Have you been baptised correctly?

[amadeus]

So, if you have the Holy Ghost then getting baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ as the Scripture says, should be a real honor.

Do you not believe the Bible? Then why not do it?

Do you only read and pay attention to what pleases you and agrees with you? Even if you were right in every point, a lack of charity would leave you with nothing in the eyes of God. You cannot twist arms to convince people of truth. Only God gives the increase.

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing." I Cor 13:1-3

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7

 

[Triumph1300]

Angry because people don't agree with me, I couldn't care less. But when we are finished, for once in your life you would have heard the truth. What you do with it afterwards is up to you.

Maybe you should just go away and preach your sermons elsewhere.
You are not getting through to anybody with such an arrogant and angry attitude.

 

[Triumph1300]

Does Scripture say that?

No it's not in scripture.
But your church preaches it as if it is in scripture.

 

[amadeus]

I'm giving you people the chance to look at God's Word and test your own experience with it. I challange you, take a look, see if it is not right. Or prove me wrong. Scripturaly.

You have obviously not read with understanding all that we have posted which did include scriptures. You want us to follow what you say is the truth but you are unwilling to even seriously consider what we have already said. The proof does not come from logically analyzing the scriptures, but rather from having the Holy Ghost in us bring the scriptures to Life. I could support my statement with scriptures, but you have already made up your mind without really consulting the Lord about it... so I will leave it to you.

 

[amadeus]

In Afrikaans it's "Here Jesus Christus", in English it is the "Lord Jesus Christ", in latin or Hebrew it might be pronounced different but He is known in every tongue. So what's your point?

You simply ran right over the top of it.

 

[Small Fish]

@Small Fish

I am sorry for you brother.
you joined this Site just a couple of days ago.
And right from the get-go you stated throwing legalism about ... condemning me for going into bars and pubs with the gospel of the Good News. In many bars we went into we bumped into the Salvation Army going in or coming out... Yet somehow you turned this into a disgusting thing that my husband and I were doing...

This was all in your FIRST FEW POSTS on this Site.
Not a very good start.
As @Triumph1300 said in a post here.
You say things about @Willie T without out even knowing him. Or reading all his many posts.
You say things about me, without knowing my heart or reading any of my previous posts.

Who but an ignorant man walks into a house knowing no one or what they stand for ...and starts condemning the people who are in that house.

He makes himself look foolish and very rude indeed .

So from where some of us sit...it looks like you only joined this Site looking for trouble and wanting to "sort people out".
Shame on you.

Why not take a deep breath and try starting again , drop all the condemning ...and try to find out "where people are"..before jumping to conclusions about everyone.

Lady, there was once a mother who had a toddler who for some reason was not able to react to the normal things a kid his age should react too. She took him to the doctor but the doctor said he was getting better. She, the mother of the child obviously knew better. So what she did, she took this little boy to the 5 cent store and sat him down in the isle. She grabbed a bunch of toys and started to shake it in front of him but nothing. The boy just stared up into space. Then she started getting frantic and beside herself. When the people came running in to see what the noise is that is going on, she explained to them her story.

Now this is where Christianity stands today, does not matter what you do, what Scripture says, even if you stand on your head and preach it to them, they cannot see it. They are lost. God is here and you have missed Him.

People still think they are getting save but they are lost!

They have rejected Christ the Word. And I've just proved it. Their own ideas is more important to them than the Word of God.

I wonder how many, if any will still see the light.

I'm not angry, just desperate to get the people to see where they're at.

To no avail.

 

[amadeus]

Exactly! So why then ignore that Scripture?

Whose heart are you able to read clearly?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Whose lead are we following?

 

[amadeus]

Until a person learns to follow the Holy Ghost, it does not matter how much scripture he knows. The answer is in surrender to God not in arm twisting others with words to convince them that we are right and they are wrong.
Give God the glory!

