Modern Day Tongue Speakers Roll Call Poll

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Modern Day Tongue Speakers Roll Call Poll

  • I speak in tongues by that second blessing, but I do not support any other movement of the "spirit"

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  • I speak in tongues by that second blessing, but I do believe one can receive the Holy Spirit again

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  • I speak in tongues since my salvation even though I was a believer before that moment.

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  • I speak in tongues and can interpret my own tongues

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  • I had fallen down when I got my gift of tongues.

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  • I had not fallen down when I got my gift of tongues, but others have fallen down though

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  • I do not speak in tongues, but I can interpret those tongues even though I do not know it

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  • I do not speak in tongues, but I can interpret those tongues that I know as second languages

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  • I speak in tongues & interpret the tongues because I know it as a second languages

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Someone pointed out something that I thought was a really good point. When John the Baptist baptized Jesus Christ, He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. He wasn't infilled with the Spirit, because He is a part of the Trinity.

Instead He told the disciples He would send the Comforter to them...So there is a difference between being empowered by the Spirit and being Spirit-filled. I do believe in tongues as a prayer language, though I will continue to study. I do want to be able to explain why I believe how I do and interpret scripture in the right way.

I am just glad my salvation is not based on this area! Nor do I feel tongues makes someone elite or not elite. That is a bad attitude to have.
 
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You've done it again. You are still making your declarations instead of discussing anything. Sorry but that is what you are doing. You keep mentioning to me things I have never discussed or mentioned as if I had. You put words in my mouth and then expect me to respond...

I did respond in according to specific statements within your quotes. If you cannot clarify your quotes by saying what you meant to say which you have been continuing to neglect to do, I don't see how I can be seen as putting words in your mouth, brother.
 

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Again, none of the verses you give say what you are trying to make them say.

Then you are supporting apostasy which is what they are preaching for saved believers to receive the Holy Spirit again by that kind of tongues.

Is there a gift of tongues? Yes. Does it operate among the assembly of believers,? Yes. Is there a gift of an interpretation of tongues? Yes. If there is none in the assembly with the gift of interpretation, is the believer to exercise the gift of tongues in the assembly? No. Can the believer exercise the gift of tongues to himself wherever he is at. Yes.

Funny how that tongue for private use is gained by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. Still missing the forest for all the trees? That kind of tongue for private use is always linked to that apostate calling.

That is the simple explanation of the gift of tongues given in (1Cor. 12-13).

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That is a cop out for taking verses 2 & 4 out of context of 1 Corinthians 14:1-4 for why prophesy is better than tongues, and you do so at the expense of 1 Corinthians 12:3-13 for why that kind of tongue never comes with interpretation because it is gained by having another drink of the One Spirit.

They are the ones departing from the traditions taught of us as they hope others may "know" the baptism of the Holy Ghost by the evidence of tongues.

You are not paying attention to how they got that tongue for private use and that is why they focus on verses 2 & 4 of the 14th chapter to rationalize why that tongue never comes with interpretation because they assume it is for private use. 1 Corinthians 12th chapter says it cannot be for private use.
 

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I did respond in according to specific statements within your quotes. If you cannot clarify your quotes by saying what you meant to say which you have been continuing to neglect to do, I don't see how I can be seen as putting words in your mouth, brother.
You still responded in places to my words without understanding or an interest as expressed by questions. Rather you simply criticized according to your own preconceived notions. I don't blame you for that. We are all likely to be that way in a measure until and if we have overcome that within ourselves as well. My point is that you do not want a discussion. You want to be the lecturer answering only questions fitted to your lecture rather than any that might even apparently seek to undermine its foundation.
 
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It really is not final according to the man who know the written scriptures the best and draws the most logically conclusions from them. That is according to the wisdom and knowledge of men. It is not the one with the brain equivalent to an Einstein that will rise to the top with the Lord... God is no respecter of persons and His judgment on each of us is fair according to what He knows has been available to each one of us. This includes IQ and education and time and the lack thereof for each one of these and more. Do we really suppose that the apostle Paul was closer to God than any one of us? That man had an education in the scriptures long before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus, but before that meeting for what did he use his education, his knowledge of the scriptures? To do the work of the adversaries of God and His Son presuming that he was on the Lord's side. Again I am really not trying convince you that my doctrine or my way of serving God is right although you may think that that is my purpose. What does God want from each of us? Who is leading each of us? Who should be leading each of us?


