthians 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
    26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
    27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    Maybe I should just acknowledge that you guys will never see what you are doing wrong until God intervenes.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you ever did. If it did happen, I forgive ya. :)
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    You cannot even address those verses in my posts that proves it is not and so your only recourse is to address the chapter in general.

    I leave you in God's hands, brother Stranger, since you do protest way too much.
     
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    I protest too much? This whole thread of yours is a long drawn out protest against the gift of tongues and the believer who uses them.

    An important point to remember is found in (1Cor. 14:32). "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." In other words, the one with the spiritual gift has control over the use of the gift.

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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    Time for you to do this with Him, brother.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

    See actual footage of Khundalini which was an eastern mysticism that had existed long before Pentecost and still does exist today in how these believers are seeking this filling of the Holy Spirit and not just for tongues which never comes with interpretation in how it relates to that appearance of evil.

    Some believers will make the excuse that Satan will copy cat God's workings and gifts, but Isaiah 8:19 has the Bible proving that there was a supernatural tongue before Pentecost that was just vain & profane babbling and history also puts Khundalini before Pentecost and so that would make God the copy catting of Satan, which is not true. The only conclusion is that tongues without interpretation is not of Him, when it existed before Pentecost, and you guys are wresting Paul's words out of context for what Paul was trying to say for why you are to seek prophesy over tongues.

    So in order to apply those verses above to prove all things and to abstain from all appearances of evil, then you have to compare the video with Him.

     
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    Concerning (Is. 8:19), it doesn't matter what antics the wizards and soothsayers perform. You could equally say there should be no prophets because there are false prophets. Foolish.

    And, don't be deceived about demon possession. In a Presbyterian church, the demon will act like a Presbyterian. Same with Baptist or Roman churches. In a Chrasmatic church the same is true.

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    THAT is what is wrong with you.
    You have no ability to discern the true from the false.
    All you have the ability to do is to just lump everyone together as all bad apples. :rolleyes:

    Someone, sometime, somewhere... scared you silly about the Holy Spirit...so now all you can do is run shrieking around obsessed and yelling- " The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
     
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    I have really read your posts carefully, not just the ones on this thread addressed to me. I have prayed for you and your concerns and not only in tongues. You cannot take me as I am so then let it lie where it is.

    I am what I am in God. When He sees fits if I am pliable He will change me.
    Give God the glory!
     
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    Every person who has not already overcome as Jesus overcame in His world makes mistakes in his walk with God. Do you want perfection in us? So do we, but who is able to recognize the flaws and fix them? All I can say is pray for us and we will pray for you so that God will increase us all as we allow it. I won't change to what you say simply because you say it.
    Help us all dear Lord!
     
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    Foolish is taking God's gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and turning it around to have it come without interpretation and so you assume that it must be for private use when that kind of tongue for private use has been in the world before Pentecost.

    God cannot call those sinners to repentance if christians assumes God's gift of tongues to be doing the same as supernatural tongue the world has.

    I did not say there was no God's gift of tongues: I just said God's gift of tongues is not for private use. So your comparison of my saying no prophet exists and so there are only false prophets do not apply.

    So far, you say nothing to inform believers of the difference nor how to test the spirits, and yet scripture in the N.T. like 1 John 4:1-6 tells us to by reminding us that the Holy Spirit is in us and so any spirit being felt coming over a believer apart from salvation is not the Holy Spirit 1 John 4:4 AND also in testing those spirits is by the tongue they bring as those who attest to the receiving of a "spirit" will speak as the world speaks in tongues which is not a foreign language but just plain nonsense; thus the spirit of error. You can know the Spirit of Truth from the spirit of error when you understand what God is saying unto you in His truths. Vain and profane babbling as much as they come with fakers to fit in, they come in with fake interpreters in guessing or imagining what that tongue is saying as if whatever thoughts come into their heads, that is the translation; not.

    God has spoken to saints in the past without a secret language and so He does not need to speak to individual believer privately by way of tongues without interpretation as if He is suddenly incapable of speaking to a believer directly any more. That is foolish and it is more than foolish to believe tongues can be for private use making God look confusing in His operations when confusion is not what God is the author of.

