Three Days and Three Nights

[Jay Ross]

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"The third day", Abib 16, consisted of the third "daylight of the Sabbath in" which, when "mid-afternoon, there came a great earthquake", and Jesus rose from the dead, and before it, the third darkness or night of "the Sabbath the women began to rest".

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There was an earthquake when Jesus died on the cross, however, there was also great turmoil in and around the city of Jerusalem when He died, just as there was great turmoil on the Sunday morning when the Angel descended from heaven to roll back the stone to open up the tomb to reveal that Christ had indeed risen.

G:4578 is best understood to have the meaning of commotion, i.e. turmoil.

The same Greek word, is found in the following passages: - Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18

However G:4579 is best understood as the rocks shaking, i.e. an earthquake.

Matthew 27:51-54: - 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth (G:1093) shook, (i.e. by definition, an earthquake), (G:4579) and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the turmoil (G:4578) and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, "Truly, this was the Son of God!"

And also: -

Matthew 28:1-4: - 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was great turmoil (G:4578); for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook (G:4579) for fear of him, and became like dead men.

It is interesting that γῆ, G:1093, in Matthew 27:51 occurs 38 times in the New Testament, and it has been translated as, ground, earth, land, country, soil . . . . , so does that mean that the whole earth shook, i.e. that all of creation shook, or was the shaking of the earth simply confined to the area in and around the Temple/Jerusalem. I am confident that we do not know the answer to this question and will not be able to resolve it the coming of Eternity. How the earth shook will remain a mystery that cause the curtain in the temple to be torn from top to bottom and the tombs to be opened.

It seems to me that your understanding of what the scriptures have stated is very fluid.

Shalom

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

There was an earthquake when Jesus died on the cross, however, there was also great turmoil in and around the city of Jerusalem when He died, just as there was great turmoil on the Sunday morning when the Angel descended from heaven to roll back the stone to open up the tomb to reveal that Christ had indeed risen.

G:4578 is best understood to have the meaning of commotion, i.e. turmoil.

The same Greek word, is found in the following passages: - Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18

However G:4579 is best understood as the rocks shaking, i.e. an earthquake.

Matthew 27:51-54: - 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth (G:1093) shook, (i.e. by definition, an earthquake), (G:4579) and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the turmoil (G:4578) and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, "Truly, this was the Son of God!"

And also: -

Matthew 28:1-4: - 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was great turmoil (G:4578); for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook (G:4579) for fear of him, and became like dead men.

It is interesting that γῆ, G:1093, in Matthew 27:51 occurs 38 times in the New Testament, and it has been translated as, ground, earth, land, country, soil . . . . , so does that mean that the whole earth shook, i.e. that all of creation shook, or was the shaking of the earth simply confined to the area in and around the Temple/Jerusalem. I am confident that we do not know the answer to this question and will not be able to resolve it the coming of Eternity. How the earth shook will remain a mystery that cause the curtain in the temple to be torn from top to bottom and the tombs to be opened.

It seems to me that your understanding of what the scriptures have stated is very fluid.

Matthew 27:51c, 'heh geh eseistheh' - "the earth shook" not described with "great" - 'megas'

Matthew 28:2b, 'seismos egeneto megas' - 'came / occurred great earthquake' described with "great" - 'megas'

Your show equals Colossians 2:18, meaningless, valueless, nonsensical, vacuous pompousness.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No, the Lunar Sabbath is false doctrine. The firstfruits was to happen AFTER the Sabbath, as Leviticus 23 tells us. That would be the first sabbath day, of the feast of unleavened bread. Since it was a high sabbath, being a literal weekly sabbath, and the feat of unleavened bread, logically, the firstfruits harvest comes after. It is supposed to happen that way.

The "First Sheaf of firstfruits" was to happen "after the sabbath" which could fall on ANY day of the week, '~as Leviticus 23 tells us~' in verses 11,15,16. That would be "the sabbath" OF THE PASSOVER of the feast of unleavened bread, '~the first~' day of the Feast. It is called a 'high sabbath' or "That Day great day of sabbath" in the NT in John 19:31 for the first and only time including the OT.