One day maybe, hopefully, you will be interested in really discussing what I believe instead of what you have decided that I believe.
As I see God is in me [not outside], but so also is the old man who once ruled me. That is the new man versus the old man. This is why James speaks of double mindedness. It is why John the Baptist says this:


"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

You speak of again and again, but what really should be happening is that each of us is repenting those things uncovered or discovered anew within us of which we were unaware previously. That is what should be but too often what is happening is we are mimicking the children of Israel who daily needed to go back to the outer court and have the priest make the sacrifice again and again for the same old sins repeated again and again. We have more than they had so that should not be how it is, but nonetheless... we keep wanting to put Jesus back on the cross to suffer again for that he has already suffered.

You my friend are hung up on speaking in tongues and what it is and what it is not. Whatever it is, God most certainly knows. Anyone who is really hungry and thirsty for the righteousness of God will be filled properly... without regard to your foolish attempts to help God.


I agree with the verses cited above. What is it that will cause the Holy Spirit to leave us, that will cause the containers to break, for us to lose our place with God? The same thing that caused Adam and Eve to lose what they had: following our own ways for our own purposes instead of yielding ourselves to God and following Him wherever He leads. If we decided yesterday where He is leading us today and go ahead rush right in according to yesterday's decision instead of waiting on Him today, it is a pit into which we will be falling of our own choosing.

"This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it." Psalm 118:24



I already responded to this thing of "again and again". That which often is, is not what should be, but it still is until we have surrendered everything to Him. Who has done it? You? Me?



The one who tests is the one who knows. It is not the old man in us that knows although he thinks he does but he is deceived. The answer for us lies at the bottom or in that lowest room. If you never go there the deception, the delusion, will continue.



"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:18

A very clear , balanced and blessed post John... :)
Thanks for sharing that.

The thing is...there are none so deaf as those who cannot/refuse to hear.
What a loss...I find it very sad.
 
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Someone pointed out something that I thought was a really good point. When John the Baptist baptized Jesus Christ, He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. He wasn't infilled with the Spirit, because He is a part of the Trinity.

Instead He told the disciples He would send the Comforter to them...So there is a difference between being empowered by the Spirit and being Spirit-filled.

The disciples, including Judas Iscariot whom was not a believer, did receive a temporary power of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 10th chapter.

Jesus breathed on most of the disciples ( except Thomas ) again in the upper room and said unto them to receive the Holy Spirit.

But the disciples were not saved, yet because that was not the promise from the Father at their salvation when Jesus was with them. That promise can only come when Jesus was no longer present with them and so the born again of the spirit cannot take place until after He had ascended.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Once saved, He promised that they will never thirst again for the Holy Spirit.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

So here is Jesus testifying when that promise will be sent from the Father when He was no longer present with them for that born again of the Spirit.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus is talking about leaving them here soon.... which was before His crucifixion and referring to His ascension above.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. .....16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So that is why all invitations points to the Son in coming to God the Father for anything; and not to the Holy Spirit when it is the Father that sends the Holy Spirit as promised for coming to Jesus.

Again. Jesus clarifies when that promise would be sent by the Father when He was no longer present with them.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Modern day tongues speakers all refer to a supernatural phenomenon that comes over them apart from the calling of the gospel when they were saved. That was when they got that kind of tongue for private use; it wasn;t done by the calling of the gospel, but by the lir of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

I do believe in tongues as a prayer language, though I will continue to study. I do want to be able to explain why I believe how I do and interpret scripture in the right way.

In spite of all the scripture to the contrary of John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions? That even His groanings are silent in John 8:26-27 of the KJV in keeping in line with the truth in John 16:13 in all Bibles?

I am just glad my salvation is not based on this area! Nor do I feel tongues makes someone elite or not elite. That is a bad attitude to have.

Well, tongue speakers in this forum will not come out and say it so plainly and boldly as I am taking it to mean by their testimonies in any post by itself, but they DO hope that non tongue speaking believers in Christ may also know the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is when the tongue speakers are actually deferring from the testimony we are all supposed to share in 1 Corinthians 12:13, and without clarification like that WITHIN that post, new believers or babes in Christ will think because they do not speak in tongues, then they must not have the Holy Spirit yet, and start thinking they are not saved yet.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Why? Because of this verse below.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So they worry, and fear and want to make sure they are saved and so they seek after the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign of tongues.

