I just now read this. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.@"ByGrace" @amadeus Triumph's wife passed....on Photo thread
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
I just now read this. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.@"ByGrace" @amadeus Triumph's wife passed....on Photo thread
Just the openness without bitterness or anger is good. Does God expect more from us? If He does, let us open up to Him and let Him do the necessary work within...As you know I don't change where I stand.
In most things we agree...in a few things likes OSAS and the restoration of all things...we differ...and on this issue too.
This Helen is the nature of the beast which the old man of us is. It is this beast within us along with all of our beasts that wisdom when allowed to work will kill:But what I can never understand ...why do the legalists ( that are so sure that they understand and interpret scripture perfectly)
...get so up-in-the-air and angry about the disagreements??
I find the anger and name calling perplexing.
It is a mystery only to those that do these things without understanding that it is themselves they hurt perhaps the worst in the end of it. Getting rid of such attitudes [spirits, beasts] is moving toward God. Even if our doctrine for which we argue is basically good, that which is good is lost when such a spirit or beast takes control. We need to have God's wisdom to kill these beasts.Why do they feel that it is " life or death" and why do they so often say that those who don't believe just like they believe are "not real christians"...or wont be saved.
Heretic is a word which get thrown around far too easily.
I personally believe that the vicious legalists are far more in jeopardy than the lovers are...
I find it all a mystery.
That is so sad. I feel sorry for you. You have come so far in your walk as the Spirit led you, but now you won't walk any further? You believe you have all the truth now and cannot receive anything further from the Holy Spirit?
Then what I wrote applies to you concerning that "beach". It is still wrong to have any "beach". That does not give the Holy Spirit room to work and lead us into all truth.My "beach" is the love and integrity of God's nature. On that I will stick...on the rest I hold lightly .
Then what I wrote applies to you concerning that "beach". It is still wrong to have any "beach". That does not give the Holy Spirit room to work and lead us into all truth.
Are we to forget scriptures that don't seem to fit our present beliefs? Putting something on the shelf for a while because we do not understand it at the moment is one thing, but to throw it out completely is hardly a good solution. If your conclusion is correct that the Baptist was and is in the kingdom why not explain it with scriptures? I would not mind hearing such an explanation.
those who are righteous in their own eyes often feel pity i guessThat is so sad. I feel sorry for you.
I assume, by this, that you think I am being self-righteous? My statement to @ByGrace had nothing to do with doctrine or whether I am right or wrong. It has to do with the fact that we should never stop learning because we think we already know the truth.those who are righteous in their own eyes often feel pity i guess
I assume, by this, that you think I am being self-righteous? My statement to @ByGrace had nothing to do with doctrine or whether I am right or wrong. It has to do with the fact that we should never stop learning because we think we already no the truth.
I would add that John 3:5 - "Yeshua answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" and 1 Corinthians 15:50 - "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption", both show that a resurrection from the dead must take place before we can literally enter the Kingdom. When Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28 were spoken about John, he was still alive.Are we to forget scriptures that don't seem to fit our present beliefs? Putting something on the shelf for a while because we do not understand it at the moment is one thing, but to throw it out completely is hardly a good solution. If your conclusion is correct that the Baptist was and is in the kingdom why not explain it with scriptures? I would not mind hearing such an explanation.
I would add that John 3:5 - "Yeshua answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" and 1 Corinthians 15:50 - "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption", both show that a resurrection from the dead must take place before we can literally enter the Kingdom. When Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28 were spoken about John, he was still alive.
This whole discussion started when someone quoted Mathew 11:11 - "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." It was then misinterpreted to mean that since John was the greatest MAN to ever live (rather than the greatest PROPHET to ever live - Luke 7:28) and since Yeshua is obviously greater than John, then Yeshua must not be a man, but God.
I see you did not address the verses I quoted. Just more personal attacks.The kingdom of God does not come with observation. Jesus said it was in our midst. The spiritual world of Zion is here...in the Spirit. One day this kingdom will become the reality for everyone. But at this time we are to seek for it. That doesn't mean we are to seek for death.
So you're overly physical interpretations reveal that you are stuck in the carnal world. All your doctrines deal with the physical. For you, if you can't see it with carnal eyes....you don't know it.
But he who is born again can see it. It is revealed by spiritual faculties.
The carnal man doesn't understand these things...being limited to what is natural for all men. Spiritual things are foolishness to him.
Are we to forget scriptures that don't seem to fit our present beliefs? Putting something on the shelf for a while because we do not understand it at the moment is one thing, but to throw it out completely is hardly a good solution. If your conclusion is correct that the Baptist was and is in the kingdom why not explain it with scriptures? I would not mind hearing such an explanation.
so, On Grace, and The Refining Fire issue, I stand.
Not attacks...attempts to get you to wake up and open your eyes.I see you did not address the verses I quoted. Just more personal attacks.
I didn't realize I did not reply to this. There are two "Lords" that are over believers, but only one of them is "the Lord God" which in Hebrew would be either "YHWH Elohim" or "Adonai YHWH". "YHWH Elohim" is Yeshua's Father. "YHWH Elohim" is the ultimate "Lord" who made Yeshua to be our "Lord" (Acts 2:36).Something that has not been answered except with an accusation against me that I am narrow-minded (PRAISE THE LORD!) is that you should answer the question, "who is the Lord?" is it the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21) or Jesus (1 Corinthians 12:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6) or both (Mark 12:29 (kjv) and previous verses)? And if it is both, how can it be that there is only one Lord God (Ephesians 4:5, Jude 1:4 (kjv))?
Actually, there is one Lord, period (Ephesians 4:5)...not two! And He is God (Mark 12:29 (kjv)). Therefore if Jesus is the Lord (and He is...1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), then He is God.I didn't realize I did not reply to this. There are two "Lords" that are over believers, but only one of them is "the Lord God" which in Hebrew would be either "YHWH Elohim" or "Adonai YHWH". "YHWH Elohim" is Yeshua's Father. "YHWH Elohim" is the ultimate "Lord" who made Yeshua to be our "Lord" (Acts 2:36).
In Revelation Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He is exalted above every living thing....."Jesus being King of kings and Lord of lords means that there is no higher authority. His reign over all things is absolute and inviolable. God raised Him from the dead and placed Him over all things, “far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all” (Ephesians 1:21–23)". What does it mean that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords?I didn't realize I did not reply to this. There are two "Lords" that are over believers, but only one of them is "the Lord God" which in Hebrew would be either "YHWH Elohim" or "Adonai YHWH". "YHWH Elohim" is Yeshua's Father. "YHWH Elohim" is the ultimate "Lord" who made Yeshua to be our "Lord" (Acts 2:36).