Why Jews were Made, not Born

[Stranger]

Seed of Abraham = Jew = Hebrew = Israel.....

So, again you cite something true but is not relevant to what we were discussing.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Christ has a spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God/Heaven.

Chapter and verse please.

Was the body of Jesus that was resurrected not a physical body?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Which of the twelve tribes of Israel do you belong to?

And do you still insist that the Old Covenant is in force when Christ has brought the New Covenant into existence?

But if not, then kindly refrain from specious arguments.

Outward circumcision is null and void for all Christians.

ROMANS 2
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

What does it matter if I were to belong to one of the 12 tribes or not.

What 'specious argument'?

I already explained that no one in the church is required to be circumcised. That doesn't mean they cannot be circumcised if they want to in order to identify with the Abrahamic Covenant. As long as they are not being circumcised as evidence of being justified as that would be by works.

Again, I already showed you that Paul had Timothy circumcised. What now?

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Chapter and verse please.

Was the body of Jesus that was resurrected not a physical body?

Stranger

Raised a physical body. But became glorified.

“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Philippians 3:21)

 

[Stranger]

Raised a physical body. But became glorified.

“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” (Philippians 3:21)

That is right, a physical body. As ours will be also. Thus the kingdom of God is not just spiritual, but physical also.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

That is right, a physical body. As ours will be also. Thus the kingdom of God is not just spiritual, but physical also.

Stranger

No, flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.

 

[Stranger]

No, flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.

Chapter and verse.

A physical body of flesh and bone can. (Luke 24:39)

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Chapter and verse.

A physical body of flesh and bone can. (Luke 24:39)

Stranger

“Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

 

[Stranger]

“Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

But our resurrected body is not perishable and is physical being flesh and bone.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes I do. Except without sin. Do you disagree that our bodies will be resurrected? Our spirit is already made right and eternal. What is resurrected?

Stranger

Yes, I believe in the resurrection of the body...but glorified. What does that look like, I don’t know. 2 Corinthians 5:17 says we are a new creature. “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

 

[Enoch111]

But our resurrected body is not perishable and is physical being flesh and bone.

More precisely "physical-spiritual". Flesh and bone but also free from the limitations of mortal bodies. Imperishable, immortal, perfected, glorified, glorious, and capable of instantaneous travel from earth to Heaven. If this was not in Scripture, it would be science-fiction.

1 CORINTHIANS 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body...

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly...

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

[Stranger]

Yes, I believe in the resurrection of the body...but glorified. What does that look like, I don’t know. 2 Corinthians 5:17 says we are a new creature. “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Everyone is going to look like themselves only in a glorified body. You will look the same without all the imperfections due to the fall. See (Matt. 17:1-4). Our flesh is just the outer covering wrapped around our soul/spirit.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

More precisely "physical-spiritual". Flesh and bone but also free from the limitations of mortal bodies. Imperishable, immortal, perfected, glorified, glorious, and capable of instantaneous travel from earth to Heaven. If this was not in Scripture, it would be science-fiction.

1 CORINTHIANS 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body...

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly...

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Yes, it is miraculous.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Everyone is going to look like themselves only in a glorified body. You will look the same without all the imperfections due to the fall. See (Matt. 17:1-4). Our flesh is just the outer covering wrapped around our soul/spirit.

Stranger

How did they not recognize Him on the shore then? I’m not saying you are wrong because I don’t know what a new creature belonging to a new creation looks like. I can’t imagine an earth without corruption, hate, deterioration, and loss. Now, there is outward beauty and those that don’t fall in the category of the elite. Those that get stepped on. So if everyone looks the same but as you say ...better would that remain? Wouldn’t the heart (desire) of mankind have to change for the inward? There is outward beauty then there is inward beauty. It is just an opinion but the inward beauty is what will be evident, I think. Christ.

Isaiah 53:2-3
[2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

 

[Dave L]

But our resurrected body is not perishable and is physical being flesh and bone.

Stranger

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44)

 

[Stranger]

How did they not recognize Him on the shore then? I’m not saying you are wrong because I don’t know what a new creature belonging to a new creation looks like. I can’t imagine an earth without corruption, hate, deterioration, and loss. Now, there is outward beauty and those that don’t fall in the category of the elite. Those that get stepped on. So if everyone looks the same but as you say ...better would that remain? Wouldn’t the heart (desire) of mankind have to change for the inward? There is outward beauty then there is inward beauty. It is just an opinion but the inward beauty is what will be evident, I think. Christ.

Isaiah 53:2-3
[2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Jesus at times after the resurrection caused the disciples not to recognize Him until He was ready for them to. (Luke 24:16) It had more to do with their sight than Jesus appearance.

Indeed I can't imagine an earth without the affects of sin and the curse either. But it will be one day. Do you believe the earth will no longer be physical material? Was the earth physical material when God created it? How could Adam be created from the dust of the ground if the earth was not material and physical.

With a new glorified body, the outward and inward will be the same. No reason for you to not look like you. We must get away from this platonic Christianity that speaks of material and physical as evil and spirit as good. That just isn't true.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44)

That spiritual body will be flesh and bone. Just like Jesus Christ. Do you agree?

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

. Do you believe the earth will no longer be physical material? Was the earth physical material when God created it? How could Adam be created from the dust of the ground if the earth was not material and physical.

Maybe the earth will be glorified as His dwelling. Purified. It (the earth) passes away to be also resurrected in the newness of His power. As you said: imperfections healed. The dust Adam was made of...wasn’t it dust before the ground was cursed? Dust that did not work(labour) against man but was fruitful and yielded great increase. Again, have no idea what this looks like.


Maybe that is what glorified flesh(body) looks like: a body that works for us: fruitfiul and yielding great increase...instead of against us.

 

[Stranger]

Maybe the earth will be glorified as His dwelling. Purified. It (the earth) passes away to be also resurrected in the newness of His power. As you said: imperfections healed. The dust Adam was made of...wasn’t it dust before the ground was cursed? Dust that did not work(labour) against man but was fruitful and yielded great increase. Again, have no idea what this looks like.


Maybe that is what glorified flesh(body) looks like: a body that works for us: fruitfiul and yielding great increase...instead of against us.

The important thing is that our bodies will be flesh. We will be spirit, and flesh and bone. Physical and spiritual combined. The curse will be removed from the earth. Later a new heaven and new earth will be created. The new earth will be just as material as the former was.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

That spiritual body will be flesh and bone. Just like Jesus Christ. Do you agree?

Stranger

Flesh cannot enter the kingdom.