 

[Triumph1300]

Lady, there was once a mother who had a toddler who for some reason was not able to react to the normal things a kid his age should react too. She took him to the doctor but the doctor said he was getting better. She, the mother of the child obviously knew better. So what she did, she took this little boy to the 5 cent store and sat him down in the isle. She grabbed a bunch of toys and started to shake it in front of him but nothing. The boy just stared up into space. Then she started getting frantic and beside herself. When the people came running in to see what the noise is that is going on, she explained to them her story.

Now this is where Christianity stands today, does not matter what you do, what Scripture says, even if you stand on your head and preach it to them, they cannot see it. They are lost. God is here and you have missed Him.

People still think they are getting save but they are lost!

They have rejected Christ the Word. And I've just proved it. Their own ideas is more important to them than the Word of God.

I wonder how many, if any will still see the light.

I'm not angry, just desperate to get the people to see where they're at.

To no avail.

Yup.
You are the only one who is saved.
We'r all doomed.

Good bye.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

This is what Scripure says...

Acts 2:37-38
38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Have you come through the door or the window? Have you come in obedience to God's provided way or have you been tought wrong by some denomination?

This command is so simple yet I find so few are willing to subject themselves to this truth. This is Scripture! If you have not...

Repent! And be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ

What about this reference?

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

The new Gentile believers had received the promise of the Holy Ghost before water baptism.

So is there a correct way to be water baptized? How important was it to Paul in regards to preaching the gospel?

1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.........21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

So when I read a verse like this below:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Mark is referring to the baptism of the Holy Ghost that is promised to all those that believe in Him to be saved.

and this verse below..

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Not water baptism when water is used in putting away the filth of the flesh, but the baptism of the Holy Ghost as that promise comes at our salvation by the answer of a good conscience towards God by believing in Jesus Christ and in His resurrection.

So there is no separate baptism of the Holy Ghost apart from the born again of the Spirit moment when a believer is saved.

Water baptism is just an ordinance for believers to follow Christ as His disciple, but it is not a requirement for salvation and therefore no correct way to be water baptized.

 

[Enoch111]

God Himself uses so many different names for Himself to reveal His nature to us. As He Himself said... I AM.

Correct. It is significant that in Matthew 28:19 (which is indisputably Scripture) "name" is singular while the plurality of the Godhead is stated. IOW Jesus could have just as well said "in the name of GOD", but He wanted all the naysayers to clearly understand that God is indeed One (hence "name") but at the same time He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" (the triune Godhead).

The anti-Trinitarians hate this Scripture, and attempt to either dismiss it, or claim that it is spurious. How very convenient. Whatever does not suit you does not belong in the Bible!

To be baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, means that it is by -- and through -- God's authority that a sinner is being accepted as a saint, and is commanded to be baptized without delay.

So Christ connects His absolute authority in Heaven and on earth (delegated to Him by the Father, hence "is given") to (1) the necessity of baptism for every believer, (2) the necessity of immediate baptism, (3) the necessity of making disciples of those who have been baptized, and (4) the necessity of preaching the Gospel to every nation and to every creature (meaning that no one is excluded from God's grace).

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power [Gk exousia = authority with power] is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[Naomi25]

Um, can anyone explain to me what this "Oneness" is that people keep talking about? It's not something I've bumped up against before, and I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of the conversation! Thanks!

 

[Willie T]

Um, can anyone explain to me what this "Oneness" is that people keep talking about? It's not something I've bumped up against before, and I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of the conversation! Thanks!

It is a strict section of the Pentecostal belief... mainly in some Assemblies of God Churches.

 

[Helen]

Um, can anyone explain to me what this "Oneness" is that people keep talking about? It's not something I've bumped up against before, and I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of the conversation! Thanks!