That is how they can come off as elite when they testify their wish for others to know the baptism of the Holy Ghost within the context of using tongues for private use. They say they have something not every believer has by wishing that baptism of the Holy Ghost on others. The innuendo is there for believers wondering if they had ever received the baptism of Holy Spirit or not at the calling of the gospel when they had believed in Him as promised.

When a few of them in two other threads, refer to Acts 8th chapter for proof that not all believers receive the Holy Spirit when they believe, but they were arguing for how a believer can receive a baptism of the Holy Ghost apart from salvation. They were the ones painting themselves in a corner when it is written that Peter and John had to come down BECAUSE the Holy Spirit had not fallen on any of them yet but were just water baptized in His name. Explaining Acts 8th chapter to them was an epic failure just as explaining 1 Corinthians 14th chapter was. And so when I had asked if they are saying that believers need to seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by that sign of tongue to know they are saved, they saw me as manipulative in seeing where I was going with this, when in actuality, they were the ones painting themselves in the corner by referring to Acts 8.

If you want to read what Acts 8 is all about... there is a thread I had started in Bible Study forum... at the link below.

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/why-the-delay-in-acts-8-5-24-to-be-saved.23645/

You can read Acts 8th chapter for yourself at Bible Gateway... at the link below.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8&version=KJV
 
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You still responded in places to my words without understanding or an interest as expressed by questions. Rather you simply criticized according to your own preconceived notions. I don't blame you for that. We are all likely to be that way in a measure until and if we have overcome that within ourselves as well. My point is that you do not want a discussion. You want to be the lecturer answering only questions fitted to your lecture rather than any that might even apparently seek to undermine its foundation.

So you say, brother, and still without clarifying what you meant to prove I was applying your words wrong in your quotes. You can't clarify it because that would lead you to speak against what you are saying. That pretty much you stopping the progress of the discussion, not me.

You are the one that wants me to stop speaking against what you are saying and stop judging what you are saying so that makes you being the lecturer does it not? How is that for asking a question?
 

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A very clear , balanced and blessed post John... :)
Thanks for sharing that.

The thing is...there are none so deaf as those who cannot/refuse to hear.
What a loss...I find it very sad.

Dear sister,

You need to post in large print for brother amadeus to be able to concentrate to read better. He seems to have been able to read your post to like it, but he has posted that it is better for him to read in large print when replying to him. That is why he is printing in large print in his posts.

But do whatever you want. I can't stop you. Just an FYI as all posts generally are. Only God can cause the increase.
 
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So you say, brother, and still without clarifying what you meant to prove I was applying your words wrong in your quotes. You can't clarify it because that would lead you to speak against what you are saying. That pretty much you stopping the progress of the discussion, not me.
You are presuming that I spoke about what I do believe. I left much out on purpose saying little. It is different than your notions. You say I stopped the discussion. I say that there never was a discussion as I understand the word. Neither was it a debate as no goal or guidelines were set or followed. The truth when and if it is found does not come through discussion or debate unless God is in it.

You are the one that wants me to stop speaking against what you are saying and stop judging what you are saying so that makes you being the lecturer does it not? How is that for asking a question?
I may be a lecturer in a sense, anyone who speaks at all is, but I am not lecturing on the details of the essence of what I believe. To do so for your benefit would be no benefit since you have already made it clear what your reaction would be for anything I said if it failed to fit your understanding and beliefs. This is why I see it as no discussion.
 
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You are presuming that I spoke about what I do believe. I left much out on purpose saying little.


You kind of left yourself wide open for any one to suspect you of deception. I say that because it seems you want believers to be open to what you are saying about the Holy Spirit so that when a supernatural encounter does occur apart from salvation, that will take care of the rest, in spite of the apostle's John's warning not to believe every spirit but test them.

By getting them to be open to the idea, you are basically hoping that a supernatural encounter will convince the wonderer that one can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation and thus believing every spirit that comes over them after that as being the Holy Spirit too.