"Since" or "Because That Day was high sabbath of" the passover, "being (a literal weekly day) the Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath" the Sixth Day of the week and '~feast of unleavened bread~', '~logically~', "ye shall wave the First Sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest", "after", "on the sabbath That Day great day of sabbath".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Since the Passover had to fall on the Wednesday the 14th of Nisan. as it did that year.

By what or whose authority do you claim this falsity, a falsity that cannot even reconcile with your own statement,

...because ... they do not realise there where 2 Sabbaths during the time of the Messiah's death and reasurection. The normal Weekly Sabbath and the feast of Unleavened Bread. Also a lot of people do not understand that the Biblical Day starts at Sunset and ends at sunset. Knowing these two things opens up a lot of understanding and removes the supposed contradictions in the accounts.

...?

'~The normal Weekly Sabbath~' surely followed directly immediately and consecutively on "the Preparation ... because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath ... which (was) the Fore-Sabbath" '~and the feast of Unleavened Bread~' ...!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

All this raving madness here over what day it was that our Lord Jesus was crucified, just BECAUSE some here would rather follow men's doctrines about it instead of heeding what God's Word reveals about it. A literal... 3 days and 3 nights is what Scripture states. That is how long Christ's body was in the tomb before being raised by The Father. And it MUST be reckoned using the Hebrew calendar reckoning of the day, not the later Gregorian calendar instituted in the 16th century A.D. that we still use today.

No, look, exactly these words of YOURS, '~Christ's body was in the tomb ... a literal... 3 days and 3 nights That is how long Christ's body was in the tomb before being raised~', is what here in YOUR post is NOT '~what Scripture states~', but is what is '~raving madness here~'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The John 19 chapter is where we must start...


John 19:30-31
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

John 19:40-42
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
(KJV)

They rushed to bury Jesus' body because it was the preparation day, and at sundown was a 'high day' (a high sabbath) because of the passover requirement per the OT. So in that week there were TWO sabbaths, the high sabbath per the passover timing, and then later the regular weekly sabbath. Christ's body was buried just prior to the high sabbath starting at sunset.

So all one need do then is to mark the day He arose, which we are shown was the morning of the first day of the week, which was Sunday morning. And then one MUST count back 3 days and 3 nights.

The result will be that He was crucified on a Wednsday and buried just prior to Thursday at sunset, because Thursday began at SUNSET per the Hebrew reckoning.

The idea that Christ was crucified on a Friday and rose on Sunday morning will NOT fit the specific period of 3 days and 3 nights. Instead that was a later Catholic tradition based on the much later Gregorian calendar pope Gregory instituted in the 16th century A.D.

Why do you leave off with verse 31, leap over verses 39 and 40, and proceed with verse 41?

Because you WILL NOT take cognisance of verses 39 and 40 because they NULLIFY AND PROVE YOUR THEORY THE LIE IT IS,
and so that you can jump from “42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand”
to your own fabricated conclusion, ‘~They rushed to bury Jesus' body because it was the preparation day~’ according to you ENDING AND NOT STARTING, but according to verses 38,39 STARTING AND NOT ENDING.

 

[Jay Ross]

Matthew 27:51c, 'heh geh eseistheh' - "the earth shook" not described with "great" - 'megas'

Matthew 28:2b, 'seismos egeneto megas' - 'came / occurred great earthquake' described with "great" - 'megas'

Your show equals Colossians 2:18, meaningless, valueless, nonsensical, vacuous pompousness.

Perhaps if you took the time to read what I had provided a little more closely, you would understand that what I had posted is indeed correct. The earth shook. Was that the whole earth, just the land above the oceans, or just the area immediately surrounding the temple?

As I suggested "seismos" is better understood to have the meaning of "turmoil" rather than "earthquake." When you use turmoil, the passage in Matthew 28:2 makes more sense as well as every other occurrence of G:4578.