    But you want to gloss over that and ignore scripture lines of discernment and even deductive reasoning because what? To defend your tongues? Because you do protest way too much if you say you do not speak in tongues at all, and by doing so, you leave the church wide open for sinners to bring their spirits and their kind of tongues that comes with no interpretation into the churches. Deal with it or not.
     
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    JesusIsFaithful Well-Known Member

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    And still you guys can't tell me how to tell the difference from the bad apples, and yet the apostle John says to not believe every spirit but test them in 1 John 4:1-6 as we are to prove everything by Him while abstaining from all appearances of evil in 1 Thessalonians 5:21-24

    So how is that working out for you, sister?
     
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    If there is no interpreter then the gift of tongues is not exercised in the assembly. Which means there is no gift of tongues operating in the assembly without an interpreter. The one with the gift of tongues simply keeps it between himself and God.

    As I said, false prophets does not mean there are no real prophets.

    The gift of tongues is and can be for private use as (1 Cor. 14:4,28) prove.

    The believer has the Spirit of God and there are those in the assembly who have the gift of discernment, and the leaders in the assembly should be prepared to call down any false exercise of the gift. But since you are so interested in 'discernment' and 'testing' the spirits, what do you do if there is one with the gift of tongues and one with the gift of interpretation, yet both are false. How do you know the interpretation is not false?

    You again are not paying attention. If there is no interpreter then the one with the gift of tongues does not bring it into the church.

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    1. What passes for the "gift of tongues" today is not even remotely what we find in the Bible in Acts 2 and 1 Cor 12, 1 Cor 14.

    2. I do not speak in tongues (the real Bible version of it) nor do I have the gift of interpretation. Not an option in your poll -- but I think a great many Christians identify with what I am saying.

    3. Those in the Bible who actually had the real gift of tongues (known human languages since "tongues is a sign to unbelievers") - seem to have gotten it as a "second blessing" sort of arrangement after being saved.

    4. 1 Cor 12 ends with the statement that the Holy Spirit has/had no intention of giving everyone in the church any one gift.
     
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    Don't you think it strange when Paul says forbid not to speak in tongues and yet by the way you are applying 1 Corinthians 14:28 to mean is that the person had to be speaking in tongues in the first place for any one to recognize there is no interpreter BEFORE they can tell him to be silent.

    If tongues can be for private use as you say and it comes with no interpretation, who is Paul says for any one to silence the guy in the assembly? How come Paul doesn't say that when tongues comes with no interpretation, it is prayer time for the Holy Spirit?

    Since Paul is not a hypocrite, you are not understanding 1 Corinthians 14:28 nor 1 Corinthians 14:2 & 4 either. You need Him to help you do so.

    As I said, that is not the proper application to what I am saying at all, but if you want to be obtuse about it, so be it.

    Missing the messages of 3 chapters for how you are applying those verses out of context.

    Since tongues with interpretation is for the edification of the church for why prophesy is better, if it goes against written scripture, it is false.

    And how does one know when tongues comes with no interpretation until it does in the assembly for how you are applying vs 28 to mean? Then they would have to be made to silence which goes back to my asking who is Paul to tell the Holy Spirit to be silent just because it comes with no interpretation? Therefore ergo... you are reading Paul's words wrongly, brother Stranger, but only Jesus can help you see the reasoning in that.
     
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    Agreed.

    As do I as stated in the OP. That is why I did not vote. It is a Poll for Modern Day Tongue Speakers.

    Nope. They did not. Tongue speakers often refer to Acts 19:1-7 as one of their proof texts for this, but they were disciples of John the Baptist's and not believers in Jesus Christ. That was why Paul had asked those questions in trying to figure out what kind of disciples they were. By knowing they were identified only by the water baptism of John the Baptist's, then Paul told them about Jesus Christ as the One John the Baptist was preaching about, and it was then they believed, got water baptized, and saved. So they had gotten that tongue when they were saved since they were saved along the way to someplace as a witness to others around them.

    And yet modern day tongue speakers all wished everybody knew this "baptism of the Holy Spirit" by the sign of tongues as if that kind of tongue can be for everyone.

    I suspect that this kind of tongue with no interpretation, will be the unity factor in getting all the world's religions into that one world religion in the great tribulation since that kind of tongue is already in most of the world's religions of the world, the occult, and cults in christianity. I do not care to be down here to see that since it can only happen after the great trib rapture event, but the premise for it can actually be suspected to be seen heading that way.
     
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