I may be a lecturer in a sense, anyone who speaks at all if, but I am not lecturing on the details of the essence of what I believe.

Not when you are counting on an extra supernatural phenomenon to do the essence of those details, am I right?

Just like you leave out for the readers in how to be able to discern evil spirits from the Holy Spirit too. That, brother, is not love nor caring for the body of Christ. Just saying....
 

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Dear sister,

You need to post in large print for brother amadeus to be able to concentrate to read better. He seems to have been able to read your post to like it, but he has posted that it is better for him to read in large print when replying to him. That is why he is printing in large print in his posts.

But do whatever you want. I can't stop you. Just an FYI as all posts generally are. Only God can cause the increase.

THANK YOU...I agree, I mostly forget to do that!! My bad...:oops:
 

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The disciples, including Judas Iscariot whom was not a believer, did receive a temporary power of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 10th chapter.

Jesus breathed on most of the disciples ( except Thomas ) again in the upper room and said unto them to receive the Holy Spirit.


I don't believe there is anything temporary about the Holy Spirit. The disciples were empowered, just as many are today...From what I understand, those "saved" in the Old Testament could do works of God, because they were empowered by the same Spirit. Now this same power indwells in us forever.

Whether someone believes in tongues or not though, I think it is important to realize Spirit-Filled does not mean we receive the Spirit again. You are right. The Holy Spirit abides in us forever. This is Holy Spirit power! But a Christian can be living in the flesh rather then in the Spirit. And this is where I believe being Spirit-filled comes in. When we think upon things of God, we are Spirit-filled and can exercise the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I don't believe there is anything temporary about the Holy Spirit. The disciples were empowered, just as many are today...

Not sure why you are typing in large print. I was only doing that for amadeus's sake. Anyway...

Judas Iscariot was not a believer and yet he had received such empowerment in Matthew 10th chapter and so it was indeed a temporary infilling as all O.T. saints were under the Old Covenant when sin can take away the Holy Spirit in them.

Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

The permanent indwelling Holy Ghost is the born again of the Spirit that happens at our salvation. Jesus told Nicodemus when that born again of the Spirit would happen when believers get saved.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?.......12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So after His crucifixion and after His ascension was when the official born again of the Spirit happens at our salvation, as promised from the Father given by Jesus in John 14th chapter of the prior post.

That means His disciples were saved at Pentecost; and not before.

From what I understand, those "saved" in the Old Testament could do works of God, because they were empowered by the same Spirit. Now this same power indwells in us forever.

The difference is per Psalm 51 that the Holy Spirit can be taken from O.T. saints when they go astray.

Whether someone believes in tongues or not though, I think it is important to realize Spirit-Filled does not mean we receive the Spirit again. You are right. The Holy Spirit abides in us forever. This is Holy Spirit power! But a Christian can be living in the flesh rather then in the Spirit. And this is where I believe being Spirit-filled comes in. When we think upon things of God, we are Spirit-filled and can exercise the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

When you know that the holy Spirit abides in us forever, then you may discern that there can be no receiving the Holy Spirit again, and yet that is how many modern tongue speakers testify to of in how they got that tongue for private use. For me to speak against that other phenomenon as not the Holy Spirit, I have to also speak against that kind of tongue gained by that other phenomenon.

 
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Not sure why you are typing in large print. I was only doing that for amadeus's sake. Anyway...

Judas Iscariot was not a believer and yet he had received such empowerment in Matthew 10th chapter and so it was indeed a temporary infilling as all O.T. saints were under the Old Covenant when sin can take away the Holy Spirit in them.

Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

The permanent indwelling Holy Ghost is the born again of the Spirit that happens at our salvation. Jesus told Nicodemus when that born again of the Spirit would happen when believers get saved.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?.......12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So after His crucifixion and after His ascension was when the official born again of the Spirit happens at our salvation, as promised from the Father given by Jesus in John 14th chapter of the prior post.

That means His disciples were saved at Pentecost; and not before.



The difference is per Psalm 51 that the Holy Spirit can be taken from O.T. saints when they go astray.



When you know that the holy Spirit abides in us forever, then you may discern that there can be no receiving the Holy Spirit again, and yet that is how many modern tongue speakers testify to of in how they got that tongue for private use. For me to speak against that other phenomenon as not the Holy Spirit, I have to also speak against that kind of tongue gained by that other phenomenon.