Which means that the 7th Bowl judgement was referencing WW1 and the events around WW1. Know what I mean.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So all one need do then is to mark the day He arose, which we are shown was the morning of the first day of the week, which was Sunday morning.

Again, according to YOU, but against ALL Scripture as against John 19 the whole in particular.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Perhaps if you took the time to read what I had provided a little more closely, you would understand that what I had posted is indeed correct. The earth shook. Was that the whole earth, just the land above the oceans, or just the area immediately surrounding the temple?

As I suggested "seismos" is better understood to have the meaning of "turmoil" rather than "earthquake." When you use turmoil, the passage in Matthew 28:2 makes more sense as well as every other occurrence of G:4578.

Which means that the 7th Bowl judgement was referencing WW1 and the events around WW1. Know what I mean.

What does THIS have to do with "three days and three nights"?!

 

[Jay Ross]

What does THIS have to do with "three days and three nights"?!

You are right, but it has to do with our understanding of the scriptures. Have an error in one portion and carry that same error into another area of scripture, then we will all be looking for the wrong thing on which to hang our hat on. Know what I mean? This debate/discussion has been all about peoples' misunderstanding of what was said/written in the Gospel accounts of the crucifixion. That includes both of our respective misunderstandings when it comes to the crux of the matter.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

After the darkness Matt 27:45, there would have been three hours till sunset, when He was taken down from the cross and buried.

Show this in any Gospel!
Instead you will find in the Gospels three hours till sunset in which "everyone LEFT and went home", and were "scattered" and "forsook" Jesus -- three hours before sunset after which sunset "EVENING HAD COME" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 "and AFTER these things" which "the Jews" did and had done to the body of Jesus STILL CRUCIFIED ON the cross, "Joseph came...and asked Pilate for the body" John 19:38 and only after Pilate "allowed" it, the body was "taken down" from the cross and "delivered" to Joseph, who, BEFORE he buried it, "treated and prepared the body to the Law of Custom of the Jews to bury" (the Torah in Exodus 12-14 specifically).
Not during the '~three hours till sunset~', but after sunset after which "evening had come" or "was come", and the body '~was taken down from the cross~' to, 12 hours later, on "That Day the Preparation the Sabbath nearing mid-afternoon", had been "interred" / "burried" / "entombed" after Joseph had "rolled a stone in the tomb's entrance".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You are right, but it has to do with our understanding of the scriptures. Have an error in one portion and carry that same error into another area of scripture, then we will all be looking for the wrong thing on which to hang our hat on. Know what I mean? This debate/discussion has been all about peoples' misunderstanding of what was said/written in the Gospel accounts of the crucifixion. That includes both of our respective misunderstandings when it comes to the crux of the matter.

Ignore

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It comes to something over 60 hours, but it covers both three 'days' and three 'nights', and He rose on the third 'day' if Thursday is day zero.

Zero comment on zero...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We have to pick up the 3 days and 3 nights timing back from when He rose, on Sunday morning before dawn, the first day of the week (Matt.28:1; Mark 16:2; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; John 20:19).

Your GROUNDLESS and PRESUMPTUOUS, false and Scriptureless, contrary every one of these 'Scriptures' assumption, '~when He rose, on Sunday morning before dawn~'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sunday, the first day of the week, Christ rose, sometime before dawn, for the sepulchre was found empty "when it was yet dark" (John 20:1-2).

Incorrect deliberately misleading UNTRUTH!
Redden my face with shame, whiten it with fright, besmirch it yellow with egg yolk of embarrassment, by only quoting verbatim your words, '~the sepulchre was found empty "when it was yet dark" (John 20:1-2).~'

Make your day! Now is your chance!

 

[Jay Ross]

Ignore

Yes that is good advise concerning you.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Yes that is good advise concerning you.

Indeed! If you see me coming, better step aside . . . !

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
Heart and Bone of the Gospel
Hart en Been van die Evangelie
http://www.biblestudents.co.za

 

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