@amadeus was in the Oneness movement for 11 years ...he mentions in in his post #45 ( I think it is)
The people who tried to get us into it told us that the power is in the Name..Jesus.
The Fathers name is Jesus, the Son's name is Jesus, and the Holy Spirits name is Jesus...
They also told us that if we were baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit it was all wrong...and we sound be baptised in the name of Jesus only.

I really haven't a clue, as you can see...maybe Amadeus can straighten me out on all this if I am wrong.

 

[Willie T]

This might get you a start (if it works)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...s-of-god.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0DkDc_9-YRYfeNw9LN2aEX

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Um, can anyone explain to me what this "Oneness" is that people keep talking about? It's not something I've bumped up against before, and I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of the conversation! Thanks!

Just don't let any white rabbit lead you down the rabbit hole. Oneness is a cult FYI

Only the name of the Son is Jesus Christ as He is the Christ.

The rationality for calling the Father is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is Jesus is how they use that to switch the focus from the Son to the Holy Spirit as if that is how you relate to Jesus Christ. It is not. The Spirit of Christ in you is still pointing the bride, that's you, to go to the Bridegroom Whom is Jesus Christ.

Believers are not to use the Holy Spirit to relate to God by, because He is not serving us as the Spirit of the bride Godward. The Bridegroom relates to us through the Holy Spirit in us ( John 16:13-15 ), but since the Holy Spirit is being the Spirit of Christ, our response is to the Bridegroom Himself at that throne of grace for it is by the Son we have access to the Father in Heaven as well ( John 14:6 & John 10:1 ). Click on scriptures to see the words.

 

[Triumph1300]

Here's the website:

https://www.upci.org/about/about-the-upci

 

[amadeus]

@Naomi25

It is a strict section of the Pentecostal belief... mainly in some Assemblies of God Churches.

They not associated with the Assemblies of God which are trinitarian. The largest Oneness Jesus Only organization is the UPCI [United Pentecostal Church International] with headquarters in Hazelwood, MO. There are at least two smaller groups with approximately the same beliefs. I belonged to all three during the 11 years I was an active member. The main differences originally was the UPC was white while one of the others was Hispanic and the third was African American. When we belonged to the black church with about 300 in attendance on Sundays, my family was the only white family in the church.

They have two primary differences from trinitarian Pentecostal groups. They baptize only in Jesus name saying the words over the person as he is being dunked in the water taken from Acts 2:38. They believe that the godhead is all in Jesus. The Father is Jesus; the Holy Ghost is Jesus and all of these three are but one. No Trinity. They are manifestations of the one God. It is somewhat more complicated than that but that is the essence of it.

Unlike some tongue talking Pentecostals while I was with them they believed that without speaking in tongues a person could not be saved. That may have changed, but I don't believe it has. I stopped my membership with them when I moved to Oklahoma in 1987.

 

[Willie T]

Correction: I should have stipulated this part more clearly. The AoG moved away from Onness some time ago.
From the web:
However, it was not the Oneness baptismal formula which proved the divisive issue between Oneness advocates and other Pentecostals, but rather their rejection of the Trinity. In the Assemblies of God, the re-baptisms in Jesus' name caused a backlash from many Trinitarians in that organization, who feared the direction that their church might be heading toward. J. Roswell Flower initiated a resolution on the subject, which caused many Oneness baptizers to withdraw from the organization. In October 1916 at the Fourth General Council of the Assemblies of God, the issue finally came to a head. The mostly-Trinitarian leadership, fearing that the new issue of Oneness might overtake their organization, drew up a doctrinal statement affirming the truth of Trinitarian dogma, among other issues. When this Statement of Fundamental Truths was adopted, a third of the fellowship's ministers left to form Oneness fellowships.[75] After this separation, most Oneness believers became relatively isolated from other Pentecostals.[1]

 

[Triumph1300]

Most of the women have long hair.
They are dressed nicely, both sexes, no tight T shirts and shorts in church.
Not all of the churches in this group are very conservative.

One of the fastest growing church groups in North America and elsewhere.