(I was just doing large print so Amadeus could read along too. It is sort of annoying though since I read everything on my phone. It is the only place I have internet apart from going to the library :D).

I don't think believers were even infilled in the O.T. They were being used by the Spirit. I think there is a difference. Because Jesus wouldn't have been infilled with the Spirit as part of the Trinity. He is already three in one. And God has used both believers and unbelievers. I don't believe Judas had to be saved to be used by the Spirit. In Revelation many will even stand before God unsaved that did a lot of things in Christ's name. But they will be unsaved, because the Holy Spirit does not abide in them. They never accepted Jesus Christ and therefore never received the Holy Spirit to indwell in them...

I also think that sin can't do anything to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Omnipotent. This is another reason I believe there is a difference between Christians being Empowered by the Spirit and Spirit filled. Because even today, how many saved Christians have the power of the Holy Spirit abiding in them and don't live a Spirit-filled life? They live by things of the flesh instead.

I think it is important to understand the difference between the power of the Holy Spirit living in us, and being Spirit-filled (us living in the spirit). Because this is where Tongues come in.

When I was in a Charismatic community of Believers, I never heard of claims of needing the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to be saved or that those who spoke in tongues were elite in any way. I think people do believe this way, but not all believe this way.

I do think it is an area that new believers should wait to study until they are steadfast in faith and their beliefs. Like where my salvation comes from is not up for debate. It is based in Jesus Christ alone. But it is like anything else that can bring confusion to a new believer, like predestination for example. I didn't hear that term until college...

 
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In spite of all the scripture to the contrary of John 16:13 in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions? That even His groanings are silent in John 8:26-27 of the KJV in keeping in line with the truth in John 16:13 in all Bibles

But even Jesus Christ spoke only of the Father....


John 8:28 Jesus therefore said, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
 
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You kind of left yourself wide open for any one to suspect you of deception. I say that because it seems you want believers to be open to what you are saying about the Holy Spirit so that when a supernatural encounter does occur apart from salvation, that will take care of the rest, in spite of the apostle's John's warning not to believe every spirit but test them.
Do you really think I sit back and worry about being seen as a deceiver? LOL, do you think this conversation is a contest of some kind? For me it is not. I would not be in it if I did not really care.
Even in this are you expecting me to line my response up with your way of thinking? It seems like it to me.
By getting them to be open to the idea, you are basically hoping that a supernatural encounter will convince the wonderer that one can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation and thus believing every spirit that comes over them after that as being the Holy Spirit too.
What's with this "getting them open," "basically hoping" stuff? I "work" if that's an acceptable word, to pay attention to God and then as He leads me, so go I. I have not yet overcome in every point, so at times I miss, but I never aim or plan my own direction in such things.


Not when you are counting on an extra supernatural phenomenon to do the essence of those details, am I right?
Help us dear Lord!
Just like you leave out for the readers in how to be able to discern evil spirits from the Holy Spirit too. That, brother, is not love nor caring for the body of Christ. Just saying....
If you find a flaw in me, will that discredit everything that I have said and done on this thread and this forum or does God have a say in it as well?

It is not always my job to help every person on every thread on every forum to which I belong, but sometimes God lets me know that I do need to get involved in a particular situation. Already on this thread I spoke of that, but you apparently did not read it or misunderstood what you did read or you would not have brought up such a subject in such a harshly critical way. You were "just saying", but how much of God was in your words and how much were simply your own idle words?

Are you so afraid to admit even the possibility of being wrong that you need to attack without cause.. hoping to find a sensitive spot?

I do have a calling from God and I work hard at it and sometimes I stumble...but sometimes I work right. Let God be the judge.


"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Rom 8:28
 
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Amadeus,
He is too far beneath a man like you to even bother stooping to try to help him.. But, I know you are God's man, so of course you still will.
 
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Amadeus,
He is too far beneath a man like you to even bother stooping to try to help him.. But, I know you are God's man, so of course you still will.
Thanks for that Willie. We all need encouragement, believe me. Sometimes I get tired, as Paul called it, "weary in well doing", but when I am doing right hopefully I will reach out to the Lord so that He will take hold of my hand. I don't want to sink beneath the waves.